Let's Meet John Kasich

[Sho Nuff 719]

You would have to be a complete idiot to think Kasich would even consider getting rid of Obamacare, which is one reason I am not surprised you believe it.

 

I don't think any of them will get rid of it.

They will talk about it...but won't be able to do it.

But you keep claiming something to be true...when the opposite seems true. And you have zero to back up your claims to this point.

[gocolts 300]

 

Obama does have no experience...he is a joke.

I never voted for Obama. (McCain and Gary Johnson).

Sorry.

I knew that you were not an obama guy bro.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I knew that you were not an obama guy bro.

 

Edited my post...first part was supposed to say Trump...not Obama.

Obama had a little bit...not much.

But spoke the way he did and energized the left.

[gocolts 300]

Well, why should someone who is capable of paying for their own insurance have the government pay for it? I think Ted Cruz would agree with that.

I am extremely poor and on disability. This program was suppose to help folks like me. If I did not have Medicare, I would be FOCKED. I am still focked, but not nearly as bad as it could be for folks who make what I make and are not disabled.

[gocolts 300]

 

Cruz has marginally more experience than Obama did. Bucking the establishment...thats pretty funny. Seems he runs in line with the far right of the party.

He won't get the hispanic vote...at least not enough of it.

 

You keep saying Kasich is big government...with zero to back that up.

He expanded Medicaid using Obamacare...does not mean he loves the program. He said he wants to repeal it...but did what he thought was right for his state at the time. I actually respect him more for that (though, not the repeal part...because I think that is a step in the wrong direction...tweak, improve and so on, but spending time and money on repealing would cost a ton)

 

McCain was screwed by 2 things...Palin, and the crap people thought about him after Rove got a hold of him 8 years earlier. Add in the left being energized by Obama and had zero shot. Romney was the sacrificial lamb...never had a shot and I wouldn't even vote for him. Hardly a real moderate either.

 

The quote you had on illegals is your problem? Do you want them to hunt people down in neighborhoods like that?

 

haha

I have posted non stop as to why this guy sucks and is big government.

 

No, I do not want to hunt them down. We do not have to hunt them down. My whole point is I have seen enough from establishment GOP to know when they say something like this, deflecting, I know that means they will not do shtt.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

I am extremely poor and on disability. This program was suppose to help folks like me. If I did not have Medicare, I would be FOCKED. I am still focked, but not nearly as bad as it could be for folks who make what I make and are not disabled.

Do you not realize that Ted Cruz and conservatives despise programs like Medicare? They would rather you just go away than have to acknowledge that people in your situation exist.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I have posted non stop as to why this guy sucks and is big government.

 

No, I do not want to hunt them down. We do not have to hunt them down. My whole point is I have seen enough from establishment GOP to know when they say something like this, deflecting, I know that means they will not do shtt.

 

You have posted often claiming he is big government....but have brought nothing to support it.

 

Cruz is no different than the others. He is a politician saying what he thinks gives him the best chance to get elected.

[gocolts 300]

Do you not realize that Ted Cruz and conservatives despise programs like Medicare? They would rather you just go away than have to acknowledge that people in your situation exist.

Nope, not at all. You must not read all my posts. I already stated I do what is best for my country, not me personally. I am more concerned about my son and what he will have to deal with.

 

Just because I became disabled does not mean I throw out all my convictions.

[gocolts 300]

 

You have posted often claiming he is big government....but have brought nothing to support it.

 

Cruz is no different than the others. He is a politician saying what he thinks gives him the best chance to get elected.

Cruz is FAR different. Hell, didn't Boehner just call him a jackass or some shtt today. The establishment GOP HATES Cruz and conservatives and have proved it for several years now.

 

Kasich is big government kind of guy and I already showed that with his support of the ACA and expanding Medicaid in his state with it. He also wants a pathway to citizenship for the illegals which tells me he is just like most Big government types. He has increased spending in his state BIG time. He tried to raise income taxes and when that failed, he just increased taxes other ways. He is for big government. He reminds me of Dubya, which is why it is so shocking seeing everyone fall in love with this guy.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Cruz is FAR different. Hell, didn't Boehner just call him a jackass or some shtt today. The establishment GOP HATES Cruz and conservatives and have proved it for several years now.

 

Kasich is big government kind of guy and I already showed that with his support of the ACA and expanding Medicaid in his state with it. He also wants a pathway to citizenship for the illegals which tells me he is just like most Big government types. He has increased spending in his state BIG time. He tried to raise income taxes and when that failed, he just increased taxes other ways. He is for big government. He reminds me of Dubya, which is why it is so shocking seeing everyone fall in love with this guy.

 

He has not supported ACA...but did expand Medicaid in his state. That one thing does not = big government.

He is nothing like W.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

Nope, not at all. You must not read all my posts. I already stated I do what is best for my country, not me personally. I am more concerned about my son and what he will have to deal with.

 

Just because I became disabled does not mean I throw out all my convictions.

What if unfortunately your son ends up in need of assistance and the likes of Ted Cruz have been in charge? I think you would be better served being concerned about your son if something goes wrong in his life, like becoming disabled. If, hopefully, everything works out, it probably won't matter who's in charge. Able bodied men who give some sort of effort tend to do ok.

[gocolts 300]

 

He has not supported ACA...but did expand Medicaid in his state. That one thing does not = big government.

He is nothing like W.

That ONE thing does not, you are right, that is why I mentioned a few other things.

[Frank M 181]

Again: Tea Party Republicans are unelectable. Ted Cruz will not become president. Only moderates like Kasich will attract the swing votes needed to win the election.

 

The problem with the Ted Cruz supporters' line of thinking is that they believe that the things they (the radical fringe right) want will actually come true if he is elected. They are going to be sorely disappointed. Pouting and shutting down the government like Cruz did in the past is not an option as President, not that it worked out for him as a senator, either.

 

Obamacare will not be repealed. Illegals will not be deported in any significant numbers. Abortion will not end. The debt will not go down significantly. Government handouts will not disappear.

 

You take what you can get. At least with someone who is electable, like Kasich is, you can get some of what you want. Nobody gets the whole pie. The radical right's delusion is that they can if only they elect the right person.

[gocolts 300]

What if unfortunately your son ends up in need of assistance and the likes of Ted Cruz have been in charge? I think you would be better served being concerned about your son if something goes wrong in his life, like becoming disabled. If, hopefully, everything works out, it probably won't matter who's in charge. Able bodied men who give some sort of effort tend to do ok.

 

I am more concerned with him having opportunities than becoming disabled. In fact, I am going to GREAT lengths to make damn sure my son does not become disabled like I did. He is going to get a job using his mind, not his body. I had some pretty physically demanding jobs is why I am where I am.

 

I do not think Cruz or anyone is going to totally remove the safety net either, not by a long shot.

[gocolts 300]

Again: Tea Party Republicans are unelectable. Ted Cruz will not become president. Only moderates like Kasich will attract the swing votes needed to win the election.

 

The problem with the Ted Cruz supporters' line of thinking is that they believe that the things they (the radical fringe right) want will actually come true if he is elected. They are going to be sorely disappointed. Pouting and shutting down the government like Cruz did in the past is not an option as President, not that it worked out for him as a senator, either.

 

Obamacare will not be repealed. Illegals will not be deported in any significant numbers. Abortion will not end. The debt will not go down significantly. Government handouts will not disappear.

 

You take what you can get. At least with someone who is electable, like Kasich is, you can get some of what you want. Nobody gets the whole pie. The radical right's delusion is that they can if only they elect the right person.

I totally disagree and have explained why several times now. Kasich will not only force the base to stay home again(THey are SUPER pissed now, far more then before the last two cycles for POTUS) but all these liberal democrats that are in love with him will just vote for the democrat anyway.

 

I understand Cruz will not be able to do everything he wants and that is fine. Our country can not survive if we keep electing these big government guys that only worry about getting reelected and just kick the can down the road. Time to dial back the government and Cruz is probably the only one who will do it. This has been hijacked into a Cruz thread. Sorry about that KSB, I will stop with the Cruz talk now. So no more questions or comments about Cruz, at least from me. I will ignore the rest from here on out about Cruz in an effort to get it back on track.

[Frank M 181]

I totally disagree and have explained why several times now. Kasich will not only force the base to stay home again(THey are SUPER pissed now, far more then before the last two cycles for POTUS) but all these liberal democrats that are in love with him will just vote for the democrat anyway.

 

I understand Cruz will not be able to do everything he wants and that is fine. Our country can not survive if we keep electing these big government guys that only worry about getting reelected and just kick the can down the road. Time to dial back the government and Cruz is probably the only one who will do it. This has been hijacked into a Cruz thread. Sorry about that KSB, I will stop with the Cruz talk now. So no more questions or comments about Cruz, at least from me. I will ignore the rest from here on out about Cruz in an effort to get it back on track.

 

You would rather lose the election on principle than get part of what you want?

[gocolts 300]

 

You would rather lose the election on principle than get part of what you want?

Not hardly. I know moderates for the GOP can not win. They have been proving it for decades.

[Frank M 181]

Not hardly. I know moderates for the GOP can not win. They have been proving it for decades.

 

Cruz cannot win. Only someone who can get swing voters can win. Katich already has those voters.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

Not hardly. I know moderates for the GOP can not win. They have been proving it for decades.

George W Bush was a moderate?

[gocolts 300]

 

Cruz cannot win. Only someone who can get swing voters can win. Katich already has those voters.

Cruz would win easily by getting the base to come out for a change. Kasich MIGHT get some swing voters but too much of the base will stay home to matter. If it Kasich, I will not vote for the GOP.

[gocolts 300]

George W Bush was a moderate?

He was not a conservative but tricked folks into thinking he was conservative, which is how he won. He actually ran on being a compassionate conservative, just like the guy we talking about in this thread. Not falling for it again. Bush was not conservative and loved him some big government.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

He was not a conservative but tricked folks into thinking he was conservative, which is how he won. He actually ran on being a compassionate conservative, just like the guy we talking about in this thread. Not falling for it again. Bush was not conservative and loved him some big government.

How would you make government smaller, and what is your goal in making it smaller? Specifics please.

[Frank M 181]

Cruz would win easily by getting the base to come out for a change. Kasich MIGHT get some swing voters but too much of the base will stay home to matter. If it Kasich, I will not vote for the GOP.

 

When was the last time a fringe right, Tea Party type candidate won a presidential election?

 

The thing you are talking about is the very problem the Republicans have had for a while now: The "base" of either party isn't big enough to win, yet the Republican base is much more energized in the primaries, giving these unelectable candidates more of a chance to get the nomination, or at least to tear up the electable candidates like Romney or Huntsman or Kasich.

 

I've said it before. The biggest mistake the Republican party has made recently is taking the Tea Party under their mantle. Now they have to kowtow to them in the primaries, and by the time they are over, it's either too late or the eventual nominee is too damaged to move towards the center where the votes that win the election are found.

[KSB2424 3,083]

I will say this, the resident bored liberals being all hunky dory over Kasich is not helping him in the GOP primary race or here with me trying to gain Republiican support for him as the nominee.

 

Can yall just be quiet for a while and even maybe pretend to hate him? It will help his chances. I mean Trump is leading on the simple fact he gets everybody in a tizzy.

 

TIA

[Frank M 181]

I will say this, the resident bored liberals being all hunky dory over Kasich is not helping him in the GOP primary race or here with me trying to gain Republiican support for him as the nominee.

 

Can yall just be quiet for a while and even maybe pretend to hate him? It will help his chances. I mean Trump is leading on the simple fact he gets everybody in a tizzy.

 

TIA

 

You guys should be ecstatic. When was the last time any of us liked the Republican nominee? When we like them, they get elected.

 

It's the Tea Party ruining his chances.

 

And I prefer Reagan Democrat, thank you very much.

[Frank M 181]

And really, think about what a d@mning indictment that this is about our political system in general.

 

"That other group likes him, therefore I won't vote for him." And it goes both ways.

[KSB2424 3,083]

Again: Tea Party Republicans are unelectable. Ted Cruz will not become president. Only moderates like Kasich will attract the swing votes needed to win the election.

 

The problem with the Ted Cruz supporters' line of thinking is that they believe that the things they (the radical fringe right) want will actually come true if he is elected. They are going to be sorely disappointed. Pouting and shutting down the government like Cruz did in the past is not an option as President, not that it worked out for him as a senator, either.

 

Obamacare will not be repealed. Illegals will not be deported in any significant numbers. Abortion will not end. The debt will not go down significantly. Government handouts will not disappear.

 

You take what you can get. At least with someone who is electable, like Kasich is, you can get some of what you want. Nobody gets the whole pie. The radical right's delusion is that they can if only they elect the right person.

 

All of this is true and I agree 100% The GOP is split between the fantasy people and the reality people.

 

I've worked in corporate America for 15 years now. One thing I've learned is that there are two kinds of leaders. The "Talkers" and the "Doers". The Talkers get everybody fired up and talking at the watercooler but at the end of the day thats all they do. They're just glorified cheerleaders who rile up the masses. Then there are the Doers. They lead by getting things accomplished. It's not as much glitz and glamour but the smart people see what they are doing and they see the production. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are "Talkers". John Kasich is a "Doer".

 

With John Kasich you may get tweeks to Obamacare. Taking out some things and highlighting the things that are good. You may get a Bill defunding Planned Parenthood and limiting Abortions @ 20 weeks. You will get an attempt to reduce spending, but also balancing that with not getting rid of key safety nets. All things steering the ship in the GOP direction, but just baby steps at a time. But at least its heading that way. Because "We're going to END Abortion and Same Sex Marriage!@#!" and We're going to REPEAL OBAMACARE!@#!" and "We're going to round up all the mexicans and send them home!@#!" All that ain't happening. It's all talk to sucker in the the fringe. It's fantasy land.

 

That's what "Doers" do. They find the low hanging fruit and pounce. They find common ground with the "opposition" and pounce. And all the while you bring people together. It's what Ronald Reagan was able to accomplish and why he has such a great reputation.

 

The GOP seems to always pine for the days of a new Reagan. Well he's staring you in the focking face and you're so entrenched in this political war of us versus them that you can't even see it.

 

:stepsoffsoapbox:

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

Does Kasich have any big money behind him? We all know that's a necessity.

[Frank M 181]

 

All of this is true and I agree 100% The GOP is split between the fantasy people and the reality people.

 

I've worked in corporate America for 15 years now. One thing I've learned is that there are two kinds of leaders. The "Talkers" and the "Doers". The Talkers get everybody fired up and talking at the watercooler but at the end of the day thats all they do. They're just glorified cheerleaders who rile up the masses. Then there are the Doers. They lead by getting things accomplished. It's not as much glitz and glamour but the smart people see what they are doing and they see the production. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are "Talkers". John Kasich is a "Doer".

 

With John Kasich you may get tweeks to Obamacare. Taking out some things and highlighting the things that are good. You may get a Bill defunding Planned Parenthood and limiting Abortions @ 20 weeks. You will get an attempt to reduce spending, but also balancing that with not getting rid of key safety nets. All things steering the ship in the GOP direction, but just baby steps at a time. But at least its heading that way. Because "We're going to END Abortion and Same Sex Marriage!@#!" and We're going to REPEAL OBAMACARE!@#!" and "We're going to round up all the mexicans and send them home!@#!" All that ain't happening. It's all talk to sucker in the the fringe. It's fantasy land.

 

That's what "Doers" do. They find the low hanging fruit and pounce. They find common ground with the "opposition" and pounce. And all the while you bring people together. It's what Ronald Reagan was able to accomplish and why he has such a great reputation.

 

The GOP seems to always pine for the days of a new Reagan. Well he's staring you in the focking face and you're so entrenched in this political war of us versus them that you can't even see it.

 

:stepsoffsoapbox:

 

Godd@mn, KSB!!

 

+ focking 1, you sweater vest wearing bastage!

 

[Frank M 181]

Does Kasich have any big money behind him? We all know that's a necessity.

 

Not yet. He has to perform well in the next debate, then I think you'll see more people take notice and get on board. He won't get Koch brother money, but he can get enough to make it a fight for the nomination.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

 

Not yet. He has to perform well in the next debate, then I think you'll see more people take notice and get on board. He won't get Koch brother money, but he can get enough to make it a fight for the nomination.

Sounds right. He's going to have to make his mark soon then.

[hoytdwow 202]

My $.02:

 

The only Republicans in the field who are electable are Bush, Christie, Fiorina, Kasich, Rubio, and Walker. I'm not saying this is as it should be or that these guys are more deserving than other candidates. The rest are variously goofballs (Graham, Huckabee), extremists (Carson, Santorum) or too unknown (Pataki). Barring some seismic shift in the campaigns, the nomination will go to one of these 5, and likely either to Bush or Rubio. And I don't think either of them can beat Hillary, which is a scary thought. If the GOP wins in 2016, they'll probably lose Congress in 2018, so it'll be status quo ante regardless. Yay.

[NewbieJr 540]

My $.02:

 

The only Republicans in the field who are electable are Bush, Christie, Fiorina, Kasich, Rubio, and Walker. I'm not saying this is as it should be or that these guys are more deserving than other candidates. The rest are variously goofballs (Graham, Huckabee), extremists (Carson, Santorum) or too unknown (Pataki). Barring some seismic shift in the campaigns, the nomination will go to one of these 5, and likely either to Bush or Rubio. And I don't think either of them can beat Hillary, which is a scary thought. If the GOP wins in 2016, they'll probably lose Congress in 2018, so it'll be status quo ante regardless. Yay.

You just broke down the entire GOP field (nicely, I might add) and left out the frontrunner.

[hoytdwow 202]

You just broke down the entire GOP field (nicely, I might add) and left out the frontrunner.

Yeah. He's not electable either (see, goofballs)

 

George Will (whom I cannot stand) said it best: “Every sulfurous belch from the molten interior of the volcanic Trump phenomenon injures the chances of a Republican presidency.”

[Voltaire 4,558]

He was not a conservative but tricked folks into thinking he was conservative, which is how he won. He actually ran on being a compassionate conservative, just like the guy we talking about in this thread. Not falling for it again. Bush was not conservative and loved him some big government.

Kasich and others like him are the reason I use to be a Republican. Bush is the reason I hate the Republicans. I gotta admit, this 'compassionate conservative' talk doesn't work for me at all since the last guy who kicked that term around disgusts me.

 

But they aren't alike. Kasich carefully and painstakingly hammered out a balanced budget. As you know, my highest priority always. The first thing Bush did was scrap it and end PAYGO (pay as you go).

[KSB2424 3,083]

You didn't think this thread was finished did you? Oh hell no.

 

Once again Kasich reminds us what common sense can be in the GOP:

 

 

John Kasich on Kim Davis: The Ohio governor was asked Sunday by George Stephanopoulos whether he agreed fellow Republican presidential contender Mike Huckabee, who stood by a county clerk's unwillingness to issue marriage licenses to gay couples in Kentucky. The clerk, Kim Davis, has been jailed for her refusal.

"No, I don't agree with him," Kasich replied. "I think, you know, the court has spoken, the court has ruled as everyone knows. ... Most people know, I believe in traditional marriage, but the court has ruled. ... Now, I respect the fact that this lady doesn't agree, but she's also a government employee. She's not running a church. I wouldn't force this on a church, but in terms of her responsibility I think she has to comply. I don't think – I don't like the fact that she's sitting in a jail, that's just absurd as well."

 

 

 

Once again, Mr. Kasich is spot on. Good ole fashioned common sense.

 

 

Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who has staked out a moderate — for his party — position on marriage equality, worried that the focus on Davis’s refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples would turn young people away from religion. Davis, who says issuing the license would violate her Christian beliefs, was jailed Thursday on a contempt of court charge and released today.

“When young people, or people who are looking at what is religion all about, what is faith all about — when they see dust-ups like this, my concern is they would go the other way and say, ‘Look, I don't want anything to do with that,’” Kasich told Fox News host Neil Cavuto today (watch below).

Kasich said he understands Davis’s concerns but not how she has handled them. While he supports “traditional marriage,” as he refers to it, he recognizes that marriage equality is the law of the land, and public officials must accept that.

“We have bigger fish to fry in terms of the whole issue of faith,” added Kasich, a former Roman Catholic who now attends a church affiliated with the Anglican Church in North America, a conservative body that broke off from the Episcopal Church after the latter appointed its first openly gay bishop. Faith, he said, “means I am supposed to live a life bigger than myself. It means I have to be aware of those who are the downtrodden and the widows, the orphans.”

 

[Sho Nuff 719]

Perfect response.

Yet its not good enough for the lunatic fringe.

They want pictures with arms around that skank like Cruz and Huckabee did.

[Voltaire 4,558]

Perfect response.

Yet its not good enough for the lunatic fringe.

They want pictures with arms around that skank like Cruz and Huckabee did.

She's been divorced four times already, is she available or not at the moment?

[Saint Elistan 106]

She's been divorced four times already, is she available or not at the moment?

 

All I know is that even the Westboro Baptist Church protested against this lady. Now that's crassic.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

Perfect response.

Yet its not good enough for the lunatic fringe.

They want pictures with arms around that skank like Cruz and Huckabee did.

I'm coming around on you Sho. Skank is such a great word