Lawsuit alleged 100,000 non-citizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/26/lawsuit-100000-noncitizens-registered-vote-pa/

 

 

More than 100,000 noncitizens are registered to vote in Pennsylvania alone, according to testimony submitted Monday in a lawsuit demanding the state come clean about the extent of its problems.

 

The Public Interest Legal Foundation, which has identified similar noncitizen voting problems in studies of Virginia and New Jersey, said Pennsylvania officials have admitted noncitizens have been registering and voting in the state “for decades.”

 

But state officials have stonewalled PILF requests for access to the data that could expose the problem, the group says in a lawsuit filed in federal court in Harrisburg.

 

“For months, Pennsylvania bureaucrats have concealed facts about noncitizens registering and voting — that ends today,” PILF President and General Counsel J. Christian Adams said.

 

He said Pennsylvania had already admitted to a “glitch” dating back to the 1990s that had allowed noncitizens applying to renew driver’s licenses to be offered the chance to register to vote. Mr. Adams said he now wants to find out how bad the problem is overall.

 

Pennsylvania officials wouldn’t respond to the lawsuit, nor to the 100,000 noncitizen number.

 

Officials blaming this on a glitch.

 

[MDC 5,874]

That explains how Trump won.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

That explains how Trump won by only several thousand votes.

 

[Mike Honcho 3,997]

U.S News & World Report Counterpoint

 

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Pennsylvania election officials said Wednesday that there is no evidence to back up a claim that more than 100,000 noncitizen immigrants had been registered to vote in the state, responding to a conservative group's lawsuit in federal court.

 

The Department of State, in a statement to The Associated Press, said it is reviewing data and that the figure "is not confirmed by any substantive analysis by the Department. It is not a credible figure and there is no reason to believe it to be accurate."

 

The lawsuit cites the December testimony of a Republican election official from Philadelphia, who told a state Senate committee that the Department of State had found more than 100,000 matches when comparing driver's license numbers with noncitizens' designations to voter records with driver's license numbers.

 

The Philadelphia election official, Al Schmidt, went on to tell the committee that that the actual number of noncitizens registered to vote may be lower, testimony the lawsuit did not cite.

 

"Because some people have become citizens along way, or maybe they got a driver's license number and then some months later became a citizen and then registered to vote," Schmidt told the committee. "But we're not talking about an insignificant number here. We're talking about a potentially very significant number of thousands and tens of thousands."

 

A similar process played out in Florida several years ago, amid a flurry of lawsuits objecting to a potential purge of voter rolls that could sweep out eligible voters. In a search for noncitizen immigrants, state officials initially found 180,000 people suspected of being ineligible to vote when comparing databases of registered voters and driver's licenses.

 

Florida officials later assembled a purge list of more than 2,600 names in 2012. But it was beset by inaccuracies and a revised list of 198 names of possible noncitizens was produced through the use of a federal Homeland Security Department citizenship database.

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

U.S News & World Report Counterpoint

 

The Philadelphia election official, Al Schmidt, went on to tell the committee that that the actual number of noncitizens registered to vote may be lower,

 

Let's believe an election official after all, he gets like 125% voter participation in some areas of Philly.

 

Sounds like we need to get a look at the books then. Also, a national Voter ID card.

[IGotWorms 3,297]

You can allege pretty much anything you want in a lawsuit. Whether you can prove it is an entirely separate issue

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

You can allege pretty much anything you want in a lawsuit. Whether you can prove it is an entirely separate issue

 

The states would actually have to produce the required documentation to investigate. That's been a problem with several states. Care to guess which color (blue or red) those states are?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/370359-house-dems-ask-dhs-for-details-of-voter-fraud-investigation

 

Trump's commission was shutdown but DHS was tasked with looking into it. For some reason House Dems want to know the details of what they're looking at. If there's nothing to hide/lose, why the concern?

[IGotWorms 3,297]

 

The states would actually have to produce the required documentation to investigate. That's been a problem with several states. Care to guess which color (blue or red) those states are?

another allegation that must be proven. You cant believe everything you read just because it conforms to some preexisting agenda or belief you hold

[drobeski 3,061]

That explains how Trump won.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

another allegation that must be proven. You cant believe everything you read just because it conforms to some preexisting agenda or belief you hold

 

Google states that won't cooperate with Election Commission. That's a fact.

 

But hopefully the DHS will get to the bottom of it. Hopefully, it doesn't disenfranchise those dead people and illegal aliens from voting.

[lickin_starfish 1,477]

another allegation that must be proven. You cant believe everything you read just because it conforms to some preexisting agenda or belief you hold

You mean like the Trump/Russia allegations that have yet to be proven, and your preexisting notion that collusion exists?

[Mike Honcho 3,997]

 

Let's believe an election official after all, he gets like 125% voter participation in some areas of Philly.

 

Sounds like we need to get a look at the books then. Also, a national Voter ID card.

 

You mean the election official that PILF quoted as it's source for the lawsuit.

[Mungwater 588]

You can allege pretty much anything you want in a lawsuit. Whether you can prove it is an entirely separate issue

Thats what I was thinking, hell, theres a lady suing a state because they covered up Bigfoot information

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

You mean the election official that PILF quoted as it's source for the lawsuit.

 

Fair point and I stand corrected. However..........when that official says 'it could be lower' that infers it could be higher too.

 

So there is a problem that needs to be looked into, right?

[IGotWorms 3,297]

You mean like the Trump/Russia allegations that have yet to be proven, and your preexisting notion that collusion exists?

Whatre you talking about? Ive said time and again that you have to let the investigation play out. Both sides

[IGotWorms 3,297]

Thats what I was thinking, hell, theres a lady suing a state because they covered up Bigfoot information

If it was on infowars these fellas would take it as gospel.

[Baker Boy 1,469]

San Francisco Begins Registering Illegal Aliens To Vote

 

The Department of Elections in San Francisco on Monday issued voter registration for illegal aliens to allow them to vote for members of the city's Board of Education in the Nov. 6 election.

 

Becoming California's first city to allow non-American citizens to vote in local elections, Supervisor Norman Yee said, "We want to give immigrants the right to vote."

 

[For the record, "immigrants" are people who come to America through the legal process, while "illegal aliens" sneak into the country.]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/33172/san-francisco-begins-registering-illegal-aliens-joseph-curl

[Mr. Hand 482]

San Francisco Begins Registering Illegal Aliens To VoteThe Department of Elections in San Francisco on Monday issued voter registration for illegal aliens to allow them to vote for members of the city's Board of Education in the Nov. 6 election.Becoming California's first city to allow non-American citizens to vote in local elections, Supervisor Norman Yee said, "We want to give immigrants the right to vote."[For the record, "immigrants" are people who come to America through the legal process, while "illegal aliens" sneak into the country.]https://www.dailywire.com/news/33172/san-francisco-begins-registering-illegal-aliens-joseph-curl

That’s so messed up

[Sho Nuff 719]

If they pay local taxes...should they have a voice in representation?

[Djgb13 2,338]

If they pay local taxes...should they have a voice in representation?

No they shouldnt. Not in the least. Thats citizens that do that. Not illegals.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,552]

If they pay local taxes...should they have a voice in representation?

How do you just pay "local" taxes? Every paycheck I ever got had federal, state and city taken out, along with fica. Is there some special pay system where you only pay the "local" taxes? Unless you're just talking about sales tax, and if you are , you're a fockin moron.

[Mr. Hand 482]

If they pay local taxes...should they have a voice in representation?

What’s wrong with you?

[Reality 2,710]

If they pay local taxes...should they have a voice in representation?

Jesus Christ...

 

 

You people gotta quit arguing with this dude, this is the kind of sh!t bouncing around in his head.

[drobeski 3,061]

If they pay local taxes...should they have a voice in representation?

no they shouldn't

[Fireballer 2,367]

If they pay local taxes...should they have a voice in representation?

This has to be a poor attempt at trolling

[jerryskids 5,151]

This is a step to them voting in national elections, it's the only chance the dems have at this point.

 

Luckily SCOTUS will shoot it down, at least on the national level.

[drobeski 3,061]

How do you just pay "local" taxes? Every paycheck I ever got had federal, state and city taken out, along with fica. Is there some special pay system where you only pay the "local" taxes? Unless you're just talking about sales tax, and if you are , you're a fockin moron.

I think he's talking sales tax and he's not just a moron he's a hate america, america last douche bag.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

This is a step to them voting in national elections, it's the only chance the dems have at this point.

 

Luckily SCOTUS will shoot it down, at least on the national level.

Yeah. More Americans voted for a republican than a democrat what, one time since Clinton took office?

 

If it werent for gerrymandering and the archaic electoral college giving dispoportionate weight to bumfock, the Republican Party wouldnt exist.

[Mr. Hand 482]

Yeah. More Americans voted for a republican than a democrat what, one time since Clinton took office?

If it werent for gerrymandering and the archaic electoral college giving dispoportionate weight to bumfock, the Republican Party wouldnt exist.

Oh..that’s crap.

[jerryskids 5,151]

Yeah. More Americans voted for a republican than a democrat what, one time since Clinton took office?

 

If it werent for gerrymandering and the archaic electoral college giving dispoportionate weight to bumfock, the Republican Party wouldnt exist.

The have nots will always outnumber the haves. The Dems just want to increase that ratio.

[Reality 2,710]

Yeah. More Americans voted for a republican than a democrat what, one time since Clinton took office?

 

If it werent for gerrymandering and the archaic electoral college giving dispoportionate weight to bumfock, the Republican Party wouldnt exist.

If total votes mattered the Republicans would have ran a race with that in mind. The electoral college is what matters, 51 individual races. Trump won that in a focking beat down.

 

HTH

 

It's beyond stupid that people bring up total vote as some sort of indication that Trump isn't legit.

 

When total vote matters, the strategy will change.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

If total votes mattered the Republicans would have ran a race with that in mind. The electoral college is what matters, 51 individual races. Trump won that in a focking beat down.

 

HTH

 

It's beyond stupid that people bring up total vote as some sort of indication that Trump isn't legit.

 

When total vote matters, the strategy will change.

Didnt say he wasnt legit. The rules are the rules, as undemocratic as they may be.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,552]

Didnt say he wasnt legit. The rules are the rules, as undemocratic as they may be.

Perhaps you shouid concern yourself with a democracy then. Because the United States isn't one.

[jerryskids 5,151]

Didnt say he wasnt legit. The rules are the rules, as undemocratic as they may be.

C'mon man, you are better than this.

[Sho Nuff 719]

No they shouldnt. Not in the least. Thats citizens that do that. Not illegals.

Immigrants I mean...legal immigrants.

[Baker Boy 1,469]

Eventually they will vote in people that will make Spanish the primary language. Illegals can eventually own the SF educational system and they should all flock there with that purpose in mind.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Eventually they will vote in people that will make Spanish the primary language. Illegals can eventually own the SF educational system and they should all flock there with that purpose in mind.

[SenatorRock 708]

Yeah. More Americans voted for a republican than a democrat what, one time since Clinton took office?

 

If it werent for gerrymandering and the archaic electoral college giving dispoportionate weight to bumfock, the Republican Party wouldnt exist.

 

Says the guy who gave up his home country and moved to a communist country.

 

Do they even have elections over there?

 

Are you allowed to vote in those elections?

[MDC 5,874]

The have nots will always outnumber the haves. The Dems just want to increase that ratio.

I dont think this is true, but the Dems completely lack any coherent immigration policy other than whining about detention.

 

I generally support making legal immigration easier and some form of amnesty for illegals who have been here productively working with no criminal record. The other half of it is hammering employers of illegals and closing down loopholes that allow businesses to unnecessarily bring in workers on visas. I also would support tariffs on US businesses that offshore jobs although I dont hear much about that now that the election is over.

 

How hard is it to adopt this platform? Both sides are nuts on this issue.