svtballa 8 Posted July 15, 2014 Coming off an injury and old.. But I can see the falcons as a whole having a big bounce back year and sjax racking up the tds....right now adp is 6.09 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
envoy9 5 Posted July 15, 2014 Davonta Freeman=Great value and likely starter by week 3 Sjax=Bust Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 496 Posted July 15, 2014 Old RBs rarely have a career resurgence. Once RBs hit the wall, they're generally done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted July 15, 2014 Looking at S Jackson as a #4 rb I just don't feel like he has it anymore and I also think he will lose a lot of work to Freeman . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dehaven123 31 Posted July 15, 2014 Looking at S Jackson as a #4 rb I just don't feel like he has it anymore and I also think he will lose a lot of work to Freeman . this. maybe a RB3 tho, maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Upper Class Trash 67 Posted July 15, 2014 Coming off an injury and old.. But I can see the falcons as a whole having a big bounce back year and sjax racking up the tds....right now adp is 6.09 Take it from someone who watched the wheels fall off in St. Louis. Put a fork in him. He's done. He may get you a couple decent games this year, but it will be because of his receptions, not his running. Put him in a foot race with an elephant and the elephant wins 9 times out of 10. He struggles to simply get back to the line of scrimmage. Why waste a 6th round pick when you can actually draft a damn good WR, TE, QB in that slot instead of a RB4? No offense intended here, but that is a loser's mentality. You should be the owner taking the best player on the board in round 6, not taking a RB who may not break the top 32 at his position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rholio 339 Posted July 15, 2014 FFToday ranks him #33 at RB... sounds about right. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 15, 2014 Elephants can reach speeds up to 25 mph. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rholio 339 Posted July 15, 2014 Elephants can reach speeds up to 25 mph. I'll take "What is faster than Steven Jackson" for $300, Alex. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 15, 2014 Sjax is caca doo doo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted July 15, 2014 I was looking over some Matt Waldman draft strategy and when he was doing his round targets and waiting on RB he often ended up with like an Sjax. R. Jennings combo, volume backs in good offenses he says, and seemed pretty ok with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted July 15, 2014 He has Jennings above Lacy....and Sjax above Gio. Is he smoking the rock? What do you guys think? http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=gutcheck302 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rholio 339 Posted July 15, 2014 He has Jennings above Lacy....and Sjax above Gio. Is he smoking the rock? What do you guys think? http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=gutcheck302 Warning: extract() [function.extract]: First argument should be an array in /home/football/public_html/subscribers/apps/article.php on line 21 We can't find that article Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted July 15, 2014 ^ Try just reloading the page once it bugs out or copy and paste the link. It does glitch but seems to load. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 15, 2014 I would stab myself in the face if my rbs were sjax and jennings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beer Me Please 1 Posted July 16, 2014 I would stab myself in the face if my rbs were sjax and jennings. It's a new fantasy RB landscape these days... it will turn around eventually, but, the "everydown" back if very limited to a few players. If you drafted Megatron, Marshall, Cobb, and say Pierre Garcon or Keenan Allen as a fourth WR, having SJax and another RB would look pretty good! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 16, 2014 I dont know man. Thats just too thin. I did it once with felix jones, tim hightower, and shone greene thinking my wrs and qb were enough. The rb deficiency was just too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,171 Posted July 16, 2014 i'm a big time SJax apologist, I suppose but I absolutely agree with whoever said "volume rusher in a good offense". they made some big improvements to the line and get Julio back to stretch the defense.... If you're going WR heavy or waiting on RB for whatever reason, SJax makes a good target. I also don't really fear Freeman because of how Atlanta more or less rode michael turner until the wheels fell off. I think they do the same with their big sturdy, do it all, veteran RB. Go back and look at Jacksons fantasy #s last year when he returned from injury. 125 points in 10 games including 6 TDs and 27 receptions. not really that bad and he seemed to get better as the year closed out. Again, this was running behind one of the worst lines in football that saw matt Ryan lead the league in pressures. Maybe he loses the job, maybe he pulls a hammy week 1 but Im not avoiding him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobSanders_33 127 Posted July 16, 2014 I will target SJax as my flex in the 6th round. He might not sound compelling but you have to compare the players going around him in ADP. I will take him before players going close to his ADP in Rice, Ridley, Thomas, Miller, and MJD. I like the Atl offense AND that I can cheaply hedge my bet by drafting Freeman a round early in the 9th. I think Freeman has talent and with my strategy it might even be advantageous if SJax goes down and carries are consolidated. I don't see Rodgers as a threat. Until SJax goes down I don't see him losing much work to Freeman because of concerns on pass protect and like White Wonder said above about the staff favoring veterans. "He’s got great vision, he’s got great stop-and-start ability," Smith said. "The big thing that he needs to work on is the ability to work in pass protection because we ask our backs to do a lot." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Upper Class Trash 67 Posted July 16, 2014 Bob - This is my point though. Why would you "target" Steven Jackson in the 6th round when there are plenty of WR's/TE's/QB's available there that will actually help your team? I just don't understand this strategy. You could draft a true RB earlier, and take a WR there. The WR's drafted between rounds 4 and 6 are pretty close in terms of value. If you are determined to take a WR early, wait until round three for a RB, or round 4. Taking S Jax isn't just taking a gamble.... It's taking a VERY large gamble on a pick that should net you a quality player. I will agree he has value in the passing game, so a flex option isn't bad, but why would you select him, even in a PPR League with a flex position, over someone like these guys below? I'm copying and pasting the pics around the Jackson pick so you can see who was available. I'm deleting my pick though as I have someone I target here and I'm not sharing. : ) I would MUCH rather have one of the WR's taken a few picks ahead, or behind, Jackson. Much. Less injury risk (consider his hammy history) and much less wear and tear. 5.12 60. Happy Wright, Kendall TEN WR Wed Jul 9 7:20:22 a.m. ET 2014 6.01 61. Happy Wallace, Mike MIA WR Wed Jul 9 7:20:55 a.m. ET 2014 6.02 62. Annexation of Puerto Rico Welker, Wes DEN WR Wed Jul 9 7:20:56 a.m. ET 2014 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 6.03 63. Graham Goin' HAM Stafford, Matthew DET QB Wed Jul 9 9:31:50 a.m. ET 2014 6.04 64. WobblyCats Cameron, Jordan CLE TE Wed Jul 9 9:31:51 a.m. ET 2014 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 6.05 65. Upper Class Trash Wed Jul 9 9:35:39 a.m. ET 2014 6.06 66. SilverToeCamel Gore, Frank SFO RB Wed Jul 9 12:10:44 p.m. ET 2014 6.07 67. The Goat Scrotes Ridley, Stevan NEP RB Wed Jul 9 12:10:45 p.m. ET 2014 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 6.08 68. Josh K Jackson, Steven ATL RB Wed Jul 9 1:18:28 p.m. ET 2014 6.09 69. Team 25 Decker, Eric NYJ WR Wed Jul 9 1:29:54 p.m. ET 2014 6.10 70. Travis D Luck, Andrew IND QB Wed Jul 9 9:30:15 p.m. ET 2014 Pick made by ADP Rank 6.11 71. suhnamiii Colston, Marques NOS WR Wed Jul 9 9:41:06 p.m. ET 2014 6.12 72. Jeffrey K Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR Wed Jul 9 9:41:39 p.m. ET 2014 7.01 73. Jeffrey K Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR Wed Jul 9 9:48:21 p.m. ET 2014 7.02 74. suhnamiii Tate, Golden DET WR Wed Jul 9 9:55:55 p.m. ET 2014 7.03 75. Travis D Witten, Jason DAL TE Wed Jul 9 10:13:56 p.m. ET 2014 7.04 76. Team 25 Rice, Ray BAL RB Wed Jul 9 10:56:46 p.m. ET 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 16, 2014 It's a new fantasy RB landscape these days... it will turn around eventually, but, the "everydown" back if very limited to a few players. If you drafted Megatron, Marshall, Cobb, and say Pierre Garcon or Keenan Allen as a fourth WR, having SJax and another RB would look pretty good! New landscae or not, I simply have to come out of the first 2 rounds with an RB or I feel sick. Its no about every down backs, its just about good players. I would stab myself in the face if my rbs were sjax and jennings. Def stab. When your rbs are giving you garbage and other peoples value wrs are doing almost as good as your studs it will hurt. WR is a volatile position that anyone can explode from. Usually it will happen against you. I dont know man. Thats just too thin. I did it once with felix jones, tim hightower, and shone greene thinking my wrs and qb were enough. The rb deficiency was just too much. Exactly this. When the other guys team of Shady, reggie bush, antonio brown and jay cutler regularly scores as much as your team of Rodgers, Marshall, Sjax and jennings you will debate suicide. Everyone knows you pay top price for the guaranteed top 3 qb numbers from guys like brees at the end of the year. But everyone also knows that the difference between qb 1 and 12 isnt as drastic as rb 1-12. No one is starting a qb that they arent pretty sure will get them 20-30 pnts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vrabinec 19 Posted July 17, 2014 Jackson was such a powerful back for so many years, his body has GOT to be on fumes. Too bad. I used to love to watch him run. But I haven't touched him this year for anything but bench help, and he only dropped there once in the twenty or so drafts I've been in. SOMEONE is counting on him every day. If they have any brains at all, they picked up Freemen. If not, I think it's a wasted pick. I remember waiting for too many big backs to recapture the magic. It rarely happens. In fact, I can't think of a single time a 31 year-old power back like Jackson had a decent year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted July 17, 2014 He has been a fantasy stud over his career.......but he is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted July 18, 2014 Hmm I'm really starting to wonder a little bit here. Once Roddy got healthy last year Sjax finished as PPR RB 11 week 12-17 last year. He scored 5 tds. I've got to think he's still the guy to put those in not Freeman. I mean this is a team with a history of having an out of gas turner continued his relevancy despite his explosion falling off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vrabinec 19 Posted July 18, 2014 Shhh? Okay. Gotta remember there was no other viable option on the bench to take his place. He only had 1 game in his last 8 games where he averaged more than 4 yards. Fantasy geeks might think he's doing just fine because he's plunging it into the end zone, but coaches tend to look for backs who can get more than 4 per carry. And as a guy like Freeman gets more and more ingrained into the offense, they'll devise more plays in the red zone for him. I think Jackson's touches go way down by the end of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphster 274 Posted July 18, 2014 Ok Vrabs I'll give ya my take: If yer thinking SJax is going to be your RB2 then you're overstating his value. But for an RB3 or 4 that you can get in the 7th round there's plenty of value there. I believe that SJax has potential to score as much or more as RBs being drafted a full round (or more) ahead of him. People like T Rich, Tate, Ridley, Rice, Gore, CJ?K, Lamar Miller, etc - SJax has just as much scoring potential as any of them. I feel ATL is going to surprise a lot of people this year, and if healthy S Jax will own the lion's share of the touches, including goal line touches. Freeman's just not big enough to thump in the redzone. But that's just my opinion, man... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vrabinec 19 Posted July 18, 2014 Well, I'd take him ahead of any of those guys you listed except T-Rich (And I consider that one a tossup), so I think we're on the same page. I just don't see him as a #2, as him finishing PPR RB #11 would suggest. So, my post was a rebuttal to THAT post. And I think his touches decrease. Freeman's size doesn't matter. The Steelers are running a bunch of plays for the red zone in OTAs for Dri Archer, who's 5'7 and 170 lbs. They're those "lose him behind the big men" plays. I agree he'll get the lion's share of the touches early, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
