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Someone here recommended Evan Engram in the preseason

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Man I drafted him so freaking late it was absurd. TY. What a payoff.

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Evan Engram is going to be a top 3 TE going forward. What a gem, I think he is worth a round 3 in redraft if he keeps it going.

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I told you clowns... nobody wanted to listen

 

Not copy pasting on my phone but the wait on TE thread has it along with the haters

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yeah I'm really kicking myself for not being able to know that their entire wide receiver corp would go down and render him the only remaining viable option.

how could I have screwed up so badly and not see that coming?

 

Engram was a nice sleeper we can all admit, but let's halt the brakes here a bit since alot of outside variables had to happen for this sudden emergence to have taken effect.

 

There's no strategy here that can be used in future drafts; just a right place at the right time break out for a guy with the skills to take advantage.

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This!!!

 

yeah I'm really kicking myself for not being able to know that their entire wide receiver corp would go down and render him the only remaining viable option.

how could I have screwed up so badly and not see that coming?

 

Engram was a nice sleeper we can all admit, but let's halt the brakes here a bit since alot of outside variables had to happen for this sudden emergence to have taken effect.

 

There's no strategy here that can be used in future drafts; just a right place at the right time break out for a guy with the skills to take advantage.

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I avoided him because I thought they had too many receiving options on offense. Was he doing well before all of the injuries? That is the difference between a lucky call and a great call.

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I think most everyone who follows football knew he had a shot at a good season....if he caught a few breaks.

 

Well, the whole NYG receiving corps caught several breaks. He would still be a borderline ff starter without everything that transpired.

 

Ertz was the good call this year......what a value!

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If a player wants to performs, he performs. We could come up with a million reason he does or doesn't.

 

Ertz performs could be because of Spore/Smallwood gone down. Reed and the entire Redskins WR suck for no reason while Cousin is liting it up.

 

A player determine to make the situation works for him, that's what it matters. Great example, Aaron Jones determined this is his time, and he took advantage of that 1 game to showcase his work while the two other RBs in front of him desperately fighting for the same spot.

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This is a byproduct of injuries.

His yardage has remained almost the same. he is averaging 61 yards and 7 targets. They are using him more in the redzone. To say that it is luck is correct.....seeing as how 90% of fantasy football is just that. luck.

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If a player meant to performs, he performs. We could come up with a million reason he does or doesn't.

 

Ertz performs could be because of Spore/Smallwood gone down. Reed and the entire Redskins WR suck for no reason while Cousin is liting it up.

 

A player determine to make the situation works for him, that's what it matters. Great example, Aaron Jones determined this is his time, and he took advantage of that 1 game to showcase his work while the two other RBs in front of him desperately fighting for the same spot.

 

My comment was purely in regards to the "wait on a TE thread" comment, as if there's some strategy that can be taken away from this and applied to future drafts.

 

What you said is all fine and dandy in season, but when people are talking pre-draft strategy there's really nothing that someone can ascertain about any of those examples.

 

*Engram is not this high without multiple injuries happening ahead of him, so you can't account for that when you're drafting. I can't wait on drafting a position and pin my hopes on a late round guy having 3 guys taking targets away from him getting hurt. More times than not you will get burned on that.

*People have wasted mid round picks on Ertz for years, so him finally breaking out this year doesn't mean drafters can expect similar returns for other perennial overdrafters like Ebron for instance.

*You can't learn anything from Aaron Jones in GB, because he wasn't even the obvious handcuff during drafts.

 

I think we're having two different conversations here.

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Waiting late for a te is the key.

 

And I agree.

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My comment was purely in regards to the "wait on a TE thread" comment, as if there's some strategy that can be taken away from this and applied to future drafts.

 

What you said is all fine and dandy in season, but when people are talking pre-draft strategy there's really nothing that someone can ascertain about any of those examples.

 

*Engram is not this high without multiple injuries happening ahead of him, so you can't account for that when you're drafting. I can't wait on drafting a position and pin my hopes on a late round guy having 3 guys taking targets away from him getting hurt. More times than not you will get burned on that.

*People have wasted mid round picks on Ertz for years, so him finally breaking out this year doesn't mean drafters can expect similar returns for other perennial overdrafters like Ebron for instance.

*You can't learn anything from Aaron Jones in GB, because he wasn't even the obvious handcuff during drafts.

 

I think we're having two different conversations here.

The strategy is that is is a physical freak with 4.4 speed and a natural pass catcher. I watched him in preseason and immediately thought he more than looked the part (was a bigger body/better blocker - not an in-your-face liability that i thought he would be)...

 

Having his entire team injured is a help/hurt situation.... I don't think anyone thinks Eli throwing for under 50 yards late into the first half is a boon to anyone's production. I think hes also an impact player with a healthy WR corps.

 

 

:batflipHRtrot:

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Waiting late for a te is the key.

 

And I agree.

 

I don't necessarily agree with that because plenty of people got burned on Jack Doyle, Martellus Bennett and Eric Ebron or waiting on Hunter Henr before giving upy, so the strategy still only works as long as you guess the right guy. Now plenty of people got bailed out because guys like Engram, ASJ, Kittle, Kroft became available on the wire but that's not always something that can be counted on year in and year out...in fact most years for the TE position it can't be counted on.

 

And if you're spending picks late on TEs, it's still picks taken away from other potential breakout positions, so you can miss out on them as well.

 

I think for next year, with there being more options at the position, it will push down the value of the top players like Gronk, Kelce, Ertz but there's still going to always be a point where the value is too good to pass on.

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The strategy is that is is a physical freak with 4.4 speed and a natural pass catcher. I watched him in preseason and immediately thought he more than looked the part (was a bigger body/better blocker - not an in-your-face liability that i thought he would be)...

 

Having his entire team injured is a help/hurt situation.... I don't think anyone thinks Eli throwing for under 50 yards late into the first half is a boon to anyone's production. I think hes also an impact player with a healthy WR corps.

 

 

:batflipHRtrot:

would you draft him this year as your TE1 though even after watching that?

especially considering how many times we've seen physically gifted, highly drafted TEs use year one as a learning time and end up offering no fantasy relevance.

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I drafted him in 5 of 6 leagues. He was my "Mr. Irrelevant" in all 5 (not counting D & K). :headbanger:

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would you draft him this year as your TE1 though even after watching that?

especially considering how many times we've seen physically gifted, highly drafted TEs use year one as a learning time and end up offering no fantasy relevance.

No, long time friend league I waited on HHenry and grabbed Engram last round.

 

NFFC I drafted Ertz and grabbed Engram in the second to last round and have been using him as a flex

 

I just saw him as one of those high upside guys I didnt want to fight over on the WW. And agree with the historical aspect of TEs but I saw Engram as really a WR with a TE designation. My hope being that the blocking aspects were less critical and was pleasantly surprised that he Didnt look scrawny or physically overmatched in preseason while blocking

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I drafted him in 5 of 6 leagues. He was my "Mr. Irrelevant" in all 5 (not counting D & K). :headbanger:

as your only TE though?

 

I have no problem with people taking a flyer on the guy as a 2nd TE stash because its a throw away like any other position at that point, but I'm just curious if people are talking here about him as their only TE and rolling with the guy from Day 1.

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No, long time friend league I waited on HHenry and grabbed Engram last round.

 

NFFC I drafted Ertz and grabbed Engram in the second to last round and have been using him as a flex

 

I just saw him as one of those high upside guys I didnt want to fight over on the WW. And agree with the historical aspect of TEs but I saw Engram as really a WR with a TE designation. My hope being that the blocking aspects were less critical and was pleasantly surprised that he Didnt look scrawny or physically overmatched in preseason while blocking

so it's two picks on the position though so as to hedge your bet? that's where you lose the value I think... most years at least.

 

you can be just as well off taking your TE early (say 3rd/4th rd) and having those two mid/late picks to use on equal upside positions elsewhere.

 

I like Engram too so I'm not going to try and argue that it was a bad pick, but I still don't think from a strategy standpoint it's something that is sustainable year in and year out.

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as your only TE though?

 

I have no problem with people taking a flyer on the guy as a 2nd TE stash because its a throw away like any other position at that point, but I'm just curious if people are talking here about him as their only TE and rolling with the guy from Day 1.

2 of the 5 as my only TE...rolled with him from the go

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2 of the 5 as my only TE...rolled with him from the go

I'll give you props for that, but would you have stayed with him the whole time if OBJ, Shepard, Marshall, Harris all didn't get hurt?

through the first five weeks he was averaging only 5.2 points; that's not exactly a ringing endorsement for that strategy.

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Next year let's hope they get rid of Marshall and get some O-line players.

 

OBJ, Sterling & Engram are plenty.

 

what if someone gets hurt?

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Fix your starting O-line before you fix your backup WRs.

 

you should be a head coach in the nfl. :thumbsup:

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I drafted him and have been switching him and asj off.

I get that there's going to be a lot of these as I will concur the position did become unusually deep this year, but I drafted Gronk in Rd 3 this year and the picks right after went Crowell, Hilton, Mixon, Crabtree, Pryor, Kelce, D Thomas. I think it's pretty clear that other than Crabtree, those have all been colossal busts.

 

There's still value in going TE early is all I'm saying.

Gronk is still the #1 TE, and that includes him missing one week because of injury.

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i was already pleased with Engram before all the WR injuries. He was showing more consistency than my drafted TE, Kyle Rudolph, and continued to do so after I picked him up. I felt that as a rookie he stood a fair chance to grow into even more production as the season wore on and that there would be some games in which OBJ was so heavily blanketed that Eli would be forced to target Evan more.

 

The kicker was that on a Giants team that stood out for sloppiness - whether you want to point to the O-line, Eli, or Brandon Marshall - here was a kid who (at the wk3 mark) was exhibiting consistency and a good catch rate.

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I waited until I was almost out of money in an auction draft in a start 2 tight end requirement league and drafted Charles Clay and Evan Engram. When Clay got hurt I picked up Austin Seferian-Jenkins. So yea, waiting on TE can work out.

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so it's two picks on the position though so as to hedge your bet? that's where you lose the value I think... most years at least.

 

you can be just as well off taking your TE early (say 3rd/4th rd) and having those two mid/late picks to use on equal upside positions elsewhere.

 

I like Engram too so I'm not going to try and argue that it was a bad pick, but I still don't think from a strategy standpoint it's something that is sustainable year in and year out.

Yes, its hedging with a late round upside guy. Winning at FF is about targeting and hitting on players... There is no strategy that is applicable year in year out... Other years there wasn't the same opportunity. Engram isnt a typical 3 down all purpose TE. He was brought in to be an offensive weapon, and is being used as such.

 

I hit on Hunt this year all over the place. But i accept that last year it was Kenneth Dixon who seemed like the Hunt scenario... He ended up getting hurt, suspended, and hasn't got his career on track. There is no magic 8 ball.

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Yes, its hedging with a late round upside guy. Winning at FF is about targeting and hitting on players... There is no strategy that is applicable year in year out... Other years there wasn't the same opportunity. Engram isnt a typical 3 down all purpose TE. He was brought in to be an offensive weapon, and is being used as such.

 

I hit on Hunt this year all over the place. But i accept that last year it was Kenneth Dixon who seemed like the Hunt scenario... He ended up getting hurt, suspended, and hasn't got his career on track. There is no magic 8 ball.

I agree that is the biggest takeaway; that there's no strategy that is applicable year in and year out. I just don't want people thinking that what happened this year for the TE position should be employed as a strategy next year because more times than not you'll be left in a bad spot.

 

I personally happen to like going TE early, assuming value fits of course, and try to fill out the rest of my roster later, and it's almost universally worked for me.

Last year for instance I didn't go RB until the 5th rd and still walked away with J Hill, D Murray, S Ware, D Henry, C Michael, J Howard...all while still having a top 5 TE and the best set of WRs in the league. Had I not gone TE early and instead wanted to use two back end spots to cover the TE position, I wouldn't have done as well.

This year has been a little tougher since there hasn't been many mid to late round studs (we drafted after Ware injury so Hunt went early in the 3rd rd) but have still been able to work the wire well and am still top in points, with Gronk locked in carrying my TE position. As I wrote above, there was a long string of underperforming guys taken immediately around Gronk too, so he was actually safer and I could focus the rest of my draft on trying to find late round WR/RB potential.

 

Both can work, especially this year I'll agree since the position is deep...unless you're the guy that went Martellus/Doyle instead of Ertz/Engram.

 

Good talking with you though.

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Both can work, especially this year I'll agree since the position is deep...unless you're the guy that went Martellus/Doyle instead of Ertz/Engram.

 

Good talking with you though.

Same, we are saying pretty much the same thing. At the end of the day you ultimately need to target and hit on players. Thats more important than trying to generate the highest VBD value based on inherantly flawed, and consensus influenced pre draft rankings. That approach robotically steers you to players you have less belief in.

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