Examples of voter fraud, you know the problem that doesn't exist.

[posty 2,296]

tilted, happens all the time

Yep, very true...

[drobeski 3,061]

https://d1sb17b1leotpq.cloudfront.net/rigging-election--video-ii-mass-voter-fraud.html

[giraldi02 470]

https://d1sb17b1leotpq.cloudfront.net/rigging-election--video-ii-mass-voter-fraud.html

Embed it so everyone can see.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

Embed it so everyone can see.

 

 

the Clinton puppies will ignore it, willful ignorance is better for their feelings.

[Frank M 181]

Believing that voter fraud is going to account for the millions of votes that he is going to lose by is one way to go, I guess.

 

 

It makes as much sense as the media or polling rigging the election.

 

To Trump supporters, I mean.

[giraldi02 470]

Believing that voter fraud is going to account for the millions of votes that he is going to lose by is one way to go, I guess.

 

 

It makes as much sense as the media or polling rigging the election.

 

To Trump supporters, I mean.

 

You do realize that congressional and local elections are also referenced in this right?

 

[Big Guy 1,400]

What we've learned through this process.......

 

Our Federal Government (both sides) is completely corrupt & needs to be stopped at all cost!!!

[Cdub100 3,369]

It's pretty sad really:

Lib - Show me where voter fraud happens

 

Rep - I can't because the way our laws are set up it's almost impossible to prove it. However, here is a video of high ranking official in the Dem party that explains exactly how they do it, and they way they don't get caught.

 

Lib - Doesn't matter Trump is going to lose by millions of votes.

 

Look either you care your vote matters or you don't. If you don't we shouldn't even have an election.

[giraldi02 470]

 

Look either you care your vote matters or you don't. If you don't we shouldn't even have an election.

This. So much of this.

 

It's the very fabric of this country. One person one vote.

 

To have anything interfering with that process, whether it's one person, a thousand people, an entire country is too many. Sadly, everyone is far to partisan nowadays to even consider a source of information that doesn't tow the line of what they believe. Honestly, it's focking disgusting.

 

 

[drobeski 3,061]

This. So much of this.

 

It's the very fabric of this country. One person one vote.

 

To have anything interfering with that process, whether it's one person, a thousand people, an entire country is too many. Sadly, everyone is far to partisan nowadays to even consider a source of information that doesn't tow the line of what they believe. Honestly, it's focking disgusting.

 

 

racist

[drobeski 3,061]

It's pretty sad really:

Lib - Show me where voter fraud happens

 

Rep - I can't because the way our laws are set up it's almost impossible to prove it. However, here is a video of high ranking official in the Dem party that explains exactly how they do it, and they way they don't get caught.

 

Lib - Doesn't matter Trump is going to lose by millions of votes.

 

Look either you care your vote matters or you don't. If you don't we shouldn't even have an election.

racist

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

Believing that voter fraud is going to account for the millions of votes that he is going to lose by is one way to go, I guess.

 

 

It makes as much sense as the media or polling rigging the election.

 

To Trump supporters, I mean.

That's awesome. How you could miss the point by as much as you did, and then post as confidently as you did is a testament to your self assuredness. Bravo.

[Big Guy 1,400]

It's pretty sad really:

Lib - Show me where voter fraud happens

 

Rep - I can't because the way our laws are set up it's almost impossible to prove it. However, here is a video of high ranking official in the Dem party that explains exactly how they do it, and they way they don't get caught.

 

Lib - Doesn't matter Trump is going to lose by millions of votes.

 

Look either you care your vote matters or you don't. If you don't we shouldn't even have an election.

 

[Frank M 181]

That's awesome. How you could miss the point by as much as you did, and then post as confidently as you did is a testament to your self assuredness. Bravo.

I'll go by the studies that show voter fraud is a miniscule problem. You can go by couple videos posted to the internet by people with an obvious bias.

[Cdub100 3,369]

I'll go by the studies that show voter fraud is a miniscule problem. You can go by couple videos posted to the internet by people with an obvious bias.

 

Yup that's what I'm going to go by. I'm going to use the video that lays out step by step on how they do it. From the states they do it in Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin to how they give these people fake jobs and rental cars. I'm going to use the video where these high ranking Dems say they know excatly how to commit voter fraud and not get caught

 

These are not stupid people. Evil maybe, but not stupid. If it didn't help they wouldn't put all that effort into it.

 

You go ahead and use the studies that can't or wont detect they ways they commit this crime.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

 

Yup that's what I'm going to go by. I'm going to use the video that lays out step by step on how they do it. From the states they do it in Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin to how they give these people fake jobs and rental cars. I'm going to use the video where these high ranking Dems say they know excatly how to commit voter fraud and not get caught

 

These are not stupid people. Evil maybe, but not stupid. If it didn't help they wouldn't put all that effort into it.

 

You go ahead and use the studies that can't or wont detect they ways they commit this crime.

Studies are to be taken seriously, but video of them laying it out is to be dismissed. Got it.

[Cdub100 3,369]

Studies are to be taken seriously, but video of them laying it out is to be dismissed. Got it.

 

Can we get CNN here to tell us what to think?

[Frank M 181]

 

Yup that's what I'm going to go by. I'm going to use the video that lays out step by step on how they do it. From the states they do it in Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin to how they give these people fake jobs and rental cars. I'm going to use the video where these high ranking Dems say they know excatly how to commit voter fraud and not get caught

 

These are not stupid people. Evil maybe, but not stupid. If it didn't help they wouldn't put all that effort into it.

 

You go ahead and use the studies that can't or wont detect they ways they commit this crime.

 

I'm not surprised, since you're an angry, unintelligent Trumptard.

 

[Cdub100 3,369]

 

I'm not surprised, since you're an angry, unintelligent Trumptard.

 

 

You forgot to call me a racist, bigot and all those other talking points. Please, go ahead. I know it helps you feel better about yourself.

[drobeski 3,061]

Thousands of examples laid out in this thread.

It's safe to say the false cry of racism regarding voter ID laws is just another excuse for the Democrats being allowed to cheat.

 

Why don't they just go ahead and change the democrat party name to dirt bags. Because if you are a democratic and support cheating, you are without a doubt a dirtbag.

[Frank M 181]

 

You forgot to call me a racist, bigot and all those other talking points. Please, go ahead. I know it helps you feel better about yourself.

 

I feel great about myself, don't need to point anything out other than what you put out here, which is you're irrationally angry, not too bright, and you're backing the worst presidential candidate in the history of American politics.

 

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

 

Yup that's what I'm going to go by. I'm going to use the video that lays out step by step on how they do it. From the states they do it in Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin to how they give these people fake jobs and rental cars. I'm going to use the video where these high ranking Dems say they know excatly how to commit voter fraud and not get caught

 

These are not stupid people. Evil maybe, but not stupid. If it didn't help they wouldn't put all that effort into it.

 

You go ahead and use the studies that can't or wont detect they ways they commit this crime.

 

So to confirm your belief that voter fraud exists, you are relying on a man who has agreed to pay 100,000 dollars for selectively editing and manipulating recordings to present ACORN in a fraudulent way. A man who repeatedly has been proven to edit his videos to mislead or intentionally lie. This is where you are going to set up camp.

 

Good plan.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

So to confirm your belief that voter fraud exists, you are relying on a man who has agreed to pay 100,000 dollars for selectively editing and manipulating recordings to present ACORN in a fraudulent way. A man who repeatedly has been proven to edit his videos to mislead or intentionally lie. This is where you are going to set up camp.

 

Good plan.

what happened to acorn ?

[Frank M 181]

 

So to confirm your belief that voter fraud exists, you are relying on a man who has agreed to pay 100,000 dollars for selectively editing and manipulating recordings to present ACORN in a fraudulent way. A man who repeatedly has been proven to edit his videos to mislead or intentionally lie. This is where you are going to set up camp.

 

Good plan.

 

They're all setting up camp in places like this. Trump has turned ever Republican into a conspiracy theorist.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

Thousands of examples laid out in this thread.

It's safe to say the false cry of racism regarding voter ID laws is just another excuse for the Democrats being allowed to cheat.

 

Why don't they just go ahead and change the democrat party name to dirt bags. Because if you are a democratic and support cheating, you are without a doubt a dirtbag.

Tilt!

[parrot 789]

From the states they do it in Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin

 

Indiana - Republican Governor/Lt Governor, State Senate and House both Republican controlled, one Republican Senator one Democrat, seven Republican Representatives two Democrats.

 

Michigan - Republican Governor/Lt Governor, State Senate and House both Republican controlled, two Democrat Senators, nine Republican Representatives five Democrats.

 

Wisconsin - Republican Governor/Lt Governor, State Senate and House both Republican controlled, one Republican Senator one Democrat, five Republican Representatives three Democrats.

 

Someone really should tell these Democrat election fixers they're doing it wrong.

 

[Frank M 181]

 

Indiana - Republican Governor/Lt Governor, State Senate and House both Republican controlled, one Republican Senator one Democrat, seven Republican Representatives two Democrats.

 

Michigan - Republican Governor/Lt Governor, State Senate and House both Republican controlled, two Democrat Senators, nine Republican Representatives five Democrats.

 

Wisconsin - Republican Governor/Lt Governor, State Senate and House both Republican controlled, one Republican Senator one Democrat, five Republican Representatives three Democrats.

 

Someone really should tell these Democrat election fixers they're doing it wrong.

 

 

They're gonna do it right this time and steal the election from somebody. They're sure of it.

[parrot 789]

 

They're gonna do it right this time and steal the election from somebody. They're sure of it.

 

They probably finally secured a big enough fleet of cars to really make it work.

[Reality 2,710]

I guess it's just easier for the left to stick their heads in the sand and ignore this stuff because the ends justify the means in their eyes.

 

For those of you that obviously refuse to watch the video, the Chicago Tribune has it covered for you. I'd suggest reading it..

 

It's pretty focked up.. It's all there for everybody to see, O'keef didn't make these 2 say the stuff they said..

 

Robert Creamer, husband of Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., and Scott Foval -- two little-known but influential Democratic political operatives -- have left their jobs after video investigations by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas Action found them entertaining dark notions about how to win elections.

 

Foval was laid off on Monday by Americans United for Change, where he had been national field director. Creamer announced Tuesday night that he was "stepping back" from the work he was doing for the unified Democratic campaign for Hillary Clinton.

The moves came after 36 hours of coverage, led by conservative and social media, for O'Keefe's video series "Rigging the Election." In them, Foval is filmed telling hidden-camera toting journalists about how they've disrupted Republican events; Foval also goes on at length about how an organization might cover up in-person voter fraud. In another Tuesday night statement, the Creamer-founded Democracy Partners, which used Foval as a contractor, denounced both Project Veritas and the statements caught on camera.

"Our firm has recently been the victim of a well-funded, systematic spy operation that is the modern day equivalent of the Watergate burglars," said the firm. "The plot involved the use of trained operatives using false identifications, disguises and elaborate false covers to infiltrate our firm and others, in order to steal campaign plans, and goad unsuspecting individuals into making careless statements on hidden cameras. One of those individuals was a temporary regional subcontractor who was goaded into statements that do not reflect our values."

Both "scalps," as O'Keefe refers to them, drew new attention to a campaign that had become viewed very skeptically by political reporters. O'Keefe's 2009 sting of ACORN led to the destruction of that group; a 2011 sting of NPR executives led to two resignations. Subsequent investigations found discrepancies between how the undercover journalists approached their targets and how they packaged what the targets said. In the latter case, then-NPR executive Ron Schiller quoted a Republican who viewed Tea Party activists as "racist"; the edited clip made it appear that Schiller himself held that opinion.

Project Veritas and Project Veritas Action — the latter group created to more freely cover political activity — had a more fitfully successful record. In a series of videos, O'Keefe and other journalists posed as registered voters to expose how easy it would be to obtain ballots fraudulently where voter ID was not required. But there were high-profile failures, too. A sting in which a journalist posed as a Canadian citizen and purchased Hillary Clinton campaign merchandise was unveiled at a press conference where the first question was: "Is this a joke?" A mole sent to work for a Democratic campaign in Wisconsin was exposed and fired. A call to the Open Society Foundations, founded by the frequent conservative target, went awry when a Project Veritas journalist left the phone off the hook. The result was shared with New Yorker reporter Jane Mayer.

The result of all that was that the "Rigging the Election" videos got a skeptical reception — at first. But the video of Foval, a Wisconsin-based politico with a long resume, had him bragging about a litany of political dirty tricks. In the first video, he boasts of "conflict engagement in the lines of Trump rallies," takes credit for the violence that canceled a Trump rally at the University of Illinois in Chicago, admits he's paid "mentally ill" people to start trouble, and says there's a "Pony Express" that keeps Democratic operatives in touch, regardless of whether they work for super PACs or the campaigns not permitted to coordinate with super PACs.

In the second video, Foval spends five minutes discussing how voters might be brought from outside Wisconsin to commit voter fraud, buying cars with Wisconsin plates to avoid looking suspicious. "We've been bussing people in to deal with you f---kin' a--holes for fifty years and we're not going to stop now," he says.

Since the video's release, Foval has responded to media requests by saying the video did not deserve attention from "legitimate news organizations." A call to Creamer on Tuesday night went to voicemail. But while neither man is defending the content of the videos, the editing raises questions about what was said and what may come out later.

Foval, who repeatedly ties a noose with his tongue, also seems to overhype his successes. Reporters who covered the Trump UIC appearance found that students, not Americans United for Change, were responsible for the shut down of the Trump rally; the video's evidence to the contrary is that Zulema Rodriguez, an activist paid in February by the DNC, says on tape that she was there and "did that." In the first video, O'Keefe makes much of the term "bird-dogging," which Foval describes as putting people at the front of rope lines to make sure "they're the ones asking questions."

"It's a word we had not heard until we began this investigation," O'Keefe says, noting that the term appears in WikiLeaks e-mails that include Clinton staffers.

But it's not a new term, and certainly not secret. Bird-dogging is a fairly common activist tactic, and reporters often recognize it when seemingly "perfect" questions come from a political audience. In August 2015, Foval told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that People for the American Way, his employer at the time, was "bird-dogging all of" the Republican presidential candidates. What was seen as a nuisance political tactic then becomes, in the video sting, a secretive form of voter/candidate intimidation.

In the "voter fraud" video, Foval looks -- somehow -- even worse, describing how voters could be sent to midwestern states to cast fraudulent ballots. But when PVAction edits this into a narrative, something gets lost. Foval says that "Bob Creamer comes up with a lot of these ideas," but what the "ideas" are is lost to a quick edit. After a quick introduction of Creamer that covers his 2005 conviction for tax evasion, Creamer is seen talking to a journalist posing as a possible donor, rambling a bit as he describes how to get voter IDs to people who need them.

"What do you really need, okay?" says the journalist. "What makes you a citizen? And if you look at that checklist, it's an ID card of any kind that shows you who you are and a pay stub that shows you're getting paid at a local address some place."

"To get registered, you mean?" asks Creamer.

"Yeah," says the journalist. "Let's say I had business inside of, say, Illinois or Michigan, and I hired people, and I had addresses for them, I could write them checks, I could use them as day laborers or whatever and use them and find my way around the voter registration law for Hispanics."

Creamer quickly begins jotting down names of voter registration groups: "There are a couple of different organizations, that's their big trick." But while the implication is that the journalist is pitching mass voter fraud, he never says as much, and Creamer never agrees to it. In another tape, filmed at a restaurant, Creamer hears another version of the pitch and says "my fear is that someone would decide that this is a big voter fraud scheme."

In the end, PVAction's evidence that Creamer might help with a voter fraud scheme is that Foval hints at it. In a follow-up clip, Foval tells the undercover journalist that Creamer was not on board with any scheme to grant ID cards, but that he told Creamer it could be handled by someone else. "We talk about a lot of things we don't talk about," Foval says conspiratorially. In PVAction's telling, the "someone else" might be DREAMer activist Cesar Vargas, who is filmed saying he might be able to help another undercover journalist, if not in 2016.

But Vargas, as of now the only target of these videos who has not lost a job, claims that PVAction left out exculpatory video of the interview. "They have a transcript of our conversation to confirm I told them that voting twice was illegal," Vargas wrote on Facebook on Tuesday. "I will not respond to FOX News or the trolls but let them have their field day of conspiracies."

If that video exists, PVAction is not going to make it easy to watch. In the past, and in the immediate wake of some bad publicity, the group posted the entirety of its video stings online. It no longer does this.

"The reporting process and methods of Project Veritas Action are proven successful and effective and are the protected intellectual property and trade secrets of Project Veritas Action,” said Steve Gordon, a spokesman for the PVAction Fund. “This policy is in accordance with the practices of news organizations globally and is generally accepted as the professional norm.”

But Foval's sacking and Creamer's "stepping back" have already given the Trump campaign the confidence to run with these stories. On Tuesday night's episode of "Hannity" on Fox News, two campaign representatives said that the PVAction tapes validated everything Trump had said about the possible threat of election theft, and called for a hasty FBI investigation into anyone connected to Robert Creamer.

Creamer is the husband of Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill. In 2006, he was sentenced to five months in federal prison for bank fraud and a tax violation.

Creamer was convicted in a check-kiting scheme to keep afloat an Illinois consumer group he had led. A federal prosecutor said Creamer "stole" money from banks in the form of unintended, interest-free loans.

"Once again, Donald Trump was ahead of his time," said Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway. "We see that it goes right to the top."

"The FBI should be opening an investigation into these people right now," said Trump ally and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

 

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-video-sting-democratic-operatives-james-okeefe-20161019-story.html

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

Chicago tribune. Please. You think I'm going to believe them with all their pulitzers and after they endorsed Obama 2x? Nice try there fella.

[crackattack 513]

I don't understand how American citizens just dismiss voter fraud as inconsequential. It gets pushed aside or explained away because it doesn't happen "enough". What's enough? I'd really like to know? To me 1 is to much. Down ballot tickets could absolutely be affected by a small amount of fraudulent votes.

 

There's proof of voter fraud in the thousands. Yet that gets dismissed away. That's not counting the other tens of thousands that probably get away with it since we can't put better/tougher voter laws in place without being called racist. To me, it's completely un-American to not want fair and fraudulent free voting, yet it's id laws and proof of who you say you are that gets called un-American or racist. Seems backwards to me.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

Know anyone who got caught and convicted for stealing cable or downloading movies from the Internet? I guess that doesnt happen either.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

I don't understand how American citizens just dismiss voter fraud as inconsequential. It gets pushed aside or explained away because it doesn't happen "enough". What's enough? I'd really like to know? To me 1 is to much. Down ballot tickets could absolutely be affected by a small amount of fraudulent votes.

 

There's proof of voter fraud in the thousands. Yet that gets dismissed away. That's not counting the other tens of thousands that probably get away with it since we can't put better/tougher voter laws in place without being called racist. To me, it's completely un-American to not want fair and fraudulent free voting, yet it's id laws and proof of who you say you are that gets called un-American or racist. Seems backwards to me.

*sigh*

 

We've been over this a thousand times. Democracy. Heard of it? If you want to restrict people's access to it you better have a very compelling reason.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

*sigh*

 

We've been over this a thousand times. Democracy. Heard of it? If you want to restrict people's access to it you better have a very compelling reason.

Asking for a legit ID is restrictive?

[IGotWorms 3,302]

Asking for a legit ID is restrictive?

Of course it is. Can't argue that point.

 

Now you think the restriction is worth it to curtail a practically non-existent problem. And if it means hundreds of thousands of people who have the right to vote are turned away at the polls, well that's collateral damage you're just willing to live with.

 

Not me though. I cherish democracy

[Frank M 181]

*sigh*

 

We've been over this a thousand times. Democracy. Heard of it? If you want to restrict people's access to it you better have a very compelling reason.

 

But he says there's proof of it in the thousands (even though there's not). That's not compelling enough?

[crackattack 513]

*sigh*

 

We've been over this a thousand times. Democracy. Heard of it? If you want to restrict people's access to it you better have a very compelling reason.

Is voter fraud not a compelling reason? Fair elections is a staple of Democracy right? Make all state id's free. I find it extremely difficult to believe a adult human can't find a way to get an id. You have years in between each election to make time and find a way to get one. The government could help get these people ID's, but everyone should have some form of id.

[crackattack 513]

 

But he says there's proof of it in the thousands (even though there's not). That's not compelling enough?

Here's thousands.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/&ved=0ahUKEwjj95XemOfPAhUSySYKHbmbBNYQFgg1MAg&usg=AFQjCNGVk19dkxhKJr_hSjqgzEcFWqgrmQ&sig2=Iya6cMCUpeCm4ahuSOmwNw

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

 

But he says there's proof of it in the thousands (even though there's not). That's not compelling enough?

Well this is the "where in the USMC manual does it say how to get to the chow hall" moment from A Few Good Men. Remember that? Like I said before, I don't hear too much about people getting convicted of stealing cable, but I think we all know it happens.

[crackattack 513]

Everyone knows it happens right? Let's start with that question first. If the answer is yes, then tougher laws and better regulations need put in place.