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Talk me out of drafting Cordarrelle Patterson in the 4th. No PPR.

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You may be able to get him in the 5th, so depending on what pick you have, see if you can. I've nabbed him in the 5th round of many PPR redrafts so far. He was going in the 4th about two weeks ago, and even higher two weeks prior to that. His stock is beginning to cool a bit and I'm not sure why. While Cassel is a joke, Norv Turner is not. You can always count on the team to have a top WR, TE and a RB with good stats if he's around. Cleveland didn't have a RB on the roster worth owning to begin with, so that isn't Norv's fault.

 

Look at the history of Turner... Everywhere he's went, he's produced solid fantasy studs and has proven capable of doing it with less than stellar talent. For all the hype, was Josh Gordon really that exceptionally gifted, or was he mostly the product of Norv using him correctly? I'm in the boat that says Gordon would never come close to those numbers again unless a similar minded OC was at the helm of the offense.

 

Reasons to take Patterson:

Norv Turner - His resume speaks for itself

AP - They can't use a Safety over the top on Patterson with AP in the backfield. If they do, they won't do it twice.

Greg Jennings - Say what you will, but Jennings looked ok with Cassel at the helm last season. He's will prevent using 2 CB's on Patterson

Kyle Rudolph - You don't have to worry as much about the Safety and/or a Linebacker trying to bump Patterson.

 

If you are drafting him as your WR1, you may be in trouble. I've been getting him as my WR2 and will continue doing so. Barring injury, this guy is hell on wheels. People doubted him at TN as well. They no longer doubt him.

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Biggest reason not to draft him in rnd 4 is better options at wr. OP where do you have Cpat ranked on your list of wrs? If you have a tiered wr list then just simply use that and if he is the top wr on your board in rnd 4 and you want a wr, you can take him. Personally I dont have him very high.

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i like him more in non-ppr. i just dont see the vikings all of a sudden becoming a really good passing team to the point where one guy catches 90 balls.

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Agree . I like Patterson more in a non PPR league

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I like him more in non PPR too.

 

There's all these metrics out there about how he wasn't particularly a good WR last year. Catching something like 30 of his 45 passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.

 

Then you have the OC saying :

 

Patterson was the best kick returner in the NFL last season. "We want our best players to get their hands on the ball as much as possible," Zimmer said. "We’re not going to keep him from returning kicks because he is such a dangerous weapon there." Zimmer suggested the jury remains out on whether Patterson will become an equally dynamic wide receiver. "For him to take the next step," Zimmer said, "we’re going to have to see how he gets off a jam and the things that people will try to do to take him away." Jul 23 - 9:48 PM

 

 

Despite any of that he touched the ball 57 times and scored 7 tds. That's pretty insane.

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Cassel looked pretty good in 2008 and 2010, but I think it'll take most of the year to get on the same page with Norv, and by that time, Bridgewater will be playing, so you'll have a QB who takes some time getting used to systems handing it off to a rookie at some point. Thing is, Patterson isn't exactly the precise route timing type of guy. He's a guy you send down the field, and throw the ball up and let him go get it because he's more athletic than the defender, perfect for a QB who's desperate and confused. So, I don't think the QB's will be all that much of a hindrance. But they'll shut it down quickly if they are close and hand it to Peterson so they don't have to throw. He's gonna be boom and bust this year. Some games he'll give you 150, and the next he'll have 1 catch for 12 yards.

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I think the danger with Patterson is that he's already being drafted as if he broke out. His price is already totally inflated that if he does anything less...he's kind of a bust at his ADP.

 

I mean people are taking him over Fitz, White, Andre Johnson types .

 

You can get 'more proven' guys like Crabtree, M. Wallace, M. Floyd who probably have close to the same upside and might not cost quite as much.

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I think the danger with Patterson is that he's already being drafted as if he broke out. His price is already totally inflated that if he does anything less...he's kind of a bust at his ADP.

 

I mean people are taking him over Fitz, White, Andre Johnson types .

 

You can get 'more proven' guys like Crabtree, M. Wallace, M. Floyd who probably have close to the same upside and might not cost quite as much.

This should be a crime punishable by death. Those guys will all put up 2nd rnd numbers to me and im scooping them up in rnd 4-5. Then following up with top 10 qbs like ryan and romo in rnd 6,7 or 8. This is gonna be too easy this year, i may have to join 10 $20 yahoo leagues.

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I'll talk you out of drafting him in the 4th round because:
-Most his stats were breakaway runs for TD's - Very little passing yardage or any kind of steady WR production

-Most his stats came after AP was off the field giving him full focus to make any plays he could for a struggling team. i.e. running plays
-His QB play is bad and if they change up mid stream it could problematic.
-4th round just seems early for a guy so unproven with no recieving production stats to speak of.
-Growing pains and keyed on a bit more

-Jennings still present as a true WR target

-Inconsistant production factor

-ADP gets all the love and TD's - OR Minn is struggling and losing.

-Did I say 4th round seems to early? I mean Fitz might be there in the 4th for you?

 

Don't get me wrong. He's got big play potential. I LOVED the kid coming out and I think he could be really good. It's a nice risk to take.

But, I like it better in the 5th or later though. Really, he seems like a 6th round pick to me. I know that's probably to late.

:) - DId I talk you out of it?

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Peterson and Rudolph are the only 2 guys you want to be drafting on the Vikings this year.

 

He will be wildly inconsistent... Now, in a best ball league, I might draft him.

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He's an electric player but he wasn't a particularly good receiver last year and he plays in a terrible passing offense. Lots of upside but don't get so carried away that he has to completely live up to his potential to justify his draft spot

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there's a good case for patterson's breakout, but it's still just potential.

 

some thoughts:

 

his total production last year was pretty comparable to tavon austin. anybody excited about tavon?

 

he has either a sub-par or rookie qb

 

his upside is priced in to his adp: no margin for error

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Hawkins killer insight about how much of his production came towards the end of the season when AP was wearing down or out.

 

I'm doing a small clap over here.

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i donno, i mean the only reason he is on my radar is due to all the hype from sites like this and the talking head rankings. Take away all that crap and my gut tells me hes an upside wr4 at best worth a late round pick at most. The guys iv seen him taken before are insane. Roddy, Fitz, andre and many other proven studs in great offenses. I could easily be wrong but hes devin hester to me and nothing more. a better real life player than fantasy player.

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I'll talk you out of drafting him in the 4th round because:

-Most his stats were breakaway runs for TD's - Very little passing yardage or any kind of steady WR production

-Most his stats came after AP was off the field giving him full focus to make any plays he could for a struggling team. i.e. running plays

-His QB play is bad and if they change up mid stream it could problematic.

-4th round just seems early for a guy so unproven with no recieving production stats to speak of.

-Growing pains and keyed on a bit more

-Jennings still present as a true WR target

-Inconsistant production factor

-ADP gets all the love and TD's - OR Minn is struggling and losing.

-Did I say 4th round seems to early? I mean Fitz might be there in the 4th for you?

 

Don't get me wrong. He's got big play potential. I LOVED the kid coming out and I think he could be really good. It's a nice risk to take.

But, I like it better in the 5th or later though. Really, he seems like a 6th round pick to me. I know that's probably to late.

 

:) - DId I talk you out of it?

 

Dude that is great insight.

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Hawkins killer insight about how much of his production came towards the end of the season when AP was wearing down or out.

 

I'm doing a small clap over here.

Been playing FF for 10 years and missed it. Hawkins saving my WR2.

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Dude that is great insight.

Cool man,

Good luck in your F.F. league!

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Biggest reason not to draft him in rnd 4 is better options at wr. OP where do you have Cpat ranked on your list of wrs? If you have a tiered wr list then just simply use that and if he is the top wr on your board in rnd 4 and you want a wr, you can take him. Personally I dont have him very high.

Larry Fitzgerald

Victor Cruz

Vincent Jackson

Pierre Garcon

Wes Welker

Keenan Allen

 

All of these receivers have flaws, Palmer could get hurt and that could hurt Fitz. Will Cruz bounce back or will ODB be Eli's new favorite target? VJac has taken games off and has proven he cannot beat every corner. Garcon? How does he do with DJac? Welker was not the same after week 4 last year. Allen actually was not productive against many teams. Put him against top corners PP, Sherman, Miliner, Talib, Grimes, Jenkins, Smith, Revis, and Bowman and lets see how he does.

 

In fact Allen's games where he scored well

Raiders....no significant cb and wrs were burning them.

Colts........no elite corners either.

Redskins.....Hall is all over the place.

KC...........KC was very overrated against the pass. They got Desean on a short week, but the only big receivers they played before the bye were Bryant, Cruz, and Gordon. They all had TDs and at least 70 or more yards in those games.

Giants.....He had less than 60 yards to go with those two TDs. Think about that.

Broncos..Another two TD performance with even less yards

Raiders..Well, he had 8 points. SD didnt need to throw.

 

Now as for the games he did not do well

Jaguars........Because jags were so bad at home teams could afford to give their C players some reps.

Broncos.......Bailey?

Dolphins......Grimes

Bengals.......Hall but bengals were up to the point Rivers could throw from behind.

Chiefs..........He got 80 yards but no score.

 

Without question Patterson is the number 1 on the vikings. The vikings were struggling to score points until he took over actually and then we see them beat a good bears offense, almost beat the ravens on the road, win impressively at home against the eagles before playing less than stellar last two games. Cassel seemed to have found his stride with Patterson. In his best season at KC, he had a healthy RB and a WR he could throw to under a good offensive system with Haley. Remember Bowe being a fantasy stud that year? KC fired Haley when Cassel wasn't even playing. Cassel has that offense again. If he's the starter, CP should finish where he left off and end of year stats usually do translate into bigger seasons the next year unless said player was a backup(Spiller comes to mind which he was actually a backup).

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Despite any of that he touched the ball 57 times and scored 7 tds. That's pretty insane.

 

This is the key for me. The guy is a size/speed freak and simply a playmaker. Is the 4th too high for him? Probably. Will I reach and grab him there, particularly in smaller leagues that start two WRs and given the depth and upside of so many WRs this year? Probably.

 

Now I would not feel great about going with his my WR1, but if you like him and he falls to you at 4 after you've wrapped up your RB1 and 2 in rounds 1-3, why not take a shot? Yeah, its obviously objectively dumb to take Cord over Fitz, Cruz, or Andre Johnson, but it is more "fun" to have a guy like Cord. And the 4th round is when you can start to look for upside over stability/safety, and WR is generally an easier deficiency to remedy on the waiver wire or by stashing some other late-round guys with upside.

 

I'm like the OP, I'm a sucker for excitement and I tend to fall into Al Davis mode when picking my teams, taking big-play guys and great athletes like Cord over safer, volume-type PPR guys. Sometimes it doesn't work and sometimes you get Julio Jones or Dez Bryant. Its really a personal preference, but every year there are just some dudes I MUST have on my teams and I'll reach for them. Last year, one of those dudes was Gordon. The other was David Wilson. How Cord ends up, we'll have to see.

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Without question Patterson is the number 1 on the vikings. Cassel seemed to have found his stride with Patterson.

I question. Could easily have finished the last sentence with Jennings. 3 TDs on 12 carries is not sustainable. It could be Bridgewater in there at some point, the head coach is Mike Zimmer and ADP is still their #1 freak. Hope he falls to you in round 5 instead.

//thread over

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Vikings WR Cordarrelle Patterson missed the team's first practice with a foot injury.

 

ESPN Vikings reporter Ben Goessling said the injury will keep Patterson out "a couple days." Patterson needs all the practice time he can get as he tries to refine his dynamic raw abilities into an elite wide receiver package. He has a ton of upside, but is being over-drafted as the No. 15 wide receiver off the board in fantasy drafts.

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I question. Could easily have finished the last sentence with Jennings. 3 TDs on 12 carries is not sustainable. It could be Bridgewater in there at some point, the head coach is Mike Zimmer and ADP is still their #1 freak. Hope he falls to you in round 5 instead.

//thread over

Yep. Jennings led the team in targets, receptions and yards.

 

I'll listen to arguments that he's the #1 playmaker at WR for the Vikings though.

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Yep. Jennings led the team in targets, receptions and yards.

 

I'll listen to arguments that he's the #1 playmaker at WR for the Vikings though.

Jennings is the play maker to own because.... yeah i cant think of anything.

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Patterson reminds me a little of Josh Gordon, sans the arrest record.

 

Mediocre QB play on relatively bad offenses, but home run potential.

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He's missing time, and they're installing a new offense from scratch. Not a good combination for early success.

 

By the way, how the hell do you pronounce his first name? I've heard it three different ways now. I've heard it Core-Darrell. I've heard it Corda-Rell. I've heard it Core-Adrel.

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I'll talk you out of drafting him in the 4th round because:

-Most his stats were breakaway runs for TD's - Very little passing yardage or any kind of steady WR production

-Most his stats came after AP was off the field giving him full focus to make any plays he could for a struggling team. i.e. running plays

-His QB play is bad and if they change up mid stream it could problematic.

-4th round just seems early for a guy so unproven with no recieving production stats to speak of.

-Growing pains and keyed on a bit more

-Jennings still present as a true WR target

-Inconsistant production factor

-ADP gets all the love and TD's - OR Minn is struggling and losing.

-Did I say 4th round seems to early? I mean Fitz might be there in the 4th for you?

 

Don't get me wrong. He's got big play potential. I LOVED the kid coming out and I think he could be really good. It's a nice risk to take.

But, I like it better in the 5th or later though. Really, he seems like a 6th round pick to me. I know that's probably to late.

 

:) - DId I talk you out of it?

 

http://www.xnsports.com/2014/07/29/fantasy-football-cordarrelle-patterson-two-reason-believe/

 

Hawkins nailing that Pattersons numbers once AD is off the field is something even most "experts" are missing. Read the link above guys, or just read the quote after a deep technical deep dive

 

 

Just know that if you’re going to invest in Patterson as a top-15 receiver, you’re counting on production beyond his scalding hot finish to the 2013 season.

 

 

 

Moving on from Cor-da-relle!

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5.08 56. Carlos V Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Wed Jul 30 9:07:21 a.m. ET 2014 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 5.09 57. Upper Class Trash 10 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR Wed Jul 30 10:05:25 a.m. ET 2014

 

 

Just an update. Patterson's stock is dropping from where it was a couple weeks ago. I just made this pick in a redraft fifteen minutes ago. I don't see how you can pass on him in the 5th round of any 12 team league. This is the second draft in a row I've been able to get him in the mid to late 5th in 12 team PPR leagues.

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