Amari Cooper

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Which side of the fence are you on?

 

Amari is on the verge of becoming a true #1 or Amari has bad hands and will struggle to ever become a true number #1?

 

I'm buying him low, but I'm not really sure I want to. His schedule is brutal. He seems to get banged up but still plays which is great I guess. Anybody want to give a pep talk to Amari owners?

 

Where's that Raiders guy when we need him??

[jimaveli 119]

He has the zoomed out skills. But Crabtree is in his way and a better player for what Carr wants/needs. Cooper is necessary to some of Crabtree's success but it's not like he gets assists for what he does to coverages.

 

Aka I'd rather have Crabtree. Cooper is coming but I don't know if this is the year. I think I'd rather miss the breakout.

[weepaws 2,451]

Cooper is a wr2 on his own team, and should be drafted in ff as so.

[BobSanders_33 127]

As a Raider fan I don't see it. Carr is willing to spread the ball around. He doesn't lock on to Cooper. Crabtree is Carr's trusted red zone target.

[Skinny_Bastard 154]

If you own Cooper, you need to own Crabtree too in your starting lineup.

The two of them are good for 10-12 reception, 150 yards and 2 TD combine.

[Larry David 20]

Cooper drops balls and Crabtree doesn't. Simple as that. In week 1, Carr tried on three straight plays to feed Cooper the ball in the end zone. Two of them were off of Cooper's hands and the third (if I'm remembering correctly) was tipped but still could have been caught. Crabtree probably catches all three of them.

[weepaws 2,451]

If you own Cooper, you need to own Crabtree too in your starting lineup.

The two of them are good for 10-12 reception, 150 yards and 2 TD combine.

Indeed they do make a good wr1 amd wr2 combo on a ff team.

[tanatastic 2,061]

If you own Cooper, you need to own Crabtree too in your starting lineup.

The two of them are good for 10-12 reception, 150 yards and 2 TD combine.

Why wouldn't you want both wr spots to have a shot at 150 2? Starting WRs on same team caps your upside.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Seems like everybody is on the same page. So why is his dynasty value so high?

[weepaws 2,451]

If you look at a high wr1 like A Brown and a high wr2 like D Thomas.

 

They have scored a total of 64 points after two games.

 

Cooper and Crabtree after two games have scored 70 points.

 

Biggest worry would be if Carr was to get hurt.

 

But I like the ideal.

[knight11e 10]

Targeted Crabs everywhere I could get him. This year especially he passes the eye test for me, both catching and after the catch.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Carson + C. Kupp for Amari. That's what I gave up to get Amari. Both Carson and Kupp are keeper eligible but Amari isn't.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Carson + C. Kupp for Amari. That's what I gave up to get Amari. Both Carson and Kupp are keeper eligible but Amari isn't.

So kupp for Cooper, Carson isnt a factor. You fleeced a guy for his rookie who had 1 decent game for his 2nd or 3rd rnd pick.

[IGotWorms 3,297]

So kupp for Cooper, Carson isnt a factor. You fleeced a guy for his rookie who had 1 decent game for his 2nd or 3rd rnd pick.

Definitely a fleece but Carson adds a little speculative value.

 

Still, basically two waiver pickups for a late 2nd or early 3rd rounder. Hell I might veto a trade like that, for real

[seafoam1 1,878]

I have Crabtree on my team and I wouldn't trade him straight up for Cooper. And that would be even before this last game.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Definitely a fleece but Carson adds a little speculative value.

 

Still, basically two waiver pickups for a late 2nd or early 3rd rounder. Hell I might veto a trade like that, for real

I actually drafted both. I think it'll be a WR4 and RB3 for a WR2. Carson does have a little more speculative value like you said.

 

Honestly, I'm not even that excited about it. I agreed to the trade, but I had a lot of other interest in Carson.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I have Crabtree on my team and I wouldn't trade him straight up for Cooper. And that would be even before this last game.

I have Cooper and feel the same. Wouldn't trade straight up for Crabs

[Crystal Meth Tweekers 26]

Umm we are 2 games in guys. Cooper is only in his 3rd season. He showed me some great preseason catches. That TD he muscled his way in the endzone. I am not sure how will end up the season but I would be shocked if they are both WR1's by the end of the year.

[seafoam1 1,878]

I have Cooper and feel the same. Wouldn't trade straight up for Crabs

Good news for you is that I dont think the Crabtree owner will be knocking down your door for the swap. Bad news for you is that the Crabtree owner wont be knocking down your door for that trade.

 

Crabtree will outscore Cooper this year.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Good news for you is that I dont think the Crabtree owner will be knocking down your door for the swap. Bad news for you is that the Crabtree owner wont be knocking down your door for that trade.

 

Crabtree will outscore Cooper this year.

You're wasting your time arguing. If Crabs is your guy..... great. All the best. I just disagree with you.

[weepaws 2,451]

It will be the third time Crabtree out scores Cooper.

 

And once again next season Copper will be the one that's over paid for.

[Mile High Magic 8]

Had Cooper last year and he frustrated the hell out of me. I would much rather have Crabtree who has been the better fantasy receiver at a much lower ADP.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

It will be the third time Crabtree out scores Cooper.

 

And once again next season Copper will be the one that's over paid for.

 

No one was saying this in week 1. A 3 TD week and suddenly everyone has it figured out.

 

Cooper has a higher ceiling and he's in his 3rd year.......so still learning.

 

Like you mention Crabs is a better value than Cooper at this very moment. That could change quickly.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I targeted Crabtree everywhere this year for his consistency and his QBs faith in him around the end zone. He gets more RZ looks than a TE!

 

Conversely I had Coop on my DND... as long as Crabs is on the team he'll never approach AB, Julio, OBJ numbers which is more or less why he's being drafted so high. People expect "the next step" but it might never come with Crabs playing like a 1 and the raiders playing as great as they are.

 

If it ain't broke don't fix it...

 

Also is it time we start mentioning Crabtree among the near elite?

The Evans, Jordy's, Dez Bryant's of the world. I feel like Crabs gets no love ever since Sherman beat him on 1 play in the playoffs and called him mediocre.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

 

No one was saying this in week 1. A 3 TD week and suddenly everyone has it figured out.

 

Cooper has a higher ceiling and he's in his 3rd year.......so still learning.

 

Like you mention Crabs is a better value than Cooper at this very moment. That could change quickly.

No one should be jumping to any conclusions after week 1 but hard to argue with consistency.

 

Crabtree:

 

Week 1: 6-83-0 on 7 targets

Week 2: 6-80-3 on 6 targets

 

You give me 6 for 80 every week that's 96 for 1280 on the season. Obviously those numbers will fluctuate but Crabs will get more RZ looks than Coop as the season goes on. He's one of the best in the league at 1v1 jump balls in the end zone.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

No one should be jumping to any conclusions after week 1 but hard to argue with consistency.

 

Crabtree:

 

Week 1: 6-83-0 on 7 targets

Week 2: 6-80-3 on 6 targets

 

You give me 6 for 80 every week that's 96 for 1280 on the season. Obviously those numbers will fluctuate but Crabs will get more RZ looks than Coop as the season goes on. He's one of the best in the league at 1v1 jump balls in the end zone.

96 for 1280 would crush any of his previous career numbers. Don't bank on it.

[Kent 228]

Crabtree is probably simply better than him. Crabtree was the best WR in college his last year. People don't want to remember this I guess? Sometimes it's not complex.

 

Crabtree was wasted in San Fran.

[Skinny_Bastard 154]

Indeed they do make a good wr1 amd wr2 combo on a ff team.

 

It's rare for both of them to have a good game together.

I know...i own them both last season. Had both in my starting lineup. Eliminated a lot of frustrations of trying to figure out which is the better start.

[TennisMenace 156]

I'm glad I didn't draft him this year. I couldn't take another year like last in non ppr.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Crabtree is probably simply better than him. Crabtree was the best WR in college his last year. People don't want to remember this I guess? Sometimes it's not complex.

 

Crabtree was wasted in San Fran.

Crabtree is a nice WR, on the wrong side of 30. He may currently be better than Cooper but I'm not buying that he will remain better. What he did in college is irrelevant now, since it was about a decade ago. Cooper was one of the best in college too, just 3 years ago. Time is on his side.

[Skinny_Bastard 154]

The 2 of them combined for 172 reception, 2156 yards and 16 TD

 

That comes out to 11 reception, 135 yards and 1 TD on a weekly basis which is 30.5 points in a PPR league.

[seafoam1 1,878]

 

No one was saying this in week 1. A 3 TD week and suddenly everyone has it figured out.

 

Cooper has a higher ceiling and he's in his 3rd year.......so still learning.

 

Like you mention Crabs is a better value than Cooper at this very moment. That could change quickly.

I said it in my draft before week 1. I took Crabtree before Cooper.

[neil2222 1]

I'll bet the draw and say they finish with the exact same number of fantasy points.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Crabtree is a nice WR, on the wrong side of 30. He may currently be better than Cooper but I'm not buying that he will remain better. What he did in college is irrelevant now, since it was about a decade ago. Cooper was one of the best in college too, just 3 years ago. Time is on his side.

Wrong side of 30? That's the most cliche and useless statement ever lol he just turned 30 not even a week ago. To say that Crabtree is not in his prime currently is foolish.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I also agree with Kent, Crabtree was never a part of high powered offense until now and last 2 seasons were very solid.

 

Who is to say Crabtree still cannot improve? We can play the age game all you want. I cannot argue that Cooper is younger than Crabtree but that's irrelevant to current value. Relevant to future, keeper, dynasty rankings sure... but not redraft.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I said it in my draft before week 1. I took Crabtree before Cooper.

If Cooper was still on the board I applaud you. I typically waited for Cooper to get picked then snag Crabs the very next round.

[kutulu 1,541]

Can't believe I paid for this bum two years in a row

[seafoam1 1,878]

If Cooper was still on the board I applaud you. I typically waited for Cooper to get picked then snag Crabs the very next round.

It was close. I just thought Crabtree wouldnt make it back to me. I just like his ability in the endzone and his consistency overall.

[DaBeerz 88]

He has the zoomed out skills. But Crabtree is in his way and a better player for what Carr wants/needs. Cooper is necessary to some of Crabtree's success but it's not like he gets assists for what he does to coverages.

 

Aka I'd rather have Crabtree. Cooper is coming but I don't know if this is the year. I think I'd rather miss the breakout.

 

After having both last year, Crabtree was way more consistent, Cooper was feast or famine. I always debated which one to start week to week. Cooper had a few monster games mid-season last year, then fell off a cliff. Eventually I said forget it and just went with Crabtree every week.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

It was close. I just thought Crabtree wouldnt make it back to me. I just like his ability in the endzone and his consistency overall.

Agree 100%

 

People automatically look at numbers (similar) then go str8 to age and assume that Cooper has the higher upside because he's younger. Sometimes you gotta dig deeper, actually watch the games not just go by the numbers.