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#121 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 12:52 AM

Decendants of slaves deserve someset asides. People that came here willingly shouldn't get a thing.

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 01:25 AM

Still bringing up Affirmative Action?

More specifically, SFFA v. Harvard largely focuses on whether Harvard violated the Civil Rights Act by discriminating against Asian Americans. This question is not directly connected to affirmative action,


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#123 penultimatestraw

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 01:51 AM

I'm on board with that. Absolutely. The wealthy don't deserve any special treatment as far as I'm concerned. I'm talking strictly merits of the students. Not the wealth of the parents.

The problem is, the quality of primary and secondary education isn’t uniform. Nor are grading standards. If you use SAT or other standardized tests as the tiebreaker, you ignore the variation in quality of schools, and college prep programs which give rich kids an edge.

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 02:00 AM

At my daughter's school Latinos complained that they are applying now 300% more than they applied in the 70's yet their admission rate is exactly the same as it was in the 70's.
Do you not understand that elite schools are keeping them white????
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Everyone is like, "Oh, they let 12 blacks in with lower SAT scores!"
When everyone is discriminated against in favor of keeping whites as a majority.
If grades alone were how and why kids were admitted 1st generation immigrant children would fill our universities, irrespective of color.

Your point is well taken Peenie. People tend to rage about blacks benefitting from AA and ignore whites who also are getting into elite schools at the expense of more qualified Asians. If it were purely merit based, I still think Caucasians would be in the majority though.

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 02:04 AM

There were more asians in my college classes than whites.

Where did you go to school?

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 02:22 AM

Where did you go to school?


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#127 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 02:50 AM

Your point is well taken Peenie. People tend to point out blacks benefitting from AA and ignore whites who also are getting into elite schools at the expense of more qualified Asians. If it were purely merit based, I still think Caucasians would be in the majority though.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 03:14 AM

Maybe we're just stupider than other groups. Thank goodness for AA so we can do more jobs than sweep.
The fact that we blacks score 200 points less than every other race has nothing to do with the segregated schools we go to or the segregated neighborhoods we live in. We just plain dumb.
Thank God AA helps us so we can be managers at Target or at Bank of America or work in middle management at Delta airlines or become nurses or teachers.
Goodness knows tests like the MCAT wouldn't weed out our dumb asses from becoming doctors. Why, all we have to do is put black on our application and we get to be surgeons.
Look at all the ivy league seats and jobs we're taking away from deserving good clean white folk.


So its segregation huh?

Whats your excuse for the few hundred million blacks still in Africa that have been there since the dawn of focking time, and have yet to achieve Roman Empire levels of standard of living?

(Colonialism aint gonna fly. Asians overcame that no problem.)

The real reason blacks score lower than other groups?

As a white kid, or an Asian kid, the ACT or SAT is something you spend YEARS sweating. You go to tutoring. You do practice tests.

When I took the ACT, I had at least a dozen timed practice tests under my belt and had been to a prep class. Same for the LSAT, same for the Bar exam.

In the black community, few even bother to take it.

Maybe an SAT prep book and course would be a better investment than rims and yeezeys. I dunno.

(Ps. The reason black schools suck... they are full of blacks from a community that not only doesnt value education, but scorns it. Coming from the south myself, White folk will NEVER allow full integration under those terms. Ever.)

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 04:01 AM

The problem with most black schools is that there aren't enough troubled white adults going through their own issues to come to the schools and, sure they struggle at first. And, just when they think they're making progress? They find that their car has been trashed in the parking lot. And so yeah, they think about quitting. Who needs these ungrateful little jerks anyway? But then LaTrell shows up and starts working on your car for free. It's not much, but then other people in the Community chip in as well. Heck, they even add a little "flava" to the 'whip' And suddenly, some really inspirational music starts playing in the background. So they throw on their favorite leather jacket and buck up their courage and before you know it, they've earned the respect of the community and gosh darn it, they've learned to respect the community as well. In the end, there's a few bad apples, but ultimately, those kids who want to be saved? They go on to attend college. And gosh darn it, if that were to happen more often? Then black schools will be a lot better off. If only there were more Jim Belushi's and Michelle Pfeiffer's in the world.
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#130 Ray Lewis's Limo Driver

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 07:48 AM

I think what is being lost in all of this is the opportunity afforded to us by this situation.

 

The strategic value being that the Asians are attacking the fabric of AA, and perhaps will be able to set a precedent that instills some fear into these institutions to stop using racism as a means of acceptance.

 

THAT is our win, to ensure the repugnant ideals behind AA, the categorization of people by their group identify, no longer happens


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 08:08 AM

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 08:14 AM

We asked for can size, not grades.


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#133 Ray Lewis's Limo Driver

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 11:53 AM

Your point is well taken Peenie. People tend to rage about blacks benefitting from AA and ignore whites who also are getting into elite schools at the expense of more qualified Asians. If it were purely merit based, I still think Caucasians would be in the majority though.

 

Agree. But the notion of AA had its time and place, this Asian experience simply highlights one element of the deeply flawed philosophy behind it.

 

I always find peenie deeply thoughtful and passionate, and while we do now always agree she always ably defends her position with astute data and logic.  That being said, believing fervently though you are right does not make you right. And too often peenie allows her personal bias to influence her logic.

 

This happens to all of us from time to time, but this tilt of the SJW's toward dhimmitude does not appear to be happenstance and due to this i am wary of many programs associated with "social justice"


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 08:48 PM

https://www.bostongl..._ReadMore_Pos10

 

Looks like Harvard may have learned its lesson, other schools need to take note, you can only be biased against white people, its the only safe way


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 01:41 AM

https://www.bostongl..._ReadMore_Pos10

 

Looks like Harvard may have learned its lesson, other schools need to take note, you can only be biased against white people, its the only safe way

 

Hopefully the whole house of privilege cards collapses, be it racial preferences, donor biases, and alumni biases.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 05:15 AM

 

Hopefully the whole house of privilege cards collapses, be it racial preferences, donor biases, and alumni biases.

 

Not likely.  Poor people vote, and the popular ideology is that African Americans are the only minority group challenged by society.....


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 03:33 PM

 

Not likely.  Poor people vote, and the popular ideology is that African Americans are the only minority group challenged by society.....

The donor and alumni privilege is the entire reason the school exists.The academicly gifted and minority kids are window dressing. It's a self serving caste system and pretending/insulting all white kids have privilege is what keeps it standing.  If they pull out the racist AA policy, the optics of continued use of extremely white donor and alumni privilege becomes untenable (hopefully).


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Posted 01 November 2018 - 05:53 AM

I love it when people like Shapiro goes to universities and allow these FOCKING MORONIC SJW students to roll up and lob questions at them.  Questions intended to be condescending and geared to some attempt to show him to be racist, misogynistic etc... and through the use of logic and facts he just smashes them, which infuriates them, the crap they are being fed in class does not work in the real world, and they often cannot seem to handle it.Shapiro is absolutely the best, and they way he dismantles the  bullsh!t of white privilege and Affirmative Action is spectacular...

 

The best is when they just pause, and give up and walk away, fully defeated....    :banana:


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Posted 01 November 2018 - 09:07 AM

I love it when people like Shapiro goes to universities and allow these FOCKING MORONIC SJW students to roll up and lob questions at them.  Questions intended to be condescending and geared to some attempt to show him to be racist, misogynistic etc... and through the use of logic and facts he just smashes them, which infuriates them, the crap they are being fed in class does not work in the real world, and they often cannot seem to handle it.Shapiro is absolutely the best, and they way he dismantles the  bullsh!t of white privilege and Affirmative Action is spectacular...

 

The best is when they just pause, and give up and walk away, fully defeated....    :banana:

 

I had seen a couple of his speeches and student questions to follow. 

 

I remember one student came up and said, "I asked a couple far left-leaning students from here to come here today and debate you on a certain topic they felt strongly about, but they said, no, because of your political savvy and quick wit you would destroy them in front of everybody."

 

Shapiro said: "Yes, that is exactly what I would do."



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Posted 01 November 2018 - 09:09 AM

 

I had seen a couple of his speeches and student questions to follow. 

 

I remember one student came up and said, "I asked a couple far left-leaning students from here to come here today and debate you on a certain topic they felt strongly about, but they said, no, because of your political savvy and quick wit you would destroy them in front of everybody."

 

Shapiro said: "Yes, that is exactly what I would do."

 

:doublethumbsup:


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