Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 17, 2018 Hopefully you are right and gets them to the Super Bowl where they hopefully win... So, you're an Atlanta Braves fan and a Pats fan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted December 17, 2018 So, you're an Atlanta Braves fan and a Pats fan? I hate the Pats... I just hate the Steelers more and I want them to get to six Super Bowl titles so the Steeler fans can quit with the "we have six titles" crap... It doesn't have to be the Patriots, the 49ers and Cowboys would work as well... Though they all forget that there were NFL titles before the Super Bowl... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted December 17, 2018 parrot, on 17 Dec 2018 - 09:54 AM, said: Followed closely by Jameis Winston and Ryan Fitzpatrick. So if you're saying it's a meaningless stat that you may not want your QB to rank highly in we're in total agreement. No single stat is a magic bullet. I was just using it to point out that Tom Brady is not throwing the ball very far downfield anymore. You tried to use the wrong stat to prove that he was throwing the ball downfield and I simply provided the correct stat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 489 Posted December 17, 2018 Although he did a kick a$$ job of kicking father time in the balls. Father always wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted December 17, 2018 No single stat is a magic bullet. I was just using it to point out that Tom Brady is not throwing the ball very far downfield anymore. You tried to use the wrong stat to prove that he was throwing the ball downfield and I simply provided the correct stat. I never claimed he was "throwing the ball downfield" at least not in any way that was out of the norm. He's always been pretty middle of the pack that way. But I don't know what you mean by "Tom Brady is not throwing the ball very far downfield anymore." His career average Y/A is 7.5 and he's been above that number the last four seasons. His last 3 seasons he has averaged 8 and hasn't been below his career average for 4 years. And just for reference most of the more successful QBs of recent history - Manning, Brees, Ryan, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, all fall in that 7.5 - 8.0 Y/A window career-wise. It's almost like you don't want your QB chucking the ball 20 yards downfield every other play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,877 Posted December 17, 2018 Eagles broke Tommy Pigtails, and edjr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted December 17, 2018 I never claimed he was "throwing the ball downfield" at least not in any way that was out of the norm. He's always been pretty middle of the pack that way. But I don't know what you mean by "Tom Brady is not throwing the ball very far downfield anymore." His career average Y/A is 7.5 and he's been above that number the last four seasons. His last 3 seasons he has averaged 8 and hasn't been below his career average for 4 years. And just for reference most of the more successful QBs of recent history - Manning, Brees, Ryan, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, all fall in that 7.5 - 8.0 Y/A window career-wise. It's almost like you don't want your QB chucking the ball 20 yards downfield every other play. You are talking yards per attempt, that does not justify throwing the ball down the field. Dumping the ball off to James White gets you 8.6 yards per attempt which inflates his total even though it is most likely a very short throw. The stat i linked to shows yards that a ball travels through the air, not yards per attempt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 17, 2018 What's Bradys wins stat comparison? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted December 17, 2018 What's Bradys wins stat comparison? Extremely good, but we are not talking about that. You patriot fans are some of the most defensive ever. God forbid someone mentions something that is not even all that negative about your golden boy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 17, 2018 Extremely good, but we are not talking about that. You patriot fans are some of the most defensive ever. God forbid someone mentions something that is not even all that negative about your golden boy. hows that defensive It's the most important stat there is. Sounds like you're the defensive one. Tilt! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,031 Posted December 17, 2018 Worst part is he's seeing ghosts in the pocket. He knows the end is near and isn't willing to take hits for his douche head coach that tried to trade him and gronk. Looks like Belichick was right again, At least a couple of those throws at the end we're off because he was more concerned about getting down and not taking a hit than he was with completing the pass. I guess when you're trying to launch a diet that supposed to keep people healthy, you can't risk that by taking hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 748 Posted December 17, 2018 Brady's passer rankings the last three years:2016: 2nd2017: 3rd2018: 15thYards per attempt?2016: 2nd2017: 4th2018: 23rdCompletion percentage?2016: 5th2017: 5th2018: 12thTouchdown percentage?2016: 3rd2017: 5th2018: 8thINT percentage?2016: 1st2017: 3rd2018: 26thYards per completion?2016: 6th2017: 8th2018: 28thPassing yards? 2016: 4th2017: 1st2018: 20thWinning percentage?2016: .9162017: .8122018: .600 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted December 17, 2018 I weigh wins very heavily. It’s one of my main arguments when debating Favres legacy. 16 games and 10 win lock for an absurd amount of years. So even in Brady’s decline, as long as he’s still leading his team to wins, he should be out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted December 17, 2018 You are talking yards per attempt, that does not justify throwing the ball down the field. Dumping the ball off to James White gets you 8.6 yards per attempt which inflates his total even though it is most likely a very short throw. The stat i linked to shows yards that a ball travels through the air, not yards per attempt. I understand what yards per attempt shows, I also understand that your stat is three years old so it's not much good for career trends, like when you claim Brady isn't "throwing the ball very far downfield anymore". But going by your pet stat; Brady was twelfth in Intended Air Yards last year and that was with guys like Stanton, Kizer, Savage, Garoppolo, and Wentz in front of him. So he was comfortably top 10 among full time starters and the only big name guys ahead of him were Wilson and Roethlisberger. Brees was dead focking last. Brady also led the league in yards, BTW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted December 17, 2018 Extremely good, but we are not talking about that. You patriot fans are some of the most defensive ever. God forbid someone mentions something that is not even all that negative about your golden boy. Understand the context and history; for years RLLD has been saying how Brady plays in a "high school offense" where all he does is throw check-downs, and talks about how any QB could do what he does. It's a dumb, false claim not borne out by any of the numbers, as I hope you recognize. Regardless, if pointing out dumb, false claims that people make repeatedly makes me "defensive", I'm okay with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted December 17, 2018 parrot, on 17 Dec 2018 - 1:04 PM, said: I understand what yards per attempt shows, I also understand that your stat is three years old so it's not much good for career trends, like when you claim Brady isn't "throwing the ball very far downfield anymore". But going by your pet stat; last year Brady was twelfth in Intended Air Yards last year and that was with guys like Stanton, Kizer, Savage, Garoppolo, and Wentz in front of him. So he was comfortably top 10 among full time starters and the only big name guys ahead of him were Wilson and Roethlisberger. Brees was dead focking last. Brady also led the league in yards, BTW. I was shocked that Brees was so far down the list, and if Brady was top 10 last year in that stat then he probably still does chuck the ball down the field more than what people think. I am not attacking Brady and in fact my first post only mentioned Josh Allen and what I believed to be the correct stat for your argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted December 17, 2018 I was shocked that Brees was so far down the list, and if Brady was top 10 last year in that stat then he probably still does chuck the ball down the field more than what people think. I am not attacking Brady and in fact my first post only mentioned Josh Allen and what I believed to be the correct stat for your argument. I hate the geek club, why did i get dragged into a pissing match i care nothing about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted December 17, 2018 I was shocked that Brees was so far down the list, and if Brady was top 10 last year in that stat then he probably still does chuck the ball down the field more than what people think. I am not... I have watched some of his possessions in various games and a lot of his passes are bubble screen this, quick slant that, etc... It seems a lot of the NFL is like that now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted December 17, 2018 Eagles broke Tommy Pigtails, and edjr. Troll gonna troll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted December 17, 2018 2008: Brady is done! 2009: It's the end for Brady Belichick 2010: Pats are done! 2011: Brady is done! 2012: Pats Dynasty is over! 2013: Brady is Done! 2014: Brady is done! 2015: Pats are done! 2016: Brady is Done! 2017: Brady is Done! 2018: Brady is Done! 2019: Brady is Done! 2020: Brady is Done! See, I called it! I KNEW it! I told ya!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,064 Posted December 18, 2018 I just remarked that his final throws werent near anywhere anyone could catch it. His touch was terribad when he needed it the most Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 18, 2018 I remember everyone was bummed out when Montana retired. I don't think it will be the same for Brady. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted December 18, 2018 I remember everyone was bummed out when Montana retired. I don't think it will be the same for Brady. There are some real good young QBs in the AFC. They should easily fill the void Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 18, 2018 There are some real good young QBs in the AFC. They should easily fill the void That's not what I'm talking about. There was a sentimental feeling when Montana left. Elway too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 18, 2018 I remember everyone was bummed out when Montana retired. I don't think it will be the same for Brady.yeah Montana didnt ruin as many hopes for so many fans as long as Brady did. Sour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 18, 2018 yeah Montana didnt ruin as many hopes for so many fans as long as Brady did. Sour That's not it. Montana and Elway ruined plenty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 518 Posted December 18, 2018 Of course people will be bummed when Brady retires. Love or hate the Pats, it's exciting watching greatness. Who knows when we will ever see a dynasty like this again. It's almost impossible in today's NFL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted December 18, 2018 That's not what I'm talking about. There was a sentimental feeling when Montana left. Elway too. Montana more than Elway. I liked Montana, but didnt like horse face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,064 Posted December 18, 2018 Montana and elway were more fan friendly and not freaks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 18, 2018 That's not it. Montana and Elway ruined plenty.not as long its bradys longevity and 9 yes focking 9 super bowl appearances that has crushed many fans..especially in the AFC. I can understand the bitter envy that permeates the board. Has to suck for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 18, 2018 Of course people will be bummed when Brady retires. Love or hate the Pats, it's exciting watching greatness. Who knows when we will ever see a dynasty like this again. It's almost impossible in today's NFL I agree. The Pats and Brady brought the excitement. I'm just saying that he won't be thought of like Montana and Elway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 18, 2018 I agree. The Pats and Brady brought the excitement. I'm just saying that he won't be thought of like Montana and Elway.ofcourse not, he's well above them on the greatest totem pole now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 18, 2018 ofcourse not, he's well above them on the greatest totem pole now. Montana was the greatest when he left and he was revered Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 18, 2018 Montana was the greatest when he left and he was revereddifferent timesWith the advent of social media, jealousy and envy have replaced common sense and respect for greatness. Different worlds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,877 Posted December 18, 2018 Brady is a weirdo cheater. Thats why everybody loves Big Dik Nick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 18, 2018 Brady is a weirdo cheater. Thats why everybody loves Big Dik Nick. exhibit A1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,031 Posted December 18, 2018 As long as Belichick and dante scarnecchia stick around the dynasty will continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 18, 2018 exhibit A1 Yup. So played out too. Forced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 18, 2018 Yup. So played out too. Forced.Brady threw for 505 yard, 3 TDs 0 interceptions and a 115 qb rating in that game. Only clueless idiots would think Brady "lost" that game. You can tell when guys know nothing of the game and werent exposed to it until late in adulthood. You know, the comic book type. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 18, 2018 Brady threw for 505 yard, 3 TDs 0 interceptions and a 115 qb rating in that game. Only clueless idiots would think Brady "lost" that game. You can tell when guys know nothing of the game and werent exposed to it until late in adulthood. You know, the comic book type. And also the try hard, I'll be a fan to fit in type. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites