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#481 TimmySmith

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Posted 25 September 2018 - 02:52 PM

Hmm, I know people hated Romo, but to me that guy was fun to watch. Especially when the O-line was crap and hed have to scramble for his life. At least I had a feeling that we could compete and win any game. And that came with the understanding that Romo may crap the bed and choke in the 4th. But as time went on Romo put all that to rest.

I do believe a lot of better ran organizations couldve won a Super Bowl with Romo. Give Dallas Rodgers, Gurley, and Antonio Brown and theyd still find a way to lose.

I will give Romo his due as a great QB, and a couple of those years were exciting.


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#482 Gepetto

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Posted 25 September 2018 - 06:17 PM

I said they should have never declared Dak the starter when Romo got healthy.  Offense is terrible and uninspiring now.



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Posted 25 September 2018 - 09:39 PM

 

People hated Romo?

 

My impression was that most people who viewed him negatively saw him as 1) more than a bit magoo, and 2) prone to throw games away on bad errors, but 3) generally a good QB. Was never gonna get them to the SB, but was pretty good. Why do you say people hated him?

People hated Romo because Cowboys fans do Cowboys fan stuff.  I'll put it this way, as a Steelers fan I think Big Ben is good, really good.  But a no point in his entire career have I ever thought he was the best QB in the league.  When you're comparing him to guys like Brady, Brees and Rodgers, he's going to fall short.  He's got near-HOF credentials, but again will pale in comparison to the truly great QB's.  

 

Cowboys fans painted Romo to be the second coming of Joe Montana, and did so relentlessly.  You couldn't talk to a Cowboys fan without him trying to convince you that he was the best QB in the league, despite tons of evidence to the contrary.  Same with Dez..."best receiver in the game" and crap.  It's the delusions of the fanbase that taint the image of the players.  Romo was a big victim of this.  My stance on Romo softened over the years because I saw him for what he was...a very heady, very talented QB on a very flawed team.  It wasn't his fault they lost to the Eagles that year in the playoffs, Romo played his ass off.  It was his fault his team put up 52 points but the defense gave up 55 to Indy.  Had Jerry not run off Bill Parcels it's completely conceivable that this could have a championship team.  But Jerry's hubris gives people ammo to hate the Cowboys.  



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Posted 25 September 2018 - 10:55 PM

 

People hated Romo?

 

My impression was that most people who viewed him negatively saw him as 1) more than a bit magoo, and 2) prone to throw games away on bad errors, but 3) generally a good QB. Was never gonna get them to the SB, but was pretty good. Why do you say people hated him?

 

because people hated him.  his impossible miracle comebacks far outnumbered the few games he lost on bad throws, and he was the only arrow in the quiver.  it was that simple--if he didn't miracle up wins, the cowboys lost.  he'd put up a 30+ point game, the defense would give it away, and people would still blame him.  and he always accepted the blame, never, ever, ever blaming anyone else.

 

he wasn't a first-ballot HOFer like rodgers or brees, but educated NFL analysts consistently called him one of the best QBs in the league.  he kept a garbage team playoff-relevant until his body could no longer take the punishment.



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Posted 26 September 2018 - 08:09 AM

Oh, believe me, I know.  I'm living squarely in Los Cowboys central.  I love it.  Most delusional fanbase EVER.  There is no middle ground.  Every Cowboy fan I know starts every year with "We are winning the Superbowl this year!" and slowly gets beaten into depression as the season goes on.  Most don't even realize the Cowboys are only relevant because of how inept they have become and the dysfunction of their owner.  

amen

 

There's a few of us who've been calling this franchise out - for years and years.

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 08:23 AM

 
because people hated him.  his impossible miracle comebacks far outnumbered the few games he lost on bad throws, and he was the only arrow in the quiver.  it was that simple--if he didn't miracle up wins, the cowboys lost.  he'd put up a 30+ point game, the defense would give it away, and people would still blame him.  and he always accepted the blame, never, ever, ever blaming anyone else.
 
he wasn't a first-ballot HOFer like rodgers or brees, but educated NFL analysts consistently called him one of the best QBs in the league.  he kept a garbage team playoff-relevant until his body could no longer take the punishment.

Bingo - well said.....Also keep in mind people - Montana had Walsh, Brady had Belichick, Brees had Payton...here, Roger had Landry and Troy had Jimmy.
 
Romo was blessed and saddled with Wade Phillips and Red Garrett.......... Let that sink in for a minute.

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 09:04 AM

 

because people hated him.  his impossible miracle comebacks far outnumbered the few games he lost on bad throws, and he was the only arrow in the quiver.  it was that simple--if he didn't miracle up wins, the cowboys lost.  he'd put up a 30+ point game, the defense would give it away, and people would still blame him.  and he always accepted the blame, never, ever, ever blaming anyone else.

 

he wasn't a first-ballot HOFer like rodgers or brees, but educated NFL analysts consistently called him one of the best QBs in the league.  he kept a garbage team playoff-relevant until his body could no longer take the punishment.

 

I guess my question was more basic--what was your evidence for people hating him? I'm not questioning that you're correct, just wondering. My experience is that Romo was a guy people would roll their eyes about, but not that people hated. So I'm taking it that you met a lot of people who actually felt a lot more strongly than that?

 

For example--a lot of Chicago people hated Jay Cutler. I mean really thought he was crap and disliked him personally. I never heard a lot of even Cowboy fans saying either about Romo. I'd hear that he wasn't great, that he'd make big mistakes sometimes. But I just never heard the 'hate'. That's all I'm asking about.



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Posted 26 September 2018 - 12:41 PM

 

I guess my question was more basic--what was your evidence for people hating him? I'm not questioning that you're correct, just wondering. My experience is that Romo was a guy people would roll their eyes about, but not that people hated. So I'm taking it that you met a lot of people who actually felt a lot more strongly than that?

 

For example--a lot of Chicago people hated Jay Cutler. I mean really thought he was crap and disliked him personally. I never heard a lot of even Cowboy fans saying either about Romo. I'd hear that he wasn't great, that he'd make big mistakes sometimes. But I just never heard the 'hate'. That's all I'm asking about.

I hated him, again, because of Cowboys fans and their adulation and anointing of him of him.  When he actually earned some of it I softened my stance on him a bit.  I would be willing to bet that not so many people dislike the Cowboys...but many, many can't stand their fans.  



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#489 kilroy69

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 03:44 PM

Dak is NOT the great savior that Jerry thought he was. Dez is needed but Jerry is not about to admit that.
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Posted 27 September 2018 - 12:11 AM

 

I guess my question was more basic--what was your evidence for people hating him? 

 

the incredible number of people who openly claimed that they hated him.  



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Posted 27 September 2018 - 08:39 AM

Dak is NOT the great savior that Jerry thought he was. Dez is needed but Jerry is not about to admit that.

Dez is not needed... 6'2" WRs who can't separate, can't catch nor run anything more than 2 routes is no more the solution than magic beans.
 
This offense needs a complete overhaul.. Starting with coaches, offensive creativity - and yes, personnel. And as long as Dak, Red and Linehan are still here - 25 year old Randy Moss wouldn't help much.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 08:47 AM

I've been begging for Red's head for years.... Please tell me even the Garrett pom pom crowd has finally had enuff too?

 

4th and 1, in OT - and you kick it away? I thought (I was told) that's we took Zeke with the 4th overall pick exactly for that scenario. I thought (I was told) that's why we invested 4 1st round (and 1 2nd round) picks on offensive lineman exactly for that scenario... In a 9 year career soiled in mediocrity - Red doesn't have the balls to go out and win a game - he played to not lose, why? It's not like he has some stellar legacy to defend - what in the hell did he have to lose?  

 

I'll say it again: Dak, Gawd Bless you, but if you had 5 balls to hit the broadside of a barn - 3 would miss.



#493 RoadLizard

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:14 AM

Dez is not needed... 6'2" WRs who can't separate, can't catch nor run anything more than 2 routes is no more the solution than magic beans.
 
This offense needs a complete overhaul.. Starting with coaches, offensive creativity - and yes, personnel. And as long as Dak, Red and Linehan are still here - 25 year old Randy Moss wouldn't help much.

Yeah, thats about it too. A revamp is required. Im not sold on Prescott anymore either. Seems to be regressing like RG3 or some of the other QBs that started great but quickly fell off. Its not just him though. They have NO weapons in the passing game. No one scares any defense. Its all Zeke and thats it. The defense is actually decent but cant carry the team. Dallas has .500 talent and coaching and will therefore finish right around .500.

#494 sirensong

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:10 AM

I've been begging for Red's head for years.... Please tell me even the Garrett pom pom crowd has finally had enuff too?

 

4th and 1, in OT - and you kick it away? I thought (I was told) that's we took Zeke with the 4th overall pick exactly for that scenario. I thought (I was told) that's why we invested 4 1st round (and 1 2nd round) picks on offensive lineman exactly for that scenario... In a 9 year career soiled in mediocrity - Red doesn't have the balls to go out and win a game - he played to not lose, why? It's not like he has some stellar legacy to defend - what in the hell did he have to lose?  

 

I'll say it again: Dak, Gawd Bless you, but if you had 5 balls to hit the broadside of a barn - 3 would miss.

 

it isn't just zeke and the OL.  QB sneaks on 4th and 1 in 2018: 16 conversions in 17 attempts.  having a LB-sized QB who is a seriously talented runner creates a lot more problems for the defense, and garrett still wouldn't make the gamble.

 

jesse holley said it exactly right on postgame radio: whatever dak might or might not be as an overall QB talent, he cannot coexist with garrett because neither of them can mask the other's deficiencies and risk aversion.



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:21 AM

Yeah, thats about it too. A revamp is required. Im not sold on Prescott anymore either. Seems to be regressing like RG3 or some of the other QBs that started great but quickly fell off. Its not just him though. They have NO weapons in the passing game. No one scares any defense. Its all Zeke and thats it. The defense is actually decent but cant carry the team. Dallas has .500 talent and coaching and will therefore finish right around .500.

 

dak hasn't improved--hasn't progressed.  he can make some good plays at times, but after 36 starts, he doesn't appear to be capable of consistently orchestrating the offense without dominant OL and RB play.  



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:34 AM

 

People hated Romo?

 

My impression was that most people who viewed him negatively saw him as 1) more than a bit magoo, and 2) prone to throw games away on bad errors, but 3) generally a good QB. Was never gonna get them to the SB, but was pretty good. Why do you say people hated him?

 

You ever go to a Cowboys board or a YouTube video of him? You'll get people who praise and love him....but you'll get people the simply claim he was a perennial choker who never got it done and therefore was one of the worst QB's in franchise history.

 

All this from an undrafted guy. That Romo "A Football Life" was great though. Really showed the kind of guy he was and how it's rare to find someone that played as well as he did for such a weak organization.


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#497 Cruzer

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 12:19 PM

 

it isn't just zeke and the OL.  QB sneaks on 4th and 1 in 2018: 16 conversions in 17 attempts.  having a LB-sized QB who is a seriously talented runner creates a lot more problems for the defense, and garrett still wouldn't make the gamble.

 

jesse holley said it exactly right on postgame radio: whatever dak might or might not be as an overall QB talent, he cannot coexist with garrett because neither of them can mask the other's deficiencies and risk aversion.

True - although I simply don't see Dak as a legit #1 starter in the NFL - under any circumstance.

 

But back to Red - this game was a microcosm of his entire tenure. Poor decision making in critical parts of a game - playing not to lose.. A perennial .500 HC, on the road, knowing Philly and NY had already lost - refusing to take the fight to the other team and refusing to go out and win a game. .. Like seriously, what was it he was afraid of?

 

If my HC plays scared and chokes in Week 5 of the season, against a 1-3 team - I've no use for him. And damn sure wouldn't trust him in a playoff game. (as we've seen before too) 



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 12:25 PM

How bout some positives though:

 

Vander Esch - wow, this kid is a player. I gave a big thumbs up when he was taken in the 1st - he's proven to be even better than I had hoped. It's early, and he still has a lot to learn - but he looks a lot like Luke Kuechly out there - the kid is all over the place......... and 2nd - Jaylon Smith. I still contend using a 2nd for him was a stupid and bad idea. That being said - he looks really good out there at times. A guy his size, who can run and bring the lumber - impressive as hell.

 

Did we actually have a couple TEs make catches last night? :shocking:



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 05:10 PM

True - although I simply don't see Dak as a legit #1 starter in the NFL - under any circumstance.

 

But back to Red - this game was a microcosm of his entire tenure. Poor decision making in critical parts of a game - playing not lose.. A perennial .500 HC, on the road, knowing Philly and NY had already lost - refusing to take the fight to the other team and refusing to go out and win a game. .. Like seriously, what was it he was afraid of?

 

If my HC plays scares and chokes in Week 5 of the season, against a 1-3 team - I've no use for him. And damn sure wouldn't trust him in a playoff game. (as we've seen before too) 

 

we've argued about JG for a long time, but you were right and i was wrong. 

 

i respected the teambuilding and motivation he brought, but it's obvious now that those are the only arrows in his quiver.  he simply doesn't have anything to offer in terms of tactics or strategy.  worse, he doesn't recognize those shortcomings, and therefore refuses to address them by bringing in creative schemers and delegating to them.  he doesn't have to be a master tactician or strategist--eisenhower wasn't one either.  but eisenhower recognized that, and made use of guys like patton and macarthur.

 

but at the end of the day, it comes down to what you do when the pressure is on.  garrett folds.

 

i'm done with the guy.



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 05:12 PM

How bout some positives though:

 

Vander Esch - wow, this kid is a player. I gave a big thumbs up when he was taken in the 1st - he's proven to be even better than I had hoped. It's early, and he still has a lot to learn - but he looks a lot like Luke Kuechly out there - the kid is all over the place......... and 2nd - Jaylon Smith. I still contend using a 2nd for him was a stupid and bad idea. That being said - he looks really good out there at times. A guy his size, who can run and bring the lumber - impressive as hell.

 

Did we actually have a couple TEs make catches last night? :shocking:

 

 

yeah, he doesn't make many good-looking plays (few big hits, TOs, etc.), but he's always around the ball, and the guy doesn't miss tackles.



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 07:14 PM

Good thread.

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#502 CornKobb

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:15 AM

Groundhog Day....



#503 Cruzer

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 12:20 PM

The entire Division losing this week was about the worst thing that could of happened. :doh:



#504 Gepetto

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 09:43 AM

I've been begging for Red's head for years.... Please tell me even the Garrett pom pom crowd has finally had enuff too?

 

4th and 1, in OT - and you kick it away? I thought (I was told) that's we took Zeke with the 4th overall pick exactly for that scenario. I thought (I was told) that's why we invested 4 1st round (and 1 2nd round) picks on offensive lineman exactly for that scenario... In a 9 year career soiled in mediocrity - Red doesn't have the balls to go out and win a game - he played to not lose, why? It's not like he has some stellar legacy to defend - what in the hell did he have to lose?  

 

I'll say it again: Dak, Gawd Bless you, but if you had 5 balls to hit the broadside of a barn - 3 would miss.

 

You were right.  I'm way done with Garrett.  He's a bad coach and needs to go.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:57 AM

the giants are winning the race to a 1st round QB.

 

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 04:32 AM

the giants are winning the race to a 1st round QB.

 

:cry:

 

They'll probably pick up a back up running back. Eli says he still has a many good years in him as Hillary trying to run for President again.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:00 AM

the giants are winning the race to a 1st round QB.

 

:cry:

Can you believe it? In the midst of a dumpster fire season and coming off the heels of blowing their pick last year - they are gonna get another shot to land the qb they should have taken last year... Damn the luck.