Derrick Henry...expectations?

[big D 0]

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on him for this season. Word out of camp is he is looking good while Murray nurses a hammy. In my league, I have the opportunity to keep him at the cost of the 79th overall pick (pick 7, 12 teams, 7th round). Everywhere i look it seems like this isn't a good idea as he is roughly in the 90-100 best overall player range.

[kilroy69 993]

His value depends entirely on when murry breaks down and gameflow. The shhit of it is he's a beast. Like a beasstttttt. When he gets his shot he is gonna break people. But murry has turned out to be a very stable back despite concerns.

[Ray_T 587]

His value depends entirely on when murry breaks down and gameflow. The shhit of it is he's a beast. Like a beasstttttt. When he gets his shot he is gonna break people. But murry has turned out to be a very stable back despite concerns.

very true. i own Murray in one of my leagues and I'm looking to acquire Henry if I can get him.

 

dude who owns him now isnt selling and looks like he wants to make him one of his keepers. That may be overstating his value, but his team isnt competitive right now anyways, it may work out for him if he can grab one or two other legit keepers in this draft and play for next year.

[stonewall 647]

I will own him again this year in redrafts for the same reason I drafted/held him last season:

 

I believe he becomes a top-5 back when/if the Murray injury happens.

 

That's the kind of gold I like sitting on my bench.

[gpann101 32]

Top 3 back for many years to come

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 266]

would rather have this kid than Zeke, he will deliver major coin and 'chips to all who are sagacious enough to procure.

 

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[IGotWorms 3,302]

would rather have this kid than Zeke, he will deliver major coin and 'chips to all who are sagacious enough to procure.

 

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Welcome back weepers

[vuduchile 1,940]

I had Murray last year and was never able to pry Henry away from his owner.

 

Henry saw a lot more action as the season went on, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him splitting time with Murray right off the bat. Maybe 65/35.

 

I'd like to have them both, as I can see a 2009 DeAngelo/Stewart scenario developing.

[Oriole8159 86]

I had Murray last year and was never able to pry Henry away from his owner.

 

Henry saw a lot more action as the season went on, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him splitting time with Murray right off the bat. Maybe 65/35.

 

I'd like to have them both, as I can see a 2009 DeAngelo/Stewart scenario developing.

 

I owned both last year, and the worst was that Henry started to steal goal line looks at the end of the season.

I lost my semifinal game because it was Henry, not Murray, that got the 1 yd and 4 yd TD runs late in the game.

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 266]

Welcome back weepers

good to be back dispensing the golden wisdom again, mi Lithuanian amigo

 

form followers, hacks, and cheatsheet fools will be gobbling DeMarco up - while people interested in embarrassing their league mates, and walking away with gratuitous financial rewards, will be scooping Henry E.V.E.R.Y.W.H.E.R.E.

 

oh, the smell of yet another successful fantasy season is wafting my way ...

 

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[TBayXXXVII 2,107]

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on him for this season. Word out of camp is he is looking good while Murray nurses a hammy. In my league, I have the opportunity to keep him at the cost of the 79th overall pick (pick 7, 12 teams, 7th round). Everywhere i look it seems like this isn't a good idea as he is roughly in the 90-100 best overall player range.

 

Very little to none. I won't be drafting (or buying), him at all in any league... even if I draft Murray.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

Unless Murray goes down, I don't see the Titan's having much incentive to give Henry a big role this year. Murray is 29 & in a contract year and likely done with them after this year. Why shorten the career of your future star back by 150 caries if you don't need to? Also, there's a history of Alabama backs coming in with a ton of hype only to disappoint. As a Murray owner and in a keeper league, he'll be on my draft board, but I won't be reaching for him.

[Ray_T 587]

Unless Murray goes down, I don't see the Titan's having much incentive to give Henry a big role this year. Murray is 29 & in a contract year and likely done with them after this year. Why shorten the career of your future star back by 150 caries if you don't need to? Also, there's a history of Alabama backs coming in with a ton of hype only to disappoint. As a Murray owner and in a keeper league, he'll be on my draft board, but I won't be reaching for him.

I think this is a correct analysis.

 

also, Murray is a better pass catching back, and as long as this remains the case, He is the better back. (provided he remains healthy)

[kilroy69 993]

Unless Murray goes down, I don't see the Titan's having much incentive to give Henry a big role this year. Murray is 29 & in a contract year and likely done with them after this year. Why shorten the career of your future star back by 150 caries if you don't need to? Also, there's a history of Alabama backs coming in with a ton of hype only to disappoint. As a Murray owner and in a keeper league, he'll be on my draft board, but I won't be reaching for him.

yeah. Henry is not Trent Richardson in any way. He is built to beat where Richardson was built to eat.

[Oriole8159 86]

yeah. Henry is not Trent Richardson in any way. He is built to beat where Richardson was built to eat.

It's not just Richardson. It's also...

 

Eddie Lacy

TJ Yeldon

Mark Ingram (not a bust, but still underperformed considering hype)

Kenyan Drake (undetermined still, but had an opportunity to seize the job last year in Miami when Ajayi was in the dog house, and blew it.)

 

now I like Henry so I'll be fair in my opinion, but the guy's point is true. AL RBs have left alot to be desired.

[kilroy69 993]

It's not just Richardson. It's also...

 

Eddie Lacy

TJ Yeldon

Mark Ingram (not a bust, but still underperformed considering hype)

Kenyan Drake (undetermined still, but had an opportunity to seize the job last year in Miami when Ajayi was in the dog house, and blew it.)

 

now I like Henry so I'll be fair in my opinion, but the guy's point is true. AL RBs have left alot to be desired.

In his first 2 years in the league Lacy had 2 1k seasons and avgd 10 tds a year. That is pretty decent production.

Yeldon was never expected to do anything ever.

Ingram is stuck in a system that does not play to his strength and if he were on ANY other team would be putting up better stats.

Drake...again..not expected to do anything.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

In his first 2 years in the league Lacy had 2 1k seasons and avgd 10 tds a year. That is pretty decent production.

Yeldon was never expected to do anything ever.

Ingram is stuck in a system that does not play to his strength and if he were on ANY other team would be putting up better stats.

Drake...again..not expected to do anything.

Yeldon was drafted in the second round and Drake in the third, maybe not first round expectations, but still high picks for a running back. Yeldon was suppose to take the job from Ivory, he didn't. Considering Ajayi was drafted in the fifth I'd say Drake in the third has been a disappointment.

Sure, Lacy had a couple good years in a favorable system that just converted a wide receiver to be his replacement.

What is Ingram's strength? He isn't really a power back, not really fast, isn't a great receiver. I could name a lot of places Ingram would be worse off. The guy that they hired off the street two years ago, that split reps with him, is now a back up on a bottom five team. Ingram's adequate in a lot of areas, but fails to excel in any of them.

 

Henry could be different, especially considering his line is better than the others, but I think there's good reason to be hesitant to name Henry a fantasy savior if given a full workload.

 

Alabama running backs are the equivalent to air raid QB's. It's easy to run through a hole that's two yards wide, and look powerful and shifty when you have a seven yard head start.

[kilroy69 993]

Lacy right out of college is what I would say he's close to. He's a beast of a player.

 

Scratch that. I hate Henry. He sucks. No one should pick that scrub. Ever.

[Ray_T 587]

Yeldon was drafted in the second round and Drake in the third, maybe not first round expectations, but still high picks for a running back. Yeldon was suppose to take the job from Ivory, he didn't. Considering Ajayi was drafted in the fifth I'd say Drake in the third has been a disappointment.

Sure, Lacy had a couple good years in a favorable system that just converted a wide receiver to be his replacement.

What is Ingram's strength? He isn't really a power back, not really fast, isn't a great receiver. I could name a lot of places Ingram would be worse off. The guy that they hired off the street two years ago, that split reps with him, is now a back up on a bottom five team. Ingram's adequate in a lot of areas, but fails to excel in any of them.

 

Henry could be different, especially considering his line is better than the others, but I think there's good reason to be hesitant to name Henry a fantasy savior if given a full workload.

 

Alabama running backs are the equivalent to air raid QB's. It's easy to run through a hole that's two yards wide, and look powerful and shifty when you have a seven yard head start.

you know, everyone was down on Yeldon, but in his rookie year he got 740 yards rushing and 279 yards receiving in 12 games played.

 

That's on pace for just a shade under 1000 yards rushing and just under 400 yards receiving if projected to a 16 game season.

 

That's better than Crowell did last year and everyone is buying in on him this year hoping he will have that kind of season.

 

I realize a RB is more than just the stats he gets, but I truly didnt think Yeldon was THAT bad. Especially when you consider the line he ran behind wasnt great.

 

he's certainly no red zone monster, but he can do everything else reasonably well.

 

It would not surprise me if he went elsewhere and had some success after his rookie contract is finished. I think the kid just needs a better situation and a good coach.

[Smileseers 54]

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on him for this season. Word out of camp is he is looking good while Murray nurses a hammy. In my league, I have the opportunity to keep him at the cost of the 79th overall pick (pick 7, 12 teams, 7th round). Everywhere i look it seems like this isn't a good idea as he is roughly in the 90-100 best overall player range.

FFToday has his average draft position at 6.11. Perhaps everywhere you are looking has him ranked for redrafts?? In keeper leagues he is worth a 7 pick imo.

[tanatastic 2,061]

People saying Lacy sucks need to watch more football and read less end of year stats. Last year he ran at 5.1ypc, just didn't get enough touches. Every time he ran it was impressive, then they would take him out or just throw every down. McCarthy is quietly the most overrated coach in the league and their play calling has been horrendous.

 

Even megabust 2015 Buffet table Lacy ran at 4.1ypc, better than both of Gordon's seasons.

[Ray_T 587]

People saying Lacy sucks need to watch more football and read less end of year stats. Last year he ran at 5.1ypc, just didn't get enough touches. Every time he ran it was impressive, then they would take him out or just throw every down. McCarthy is quietly the most overrated coach in the league and their play calling has been horrendous.

 

Even megabust 2015 Buffet table Lacy ran at 4.1ypc, better than both of Gordon's seasons.

it's tough to look good as a runner when you are in a pass happy offense. This is the type of offense he should have been in from day one.

 

If he can keep the weight off, it will reduce his risk of injury and will help his speed a bit too. Hopefully he can do what he needs to to get there.

[Mr Neil 63]

I'm hoping to get him in 5th round of keeper league. Some say that is too early but everyone forgets demarco contract year this year meaning he will walk next year which means Henry will be a late first round maybe early second round pick then. The hype train will be out of control by this time next year when he is named starter

[Oriole8159 86]

you know, everyone was down on Yeldon, but in his rookie year he got 740 yards rushing and 279 yards receiving in 12 games played.

 

That's on pace for just a shade under 1000 yards rushing and just under 400 yards receiving if projected to a 16 game season.

 

That's better than Crowell did last year and everyone is buying in on him this year hoping he will have that kind of season.

 

I realize a RB is more than just the stats he gets, but I truly didnt think Yeldon was THAT bad. Especially when you consider the line he ran behind wasnt great.

 

he's certainly no red zone monster, but he can do everything else reasonably well.

 

It would not surprise me if he went elsewhere and had some success after his rookie contract is finished. I think the kid just needs a better situation and a good coach.

 

I had Yeldon that rookie year you're referring to, and he did from sheer volume alone, give me bare minimum what I needed the first few weeks to bridge my team until Gurley and Foster got back healthy.

But Yeldon looked just awful. He had no vision, no ability to break tackles, and wasn't good at the goal line even though Jax had a pretty solid offense that year.

 

Just goes to show you that any RB can put up some "production" if given guaranteed touches, but that doesn't mean that they're a good player.

 

And Yeldon was actually drafted in his year before Henry was drafted in his year, so for the guy that said that Yeldon didn't come in with high expectations, that's crap.

[Oriole8159 86]

In his first 2 years in the league Lacy had 2 1k seasons and avgd 10 tds a year. That is pretty decent production.

Yeldon was never expected to do anything ever.

Ingram is stuck in a system that does not play to his strength and if he were on ANY other team would be putting up better stats.

Drake...again..not expected to do anything.

 

Lacy came in with much bigger expectations than that, so those pedestrian fantasy numbers are not that impressive. Mike McCarthy offenses have supported much bigger RB numbers before when they had an actually good player.

 

See my comment above about Yeldon; he absolutely did come in with expectations. Was actually drafted higher in his year than Henry was in his year.

 

And if Ingram is like you say on a team that doesn't feature his strengths, then why did he re-sign there long term? If it really was just bad team, wouldn't a smart GM/coach be able to determine that and offer him more money or a better opportunity elsewhere? That sure didn't happen and he didn't get big money from NO, so wouldn't the more likely thing be that he's similar to Lacy...overdrafted and been shown to just be a pedestrian player?

 

And I will acknowledge that Drake had the least expectations of this group, but he did have a wide open opportunity last year to steal this job and blew it. Don't forget that before Ajayi busted out, he was majorly in the doghouse and Drake was gift wrapped an opportunity to win the starting job. There's plenty of 3rd rd RBs that would have seized that job.

 

So it's not that AL RBs are busts, just that they've been shown to probably be overdrafted based on their college production.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

People saying Lacy sucks need to watch more football and read less end of year stats. Last year he ran at 5.1ypc, just didn't get enough touches. Every time he ran it was impressive, then they would take him out or just throw every down. McCarthy is quietly the most overrated coach in the league and their play calling has been horrendous.

 

Even megabust 2015 Buffet table Lacy ran at 4.1ypc, better than both of Gordon's seasons.

I lived in Wisco for four years and married into a Packer family, I have seen plenty of that guy. There isn't a single back that has been more hit and miss year to year and even game to game, and that's because physically he has everything, but mentally the guy checks in and out. On a good day and year, he looks like a great back. I don't know if it's a lack of interest, or what, but in a bad year or game, he looks awful. Almost looks like he just doesn't care, and he runs like it. His weight issues reflect this mentality. His contract even reflects this. He's good enough to be signed, but he didn't have teams come beating down the door. When he was signed, Seattle had to make sure he was committed to playing. Yes, McCarthy sucks as a coach, anyone not a Packers fan can see that, and it may have played a role in his mentality.

[shutdown 40]

Bama RB's are usually running behind an NFL o-line in college so it's really hard to evaluate them based on their college numbers.

 

One thing I noticed about Henry when he played Clemson in the 2016 national championship was the he didn't move laterally all that well. Clemson, with 3 future NFL players on their front 4, forced him to move laterally in the backfield and outside of 2 long runs where he got through the line untouched he was largely held in check. But he seemed to me to accelerate slowly and not move laterally well.

 

By contrast Lacy actually moves laterally pretty well for a large back and can make tacklers miss in the backfield if blocking breaks down.

 

Now the Tennessee o-line is pretty good and Mariotta is a good enough QB to keep defenses honest so I think any back in that scheme will be successful but if I was truly comparing talent to talent, Lacy is a better back.

[JakeTrain72 0]

In redraft he's a solid 6th rounder. Maybe 5th in deep leagues. Dynasty I might nab him as high as the third.

 

He can be exactly what Murray is now...the titans just don't need him to be that guy just yet.

[weepaws 2,452]

I think in a 12 team league I wouldn't draft him until the 7th round or later

 

Not much ppr value n