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#81 SenatorRock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 01:22 AM

I can't believe people here are acting like DeDe Westbrook (or even Corey Davis) are going to be high level producers right off the bat, if ever.

 

Really strange.   :dunno:

I don't know if it was this thread or somewhere else but I even saw an OBJ comparison..... Miss the first half of the rookie season and then come out and set the NFL on fire. 

 

I'll admit I never heard of the guy before this thread, don't really keep up with college football, but it sounds like based on his college career, pro day, and preseason he should be one of the top rookie receivers this season, prior to the injury. Bortles isn't anything to get excited about, but you could say the same for Eli. Both can launch the ball and rack up garbage time points. I'm willing to gamble on DeDe as a bench warmer for a few weeks to see how things shake out. With Robinson on IR and Hurns and Lee both inconsistent there is an opportunity to steal targets. And with a healthy Fournette keeping the chains moving downfield, the Jags should have a decent number of redzone opportunities (not to mention one on one coverage for DeDe) going forward. 

 

Plus, everyone needs at least one Jags receiver on their roster. It is tradition. 



#82 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:45 AM

I just want to say...Dede's player picture looks like a Madden Football digital player picture for a made up player. Not ripping on him, just saying.

 

https://sports.yahoo.../players/30223/



#83 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:46 AM

Marqise Lee (knee) is not expected to practice Thursday.

It is his second missed practice in a row, which would usually make a player doubtful, but Lee did the exact same thing before playing Week 7. This is more concerning coming out of the bye, and the Jaguars could decide to rest Lee with Dede Westbrook expected back this week. His participation on Friday should tell the story.


#84 TBayXXXVII

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:48 AM

Bortles.

 

This.



#85 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:55 AM

 

This.

 

What?



#86 cavern

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:59 AM

i guess he's saying bortles reduces westbrook's value (or renders him useless).  not sure i agree



#87 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:03 AM

i guess he's saying bortles reduces westbrook's value (or renders him useless).  not sure i agree

 

Yeah, I don't get it. Bortles can't support a WR3? A Bortles WR can't be more valuable than the WRs on my waiver wire (top scorers there: D Thompson, JJ Nelson, B Coleman, P Cooper)?



#88 TBayXXXVII

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:07 AM

 

What?

 

Bortles.  As long as Bortles is there, no WR is fantasy relevant.



#89 Brutal Brutus

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:13 AM

When I said Bortles, I was referring to the question of, if he's on the same level of Davis, Doctson, etc. In my opinion Mariota and Cousins both are better than Bortles and should be factored into his potential value. That being said, I grabbed Westbrook, so I clearly think there's some potential there, I just see his ceiling being lower and less consistent than the others. No receiver has been relevant with Bortles since Allen Robinson two years ago, so there's clearly a hurdle to over come. 



#90 TBayXXXVII

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

 

Yeah, I don't get it. Bortles can't support a WR3? A Bortles WR can't be more valuable than the WRs on my waiver wire (top scorers there: D Thompson, JJ Nelson, B Coleman, P Cooper)?

 

No, a Bortles WR can not be more valuable that a WR3.  Between Lee and Hurns, they have a combined 13 games where they scored scored 11.2 points or less in 9 of them where 6 were single digits.  You think with a 3rd guy now in the mix that number gets better?  It's only going to make it worse.



#91 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:01 PM

 
No, a Bortles WR can not be more valuable that a WR3.  Between Lee and Hurns, they have a combined 13 games where they scored scored 11.2 points or less in 9 of them where 6 were single digits.  You think with a 3rd guy now in the mix that number gets better?  It's only going to make it worse.


Lee is hurt, and Dede may be better than either of them. How many points are you asking for from a WR3?

Are you going to day confidently that Doctson will outscore him? Cause that's the best other option I have this week.

#92 TBayXXXVII

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:05 PM

Lee is hurt, and Dede may be better than either of them. How many points are you asking for from a WR3?

Are you going to day confidently that Doctson will outscore him? Cause that's the best other option I have this week.

 

I'd start Doctson.



#93 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:08 PM

 
I'd start Doctson.


I am so far this week too. But my question is, moving forward, are you saying with confidence that Doctson will outscore Dede? Doctson of the three targets per game. Doctson of the 1/1/1 line last week. Doesn't take much from Dede and Bortles to match that.

#94 TBayXXXVII

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:10 PM

I am so far this week too. But my question is, moving forward, are you saying with confidence that Doctson will outscore Dede? Doctson of the three targets per game. Doctson of the 1/1/1 line last week. Doesn't take much from Dede and Bortles to match that.

 

I'd start Doctson (not trying to be redundant... but)



#95 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:32 PM

 
I'd start Doctson (not trying to be redundant... but)


But not wanting to commit to saying he'll outplay Dede :) That's cool, that's where I'm at too. It's why I have them both and am starting Doc at the mo.

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:42 PM

I think washington wants to get Doctson more involved, but he doesn't seem to be on the same page with cousins, so he's relegated to catching jump balls in the endzone.

Like most teams, the Redskins seem to have a route tree predicated on reading the defense and adjusting to the correct route. I noticed a few times this season where it looked like cousins was expecting doctson to break off his route one way or the other and he just keeps running, so it looks like cousins is just throwing the ball to no one.

Until he fixes that, Cousins won't trust him because he's throwing the ball before Doctson is even suppose to break. If Doctson doesn't break or if he gets into a break when he isn't supposed to, that's a pick alot of times.

#97 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:44 PM

I think washington wants to get Doctson more involved, but he doesn't seem to be on the same page with cousins, so he's relegated to catching jump balls in the endzone.

Like most teams, the Redskins seem to have a route tree predicated on reading the defense and adjusting to the correct route. I noticed a few times this season where it looked like cousins was expecting doctson to break off his route one way or the other and he just keeps running, so it looks like cousins is just throwing the ball to no one.

Until he fixes that, Cousins won't trust him because he's throwing the ball before Doctson is even suppose to break. If Doctson doesn't break or if he gets into a break when he isn't supposed to, that's a pick alot of times.


Interesting analysis, thanks for that. Do. You think Washington's looking hard to land a WR on trade day is an indication of anything?

#98 Johnny B. Goode

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 06:43 PM

Got sucked into the hype, benched Robby Anderson tonight for Dede.

Not with confidence

#99 snatchit

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 07:05 PM

I am thinking about benching Jefferys against Den for him. Sounds like he will be on the field a lot



#100 American Chewy

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 07:09 PM

jacksonville is a different team this year.  ball control and play defense.  they've hid bortles as much as possible.  unless you expect a gamescript where they will be trailing by double digits late i can't see them supporting a wr who is much more than a wr3/flex. 

 

remaining schedule:

Cincy

Chargers

@browns

@ariz

indy

seattle

texans

@49ers

 

great schedule of mediocre pass defenses, but how many of those games do you think they will even need to pass the ball?  maybe seattle?  and thats arguably the toughest pass defense they face. 

 

Note: I dont have westbrook...i let him clear waivers this week and sit out there a few days till another team finally grabbed him today (team that had garcon grabbed him).  Maybe i'll be wrong and regret it but I can't see using him over my other wr's (crabtree/benjamin/r.anderson).



#101 Johnny B. Goode

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 07:23 PM

I think Bortles has earned a little more trust from the coaching staff. I also think they know they can't hide Bortles all season if they're serious about making noise in the playoffs.

It'll still be a run-first offense, but I'm guessing they want to see if DeDe can take this offense to another level.

#102 Challenger

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 07:40 PM

A 180 pounds speedster, that's a 24 years old rookie joining a run first offense. I don't get the appeals, but good luck to everyone. 



#103 Gepetto

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:00 PM

He's still a free agent in my league, as is Corey Davis, and I just cut Josh Doctson, and we start up to 5 WRs and have 200 players rostered in our league.  I mean they're on my watch list but that's it.  I have 7 WRs with 3 on bye this week.  And I have 2 extra defenses and an extra IDP on my bench.  What I'm saying is these guys haven't done sh!t in the NFL and I can't believe people are starting them.



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:02 PM

A 180 pounds speedster, that's a 24 years old rookie joining a run first offense. I don't get the appeals, but good luck to everyone. 

 

Yes, this.  I'm not interested in skinny speedsters without NFL experience (or even with a lot sometimes, Marvin Harrison and TY Hilton being exceptions).



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:06 PM

 

Yes, this.  I'm not interested in skinny speedsters without NFL experience (or even with a lot of times, Marvin Harrison and TY Hilton being exceptions).

get back with us after this week



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:08 PM

He's still a free agent in my league, as is Corey Davis, and I just cut Josh Doctson, and we start up to 5 WRs and have 200 players rostered in our league.  I mean they're on my watch list but that's it.  I have 7 WRs with 3 on bye this week.  And I have 2 extra defenses and an extra IDP on my bench.  What I'm saying is these guys haven't done sh!t in the NFL and I can't believe people are starting them.

 

 

In my league, we roster 180 players, and all 3 or rostered.  Do you start 3 IDPs or something?



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:10 PM

I sure as hell wouldn't be rostering 3 defenses over any of Corey Davis, Doctson, or Dede Westbrook.

 

You obviously have some crazy defensive scoring if people are doing that in your league.



#108 Bobbyn2022

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:14 PM

Thinking about dropping Mixion or Henery for DEDE I need a WR bad.

#109 snatchit

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:15 PM

Thinking about dropping Mixion or Henery for DEDE I need a WR bad.

Mixon ????????????????????????????????? that's a good one



#110 Challenger

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:15 PM

Thinking about dropping Mixion or Henery for DEDE I need a WR bad.

 

You should be able get better WR trading those two. 



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:08 PM

 

 

In my league, we roster 180 players, and all 3 or rostered.  Do you start 3 IDPs or something?

 

Just one but Bobby Wagner missed practice the last 2 days and I don't want to cut him.  And we do start 2 defenses and I have both Eagles and Chiefs on bye next week and wanted to get the last 2 defenses with good matchups week 10 and in the playoff weeks on my team (Bears and Packers).  I think some in my league are a little slow to cut players they should give up on by now though.



#112 Gepetto

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:10 PM

I sure as hell wouldn't be rostering 3 defenses over any of Corey Davis, Doctson, or Dede Westbrook.

 

You obviously have some crazy defensive scoring if people are doing that in your league.

 

We do, if you start a poor defense against a good offense you can get negative points as the other team scores points and accumulates yards.  Also, I don't need them, I have 7 WRs and they are Brandin Cooks, Michael Thomas, Adam Thielen, Stefon Diggs, DeSean Jackson, Devante Parker, and Will Fuller.



#113 brotherbock

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:22 PM

In my league we start 7000 WRs and 120.5 RBs and we actually asked Yahoo to remove Dede from our free agent pool so no one could pick him up.

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:22 PM

In my league we start 7000 WRs and 120.5 RBs and we actually asked Yahoo to remove Dede from our free agent pool so no one could pick him up.

:thumbsup:



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 11:06 PM

Got sucked into the hype, benched Robby Anderson tonight for Dede.

Not with confidence

 

Man, I hate it when that happens. Hopefully, DeDe will do something for you. I am the engineer on the Westbrook train.....but let's not get carried away his first game back.


I feel my football knowledge is vastly superior to my opponents. I also am just in general, a smarter person. These two things should allow me a huge advantage. But I've yet to be truly dominant.


#116 SexyRexy

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 06:32 AM

Ive been clamoring for dede all year. Should I start dede over Watkins? Im torn.

#117 Johnny B. Goode

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 06:56 AM

 

Man, I hate it when that happens. Hopefully, DeDe will do something for you. I am the engineer on the Westbrook train.....but let's not get carried away his first game back.

 

I thought the Bills defense was going to be tougher on Robby Anderson and the Jets.  :doh:



#118 Challenger

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:05 AM

So everyone is moving away from the conventional FF wisdom that 3rd year is the breakout year for WRs? 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:08 AM

So everyone is moving away from the conventional FF wisdom that 3rd year is the breakout year for WRs? 

I have. What 3rd year wide receiver has really broken out this year, and improved from where he was a year ago? The only ones you can make an argument for are Agholor and Diggs. I'd say everyone else is pretty much who they were last year. The way college and even high schools run their offenses, wide receivers are coming into the league with a lot more experience than ever before.  Early round draft picks are expected to make an immediate impact. It's gotten to the point where if they haven't done anything by year three, they're more of a bust candidate than a breakout. 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 04:14 PM

I really wanna start dede. Someone stop me.