NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 18, 2018 http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-administration-moves-to-ban-sale-of-bump-stocks-make-possession-illegal-by-march/ar-BBR81TX?ocid=ientp The Trump administration on Tuesday took first steps to ban the sale of bump stocks on semi-automatic weapons and has made them illegal to possess beginning in late March. Bump stocks, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly like automatic firearms, have come under increasing scrutiny after they were used in October 2017 when a man opened fired from his Las Vegas hotel suite into a crowd at a country music concert below, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. “Following the mass shooting in Las Vegas, ATF received correspondence from members of the United States Congress, as well as nongovernmental organizations, requesting that ATF examine its past classifications and determine whether bump-stock type devices available on the market constitute machineguns under the statutory definition,” the regulation, which was signed by Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker on Tuesday morning, noted. It continued: “The Department decided to move forward with the rulemaking process to clarify the meaning of these terms, which are used in the NFA's (National Firearms Act) statutory definition of ‘machinegun.’” The regulation will go into effect 90 days after it is formally published in the Federal Register, which is expected to happen on Friday, a Justice Department official said. People who own bump stocks will be required to either surrender them to the ATF or destroy them by late March, the official said. The change has undergone a legal review and the Justice Department and ATF are ready to fight any legal challenge that may be brought, the official added. In March, President Donald Trump said his administration would "ban" the devices, which he said "turn legal weapons into illegal machines." Shortly after the president's comments, the Justice Department announced that it had started the process to amend federal firearms regulations to define bump stocks as machine guns. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sought public comment on the proposal, drawing more than 35,000 comments. The amended regulations reverse a 2010 ATF decision that found bump stocks did not amount to machine guns and could not be regulated unless Congress changed existing firearms law or passed a new one. In the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, there was a growing push by some members of Congress to ban bump stocks, but no legislation was passed. At least 10 states have sought their own restrictions on the devices. Police said the gunman in the Las Vegas massacre, Stephen Paddock, fired for more than 10 minutes using multiple weapons outfitted with target scopes and bump stocks. Paddock fatally shot himself after the shooting and there were 23 assault-style weapons, including 14 fitted with rapid-fire bump stock devices, strewn about the room near his body on the floor of his 32nd-floor hotel suite at the Mandalay Bay casino-hotel. The largest manufacturer of bump stocks, Slide Fire Solutions, announced in April that it was going to stop taking orders and shutting down its website. The remaining stock of the devices is now being sold by another company, RW Arms, based in Fort Worth, Texas. And so it begins. The destruction of the 2nd Amendment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,285 Posted December 18, 2018 Fake news.I dont see it on CNN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 18, 2018 http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-rights-group-to-sue-trump-administration-over-bump-stock-ban/ar-BBR8QeL?ocid=ientp Gun Owners of America, a pro-gun rights political advocacy organization, announced Tuesday that it will file a legal challenge to the Trump administration’s ban on the sale and possession of bump stocks, which was announced just hours earlier. Acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker issued a final rule change Tuesday that expanded the definition of an illegal machine gun under federal law to include devices that, when affixed to semi-automatic weapons, increase their rate of fire to mimic that of a fully-automatic weapon. Individuals in possession of bump stocks have 90 days to destroy or turn them over to law enforcement before the amended regulation takes effect. “As written, this case has important implications for gun owners since, in the coming days, an estimated half a million bump stock owners will have the difficult decision of either destroying or surrendering their valuable property — or else risk felony prosecution,” Erich Pratt, Gun Owners of America executive director, said in a statement. The rule change reverses a 2010 determination by Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms officials that bump stocks could not be prohibited under the 1934 federal law outlawing machine guns. Those officials ruled that Congress would have to pass separate legislation if they wanted the devices outlawed. “ATF’s claim that it can rewrite Congressional law cannot pass legal muster. Agencies are not free to rewrite laws under the guise of ‘interpretation’ of a statute, especially where the law’s meaning is clear,” Pratt added. The bump stock, a previously obscure device known only to gun enthusiasts, was thrust to the center of the national gun control debate in October 2017 after Stephen Paddock used a number of them to carry out the deadliest mass shooting America’s history. Paddock murdered 58 concertgoers from his perch in a Las Vegas hotel room and was later found dead by suicide, surrounded by 23 rifles, 14 of which were fitted with bump stocks. Fight the Good Fight GOA Time for the NRA to step up also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,595 Posted December 18, 2018 Fock that. Bump stocks have no place in people's hands. Good job DT 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted December 18, 2018 Because guns kill people... People have no business having cars that go over 80 MPH... MAGA... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 18, 2018 Fock that. Bump stocks have no place in people's hands. Good job DT Snowflake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted December 18, 2018 Because guns kill people... People have no business having cars that go over 80 MPH... MAGA... Trump gives this snowflake a piece of what the left wants and you argue the other side of it. Sorry your ice cream is cold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 18, 2018 If this is so important, let congress do their job and re-write the law. Huge overstep by this administration. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted December 18, 2018 Trump gives this snowflake a piece of what the left wants and you argue the other side of it. Sorry your ice cream is cold. I'm not on either side. You're both part of the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 18, 2018 Fock that. Bump stocks have no place in people's hands. Good job DT This Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted December 18, 2018 Good move Trump. I support him here. Maybe I will vote for him in 2020. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,878 Posted December 18, 2018 Good move Trump. I support him here. Maybe I will vote for him in 2020. Agreed. Except for the last part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,082 Posted December 18, 2018 Trump is by all accounts a very moderate Republican. His ultra Type A personality, his un PC style, his being "uncouth" at times gets in the way and liberals lose their minds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted December 18, 2018 Get over it, theres no need for bump stocks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted December 18, 2018 If this is so important, let congress do their job and re-write the law so lobbiests can dig their claws in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted December 18, 2018 Unequivocally America is better today than it was yesterday. Well done Trump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,479 Posted December 18, 2018 And Obama’s legacy continues to unravel... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted December 18, 2018 I'm not on either side. You're both part of the problem. Sure you are. You're clearly on the opposing side of Trump despite the topic. TDS is strong in this one.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted December 19, 2018 Sure you are. You're clearly on the opposing side of Trump despite the topic. TDS is strong in this one.... Ive always been a strong 2A guy. Im generally on the opposing side of Trump, because hes a moron. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted December 19, 2018 Also this wont really affect much. Banning something doesnt mean bad guys cant get them or use them. Private owners are required to turn them in or destroy them but they wont, they will just use them privately. A kid who wants to go nuts and use his dads rifle will still do it. This just means people have to buy them on black markets rather than regular stores. But its a good message from the administration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566 Posted December 19, 2018 perfectly fine with this as a gun loving right wing nutbag 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted December 19, 2018 perfectly fine with this as a gun loving right wing nutbag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 19, 2018 Over reach of power. It's bullshiet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,478 Posted December 19, 2018 I'm more concerned with Andie Cuomo's idea to require expensive insurance for gun owners. He can suck my dikk. I'll become a criminal before I pay his unconstitutional fees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 19, 2018 This device is merely an attempt to circumvent the existing ban on automatic weapons. Anyone who is cool with this is a loon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,736 Posted December 19, 2018 This device is merely an attempt to circumvent the existing ban on automatic weapons. Anyone who is cool with this is a loon. Adapt and overcome. Now you hate Marines? You're virtue signaling, real attractive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 19, 2018 Slippery slope. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted December 19, 2018 Slippery slope. Didnt think about that. Whats next? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,220 Posted December 19, 2018 Im perfectly ok with this, but I was also fine with same sex marriage and look what that has transcended into with all the gender bullshiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,595 Posted December 19, 2018 Im perfectly ok with this, but I was also fine with same sex marriage and look what that has transcended into with all the gender bullshiot. Valid point. Still want the banned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 19, 2018 Valid point. Still want the banned. Then let Congress pass a law. How would you feel if obama did this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,595 Posted December 19, 2018 Then let Congress pass a law. How would you feel if obama did this? Fine. There are some things that are ridiculous. Bump stocks are one of them. Besides, it's. not even a gun or something necessary for a gun to operate. It's an add on, not part of the original manufacturing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 313 Posted December 19, 2018 Bump stocks aren't that big of an issue for me, or I would assume, for most gun owners. However, legislation by fiat, is a huge problem and anybody with half a brain cell should be concerned. That being said, you should not be able to make laws based on executive fiat. Trump is wrong on this one, and I do NOT support him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted December 19, 2018 Bump stocks aren't that big of an issue for me, or I would assume, for most gun owners. However, legislation by fiat, is a huge problem and anybody with half a brain cell should be concerned. That being said, you should not be able to make laws based on executive fiat. Trump is wrong on this one, and I do NOT support him. Finally another sane poster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 19, 2018 Bump stocks aren't that big of an issue for me, or I would assume, for most gun owners. However, legislation by fiat, is a huge problem and anybody with half a brain cell should be concerned. That being said, you should not be able to make laws based on executive fiat. Trump is wrong on this one, and I do NOT support him. I'll give you the procedural/constitutional argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 313 Posted December 19, 2018 I'll give you the procedural/constitutional argument. Thank you for being pragmatic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,595 Posted December 19, 2018 I'm much more pissed about this prison reform bill he's about to sign. I doubt I will vote for him next time after he does. Total pandering BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted December 19, 2018 Look over there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,172 Posted December 19, 2018 Agreed. Except for the last part. Maybe Gary Johnson will run again so you can throw your vote away again. Then let Congress pass a law. How would you feel if obama did this? Agreed, this should go through Congress. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites