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#1 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:07 AM

https://threadreader...3411674112.html

 

As Kimberley Strassel notes..........the media has and is currently passing off omissions and opinion as facts. wiff, you might want to stop reading as you'll get a glimpse at the man behind the curtain.

 

Here's the Washington Post article.......https://www.washingt...m=.e30d884f001c

 

 


1) It is never fun to tackle fact checkers, but this one is a case study in that modern art of omitting details, stating unsupportable assertions as fact, slipping things in, manipulating a narrative. Opinion as "fact." So let's go through it. 
 
2)"Ohr exists in a netherworld — a subject of fascination in right-leaning media". Right, though piece fails to note that is because mainstream media is more "fascinated" by Omarosa than it is the news that a high ranking DOJ official--
 
3)--whose wife worked for Clinton oppo-research group Fusion GPS--was feeding said oppo research to the FBI. And that the FBI was taking it even after having officially terminated Fusion employee Christopher Steele as a source, for breaking FBI rules.
 
4)"Ohr is less of a central player." The guy was among highest ranking DOJ officials. And anybody who works for one central player in this drama (DOJ) and has dozens of contacts with all the other central players (Fusion, FBI, Steele) is by definition pretty central.
 
5) "Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community." Noble Steele, right? Only fails to note he looks also been working for/helping a Russian oligarch, even as he wrote dossier hyping Trump-Russia. Goes to credibility, no?
 
6)"the dossier is actually several memos, based on conversations with Russian sources" Well, so says Steele and Glenn Simpson (Fusion GPS cofounder). fact checker just takes their word for it. But some suspect a few non Russians might have had some input.
 
7)"the probe into the Trump campaign originally was sparked by a separate matter that Steele never wrote about." So says the FBI. But it notably won't provide any docs to back this up, and only came up with the Papadopoulos story after dossier was exposed.
 
8) (I thought fact checkers existed to question unsupported claims?)
 
9) "(Bruce Ohr’s 278e financial disclosure form lists her as an “independent contractor.”)" This bland statement (i am assuming purposely) omits the key point: That this description masked where she really worked--Fusion--which Ohr should have disclosed, but didn't.
 
10) "Bruce Ohr and Steele knew each other, apparently because of organized-crime issues." Maybe. But their relationship in early 2016 was Steele lobbying Ohr on behalf of Russian oligarch, about visas and sanctions. Important "fact," right? (gets slipped in at end of piece)
 
11) "Simpson said Steele suggested he speak to Ohr after the “very surprising” victory by Trump." This statement, and quote that follows, make it sounds like Simpson's outreach was just a casual, "let me do the right thing" moment AFTER the election. But it omits...
 
12) that Simpson was in touch with Ohr months earlier, at start of Trump-Russia probe. Specifically, an email to Ohr from Simpson in August reads: "Can u ring." Which is a pretty familiar way to email someone you rarely talk to.
 
13)"But Steele and Simpson did not know that" Really? How can Fact Checker make such a claim? Steele was in continuous contact with high ranking DOJ official, who could easily have apprised him on probe. Steele also had contacts in FBI and in State Dept.
 
14) "Steele and Ohr had been in contact before the election, though it’s unclear how much Ohr knew about Steele’s work for Fusion." Um, maybe a fair amount, given all the summer contact between Steele, Simpson and Ohr? Why downplay it?
 
15)"The two men had had a continuing discussion about Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in 2016" Again, that "discussion" involved a foreign national (Steele) lobbying DOJ official. At end we hear only that Steele was "concerned" re Deripaska. no description of his requests.
 
16) "And Bruce Ohr apparently spoke to Simpson on Aug. 22, according to phone logs reviewed by York." Doesn't note it was Simpson that demanded a call. Also slipped in late in piece, like no big deal, rather than back in main timeline describing Simpson outreach to Ohr.
 
17) "He appears to be only a messenger." Wow. So DOJ official passes along Clinton oppo to FBI, from a discredited source. Doesn't tell that his wife is profiting from this venture. No big deal. Just a "messenger." Imagine if official in Bush DOJ had done this to Obama team.
 
18) "At this point, it’s unclear what Ohr even told his friend at the FBI about Steele’s information" Wow again. Where does this "friend" come from? why put it that way? Ohr was debriefed by FBI agents at least 12 times, contents in official 302s. This isn't water cooler talk
 
19) "There is also, as yet, no evidence that senior Justice Department officials were even aware of Ohr’s sideline communications with Steele about the Russian probe." Wow times three. That some in DOJ didn't know is one of the problems. Who set this up? Who was kept in dark?
 
20) "Trump’s mention of Ohr’s wife appears gratuitous. Her role in the matter, as yet, appears minimal." She worked for the main player in this drama, Fusion. And Fact Checker has zero ability to make that claim, since we still don't know her role. Bizarre.
 
21. THE PINOCCHIO TEST: There are no facts wrong here, so no pinocchios based on WaPo's preferred pinocchio standard. But fact checkers are also more than capable of rearranging words and details to create a misleading narrative. so, pinocchios galore on that front.

BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.


#2 wiffleball

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 01:15 PM

How many times you keep posting the same shiut? Didn't we already shut this down with the Newsweek article?

Why don't you dust off the Avett Brothers while you're at it.
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#3 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 01:37 PM

How many times you keep posting the same shiut? Didn't we already shut this down with the Newsweek article?

 

Just swallow the red pill sunshine and you'll be enlightened. 

 

In related news, Ohr's passing of Steele/Fusion GPS info to FBI might be in the 11-12 interview 302s. Were they really that focking stupid to create a paper trail like that?

 

Focking clown show continues.

 

https://threadreader...4870379520.html


BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.


#4 drobeski

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 01:42 PM

How many times you keep posting the same shiut? Didn't we already shut this down with the Newsweek article?

Why don't you dust off the Avett Brothers while you're at it.

no you didnt

#5 12th Man

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 01:46 PM

no you didnt

Geez I swear I thought wifflenuts ate a handful of pills.

#6 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 01:48 PM

https://themarketswo...edia-collusion/

 

Don't forget that Newsweek was/is on the Fusion GPS payroll wiff.

 

Sorry to once again sh!t all over your narrative.


BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.


#7 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 01:57 PM

https://threadreader...2290607104.html

 

A great run down of how we've gotten to this point. Dot to dot............


BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.


#8 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 02:39 PM

How many times you keep posting the same shiut? Didn't we already shut this down with the Newsweek article?

Why don't you dust off the Avett Brothers while you're at it.


Awan brothers. And you can't handle the truth. Keep up the good work FF, and thank you.

#9 drobeski

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 03:19 PM

Awan brothers. And you can't handle the truth. Keep up the good work FF, and thank you.

that's how they roll, just claim truths they dont like debunked

#10 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 03:27 PM

that's how they roll, just claim truths they dont like debunked


Reminds me of toddlers covering up their ears.

#11 wiffleball

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 04:05 PM

You guys may remember his brother. Played for the Ravens. His mom was Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side.

And oh yeah, he definitely ###### his stepsister.

Probably his step Mommy too.
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#12 SenatorRock

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 09:10 PM

I am curious what the retards read, anyone got a link to that newsweek article?

 

Lemme guess, they said it is perfectly normal for one of the top guys in DOJ to have a spouse working for a contractor (paid by one of the major political parties and candidates) that is funneling Russian intelligence through a British spy to the FBI and the media. And for this DOJ guy to text/email the British spy about ongoing FBI investigations and express concern about testimony from disgraced FBI employees involved in the dossier. 



#13 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 05:06 AM

Is there one thing from the last 2+ years that Democrats accused Trump of that was merely a projection of sh!t they were pulling?


BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.