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....Reached for comment after the shooting, the Officer's Police Union Lawyer stated that the Officer acted properly and that the windshield failed to comply with lawfully given instructions repeatedly. The officer, fearing for his life, acted accordingly and discharged his weapon 84 times into the the subject, reloading 7 times...

 

The officer is being placed on paid administrative leave as per department policy involving officer involved vehicle shootings.

 

A protest is planned in front of City Hall according to a representative of Glass Lives Matter.

The family is said to be absolutely shattered by the shooting and is demanding full transparency.

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Las Vegas cop shoots through his own window

 

 

 

Focking Irresponsible A$$hole!!!

 

I'm against pretty much ALL High speed chases as well as opening carelessly opening fire in public. :mad:

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Fockin aye... woooooo!!!!!! That sh!t is badass...wood.

Give that man a promotion!!!!!

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That's pretty crazy. For the LEOs, how does a cop decide taking down the criminal is worth the risk of a high speed chase, window shots, etc.?

He feared for his life. Duh.

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Wow. That was insane.

 

1. Seems like a handsfeee radio would be a good thing to have.

 

2. I dont know about that. Dude was driving with no hands firing a weapon from a moving vehicle. Seems pretty focking dangerous all around.

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There the cops go. Doing their jobs again. F0ckin animals!

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Wow. That was insane.

 

1. Seems like a handsfeee radio would be a good thing to have.

 

2. I dont know about that. Dude was driving with no hands firing a weapon from a moving vehicle. Seems pretty focking dangerous all around.

 

Agreed and was going to say the same thing. High speed chase, navigating traffic, being shot at, and driving with 1 hand.

 

He fired a lot of shots and had no idea who was on the other side of the vehicle. Not sure what the right answer is, but while watching it I was a bit concerned.

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A protest is planned in front of City Hall according to a representative of Glass Lives Matter.

The family is said to be absolutely shattered by the shooting and is demanding full transparency.

I may or may not have stolen part of this.

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You would think they could have more high tech microphones so they can use 2 hands

 

very scary there were a good 10 seconds there where he was super vulnerable

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That's pretty crazy. For the LEOs, how does a cop decide taking down the criminal is worth the risk of a high speed chase, window shots, etc.?

I feel it was a poor choice to shoot through his windshield while driving. Actually stupid and dangerous. I don't usually criticize another officer for things, as I am aware of the split second decisions that have to be made.

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I watched Riggs and Murtaugh do that all the time in the Lethal Weapon movies :dunno:

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I feel it was a poor choice to shoot through his windshield while driving. Actually stupid and dangerous. I don't usually criticize another officer for things, as I am aware of the split second decisions that have to be made.

Afraid he'd shoot his thumb off?

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As always I don't comment on specific incidents, but... for the most part in a situation where the suspects are wanted for murder... and are shooting at you... you have to take them down... let them go and what cop/citizen or 30... do they kill next time?

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As always I don't comment on specific incidents, but... for the most part in a situation where the suspects are wanted for murder... and are shooting at you... you have to take them down... let them go and what cop/citizen or 30... do they kill next time?

Oh I have zero problem with him shooting them.

 

Just seems like the safer play, both for him and bystanders, would have been to just chase, keep them in view, let the chopper get there. They have to stop sometime.

 

But hey. What he did was certainly brace as hell, and fortunately, no good guys for hurt, so in this case it worked out well.

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As always I don't comment on specific incidents, but... for the most part in a situation where the suspects are wanted for murder... and are shooting at you... you have to take them down... let them go and what cop/citizen or 30... do they kill next time?

 

 

thanks for this insight

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It's never pretty... and most of the time balls to the walls.... your adrenaline reigns supreme. Look up tunnel vision... it's a real thing and really really hard to overcome. You focus so hard on staying alive and keeping the bad guy in your sights... me may not recall quite a bit of that whole thing until after he sees the video. Even then.... he may not recall doing it even though he sees himself do it.

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Libs on here and all over the U.S are defending the criminals. Why is that not surprising. Is it because they are scared of guns?

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Libs on here and all over the U.S are defending the criminals. Why is that not surprising.

Nobody is defending the criminals. People are just questioning whether the methods were the best idea.

 

Im sure this incident will be reviewed. And I imagine the verdict will come down something along the lines of, great job. Youre a hero. Now nobody ever do that sh!t again.

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You would think they could have more high tech microphones so they can use 2 hands

 

very scary there were a good 10 seconds there where he was super vulnerable

 

Yup... maybe something you could key on the steering wheel. That makes a ton of sense. HRmmmmm... engineers?

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People are just questioning whether the methods were the best idea.

 

This is where you have to be really really careful... anyone seeing something in the totality of the the video can armchair quarterback. The question is... was it reasonable in that given point of time... he see's the murder suspect vehicle... starts following it... lights them up with this overhead lights... and they start taking off.... then start shooting at him.

 

Now... what would you do? You have to pursue.... what unfolds after that did so in 4 freaking minutes... 4! From start to finish.... such a short short time to make those life or death decisions from being shot at numerous times...

 

It's something that's really unfair to judge if you're not right there inside... or have been.... or know exact policies... etc....

 

Not defending... just giving my feels on it.

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Libs on here and all over the U.S are defending the criminals. Why is that not surprising. Is it because they are scared of guns?

Bullshit...nobody is defending criminals.

What is up with people like you constantly saying things people arent doing.

Any criticism of police in this doesnt meanthwybare defending the criminals.

Its like this all over the board and elsewhere.

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This is where you have to be really really careful... anyone seeing something in the totality of the the video can armchair quarterback. The question is... was it reasonable in that given point of time... he see's the murder suspect vehicle... starts following it... lights them up with this overhead lights... and they start taking off.... then start shooting at him.

 

Now... what would you do? You have to pursue.... what unfolds after that did so in 4 freaking minutes... 4! From start to finish.... such a short short time to make those life or death decisions from being shot at numerous times...

 

It's something that's really unfair to judge if you're not right there inside... or have been.... or know exact policies... etc....

 

Not defending... just giving my feels on it.

Sure. I get that. But I presume (actually I know) that people look at things like this to determine best practices for training for the future.

 

I think you would agree that while in this case it worked, it was highly dangerous and stood a great chance of seriously injuring himself or a bystander in a collision. Not to mention, the shots through the windshield I would think (not being a marksman myself) probably had an astronomically small chance of hitting the target.

 

Im not even attacking it. Im just saying, I know the upper brass and department lawyers got tight ass holes just watching that, and imagine they will discourage such in the future.

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This is where you have to be really really careful... anyone seeing something in the totality of the the video can armchair quarterback. The question is... was it reasonable in that given point of time... he see's the murder suspect vehicle... starts following it... lights them up with this overhead lights... and they start taking off.... then start shooting at him.

 

Now... what would you do? You have to pursue.... what unfolds after that did so in 4 freaking minutes... 4! From start to finish.... such a short short time to make those life or death decisions from being shot at numerous times...

 

It's something that's really unfair to judge if you're not right there inside... or have been.... or know exact policies... etc....

 

Not defending... just giving my feels on it.

I agree and thats what leads to reviews and added training for situations.

It may have been the only way and thats fine. There are legit concerns with high speed chases and especially shooting like this where the safety of the public gets weighed.

 

And I think most can agree that is what will be done.

 

None of which is defending the criminals.

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I wish it was legal to do that to ass holes driving 55 in the fast lane. :angry:

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Definitely some firepower involved

 

 

The incident began after a man was shot and killed at a car wash at about 7:30 a.m.

Police spotted a black SUV approximately two hours later that matched a description of the one that the two suspects were driving.

From there, police gave chase in the streets close to downtown Las Vegas.

Police said the suspects fired 34 shots at officers before the SUV crashed into an elementary school.

Officers later used “deadly force” to stop Fidel Miranda, the 23-year-old suspect who tried to run away.

Police said Miranda had two guns with him: a .40-calibre Smith and Wesson model SV40VE and a .45-caliber Glock Model 21.

The other suspect, 30-year-old Rene Nunez, was arrested on the school grounds; he was wounded.

Nunez now faces a litany of charges, including open murder with a deadly weapon, attempted murder with a deadly weapon on a protected person, discharging a firearm from a vehicle and carrying a concealed weapon.

Police said his weapon was a nine-millimetre Taurus Model PTa11 G2 that was reported stolen on May 20.

Police went on to say the pair were travellingn in a 2002 Ford Expedition with no plates; it, too, was reported stolen on May 20.

Nunez was listed as a suspect.

 

 

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This is where you have to be really really careful... anyone seeing something in the totality of the the video can armchair quarterback. The question is... was it reasonable in that given point of time... he see's the murder suspect vehicle... starts following it... lights them up with this overhead lights... and they start taking off.... then start shooting at him.

 

Now... what would you do? You have to pursue.... what unfolds after that did so in 4 freaking minutes... 4! From start to finish.... such a short short time to make those life or death decisions from being shot at numerous times...

 

It's something that's really unfair to judge if you're not right there inside... or have been.... or know exact policies... etc....

 

Not defending... just giving my feels on it.

Yeah to me that's what's crazy,all that in a 4 minute span,your mind has to be racing with all the possible scenarios and decision making for each.

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That was focking badazz. Couple things that surprised me though.

 

1) I thought cops didn't fire in public like that?

 

2) They need to get these radios hands free. That dude would have been a lot more efficient and safer if he didn't have to use that stoopid walkie talkie mic.

 

3) You can tell the difference between someone that trains and knows how to shoot and someone who doesn't. The thugs fire and miss. Cop fires and hits sh!t he aims for. While driving a car and holding a focking radio in his hand. Dude got mad skillz.

 

4) Not a gun guy plus got a temper so would make a horrible cop, but would love to do that just one time. Chase someone (that obviously deserves it) then punch their ticket. Would be cool. But that mentality is why I would be a bad cop. I'd definitely have a quick trigger finger.

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Focking Irresponsible A$$hole!!!

 

I'm against pretty much ALL High speed chases as well as opening carelessly opening fire in public. :mad:

An innovative, violent gang of drug dealers is exploiting the Milwaukee Police Departments on vehicle pursuits and other rules as they feed an incessant hunger for heroin across southeastern Wisconsin and contribute to a surging number of murders in the city...

This is completely and totally unacceptable!

The article reveals that the no pursuit policy is fueling a thriving mobile drug trade in Milwaukee, where heroin and cocaine dealers can make up to $11,000 per day just by driving around and making transactions from vehicles. The vehicles offer a safe haven of sorts, specifically because of the no pursuit policy.

The article notes specifically how the no pursuit-aided mobile drug trade boon also brings with it associated violence including robberies, shootings and homicides. Sources say many individuals are coming up from Chicago to spread their poison and to commit crimes.

http://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/Groups/ccCouncil/2015-PDF/NewsReleases/District08/08-TimetorescindMPDnopursuitpolicy3.pdf

 

 

I agree, he should not have been shooting but you have to chase.

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But he was such a nice boy. Never hurt nobody, he was just on his way to his first day of college. He had a smile everyone loved and always made people laugh.

 

Wait, Fidel Miranda? That doesnt sound black. Forget all that...

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