Roger Goodell Clown Show.....

[Maulers1973 117]

Voting on this ever important topic. Has Roger Goodell turned the NFL executive office into a clown show?

 

See some argue, look at all the money he has made for the owners. I say, he has done nothing of the sort. The only thing that has expanded the popularity of the NFL since he became commissioner is fantasy football and DFS. None of which, Goodell had anything to do with.

 

My vote is clearly: YES!!!

[Vikings4ever 496]

Fantasy football turned terrible games into watchable events.

 

The owners don't want to get rid of Goodell because they don't want to rock the boat with the money they're making, but, really, a retarded chimp could guide the NFL to huge profits.

[brotherbock 349]

Too hard to tell. His policies affect so much of the league that there's no way I think we can know what effect he's had on profits. Example: the NFL keeps trying to reach out to women, with some success. I can't tell you at all whether his current attempt at a tough stance on domestic violence is helping that or not. It might be. It might not be. I have no data.

 

So if whether it's a clown show depends on whether he's helping make them profits, my vote is "I have no idea."

 

But...my real vote is YES. Because I think he might be both helping them turn record profits and turning it into a clown show. Not mutually exclusive

[polecatt 399]

I agree with the top 2 comments 100%

I have said Goodell would be a disaster since he destroyed the Spygate tapes, he hasn't proved me wrong yet and backed me up repeatedly

[brotherbock 349]

I agree with the top 2 comments 100%

I have said Goodell would be a disaster since he destroyed the Spygate tapes, he hasn't proved me wrong yet and backed me up repeatedly

 

So you don't agree with my yes vote too?

[murf74 461]

One thing is consistent, if you stay clean, you don't have to worry about Goodell.

 

Right?

 

I haven't seen him go against Drew Brees and JJ Watt for a reason.

[polecatt 399]

 

So you don't agree with my yes vote too?

I got no problem with yours, It wasn't there when I started to post and I didn't have time to read it

[oldtimer 84]

I think it's a double edged sword with him. Personally, I think he's a pompous jackass. I don't like his policies and think he is so arbitrary in what he does that it leads most people to agree he's a power hungry jackass.

 

If you keep your nose clean, you have no issues. The suspensions related to pot though, and not for standing for the National Anthem, confuse me to no end. Why suspend a guy for smoking weed, which is going to be legal everywhere eventually anyway, but you turn off fans who were in the Military or serve their country in other capacaties when people protest the NA and nothing gets done about it. Free speech or not, I have military family and friends who simply stopped watching football and even gave up fantasy football over this stupid crap. It started to take a toll last season. If the numbers slip any this season, the Commish is going to go down in fiery blaze of glory. Owners pay him. If profits go down because so many people stop watching the games, he won't be in charge anymore. I am hoping viewership goes down another .01% and causes owners to wonder what the deal is.....

 

He's definitely not "fair" across the board either. You give Ray Rice only a 2 game suspension, AFTER seeing the video. Once it's public, he's banned? I agree with the banning as that was a Mike Tyson type punch, but why did you wait until the public found out to do it? That's some BS.

Guys smoking pot..... Let's be realistic - If you have every played a college sport, or professional, you know how many guys are doing something against the rules. I wrestled on a scholarship. Wrestling isn't a huge deal like football, but most of our guys were juicing and the rest were stoned quite often. When you put in that much work, even a small 3% advantage is HUGE over another competitor. Why is the NFL not suspending more players for 'Roids, HGH and Pot usage, if they are going to be serious about enforcing it. C'mon, a 6'3 265lb linebacker who looks like a bodybuilder and runs like the wind isn't a "freak of nature". The guy is a juicer and nobody does anything about it. Why so arbitrary with who you want out of the league?

 

In all honesty, I've lost a LOT of interest in the NFL the past several years. I'm not a Cowboys homer, but what is going on with Zeke is a witch hunt. They have texts of the girl flatly stating she was going to ruin his career by setting him up and lying. That got thrown out of court. Who is the NFL to then decide they agree with the female and suspend this guy? Is he perfect? No. Is THIS what he should be suspended for? No. The law needs to be the law. This is too much like double jeopardy and he's being tried twice, which is unconstitutional, yet the NFL can get away with it because of the Labor Agreement. Total BS. When you see some guys get popped for a steroid that was in a supplement, and proven to be from the supplement, why are they suspended if the supplement isn't on the NFL banned list? On top of that, if the NFL seriously tested everyone for everything, we'd have a bunch of

small guys playing in the NFL and some teams would have multiple players suspended at all times. Why the double standard is what I'm asking???

 

Anyway, yeah, the Commish is more like Rodger Rabbit than the Commish of the NFL. He may have attracted some fans at the beginning of his tenure, but now he's losing them. People are paying close attention to this BS and losing interest in the NFL. I'd like to see what the numbers are for fantasy football over the last three years. I can tell you, I'm a believer the numbers slipped in each of the past two seasons, at least at the places I play, which are likely the same places many of you play. The die-hards may never quit, but if fewer young people get involved, or people getting older (like me) who are growing tired of watching players disrespect the flag and country and events inside the country. Football is a sport, not a political event nor a debate. Play the damn guy, don't disrespect those of us who have fought for the country or served in any capacity, and all will be well. Keep it up and I see Football going the way Mark Cuban (Mavericks Owner) predicted a couple years ago. He said the NFL will come crashing down on itself someday soon as there is no one overseeing the overseers. He said a lot more, but the point was he thinks the NFL will fail and have a massive fall from grace at some point, and this was PRIOR to the Kaep crap.

[TBayXXXVII 2,104]

I think he's the best Commissioner in all of sports and possibly the best of all time. He's actually holding players accountable for their actions. Imagine that!!

[Maulers1973 117]

I think he's the best Commissioner in all of sports and possibly the best of all time. He's actually holding players accountable for their actions. Imagine that!!

 

What about him ignorning reports of the people who work for his office, the people who have the title of lead Domestic Abuse investigator, the people who were the only one to interview both parties. You don't have a problem with that? If domestic abuse is black and white and clear cut defined 6 game suspension, then why more than a year to do an investigation and pass down a decision? You don't think dragging this out to right before the season, and then getting it caught up in court litigation doesn't make the league look bad? What about his stance on protesters? That's driving away a LOT of fans! These may be small things alone, but when you add them to all the other guffaws of his office, it's a monumental storm of incompetence at best.

[polecatt 399]

If you keep your nose clean, you have no issues.

The big problem I have with that kind of statement is that if you let a power hungry jackarse absorb power for too long, sooner or later you won't be keeping your nose clean as far as they are concerned.

It may be true in the short term but sooner or later, it won't be.

It's just the nature of power hungry jackarses.

[Ray_T 587]

 

What about him ignorning reports of the people who work for his office, the people who have the title of lead Domestic Abuse investigator, the people who were the only one to interview both parties. You don't have a problem with that? If domestic abuse is black and white and clear cut defined 6 game suspension, then why more than a year to do an investigation and pass down a decision? You don't think dragging this out to right before the season, and then getting it caught up in court litigation doesn't make the league look bad? What about his stance on protesters? That's driving away a LOT of fans! These may be small things alone, but when you add them to all the other guffaws of his office, it's a monumental storm of incompetence at best.

I would argue that quashing the Kap protest would have caused him even larger problems.

 

Americans are very protective of their first amendment rights. Those who strongly believe in the first amendment would be marginalized.

 

then, when you further consider that this protest was against unequal treatment of blacks. Well, There are a Lot of Black football fans out there. You dont wanna alienate them either. Not to mention, you dont want to give the impression that you are racist in any way. That would drive away liberals as well.

 

sure a hanful of angry racist white people are angry, but that's a small price to pay when you look at the alternative.

 

Goodell may be a lot of things, but he knows where the money is and it's all about keeping the money coming in.

 

This was a small price to pay to keep the fan base largely in place. You can bet if this happens again the decision would be pretty much the same.

[polecatt 399]

I would argue that quashing the Kap protest would have caused him even larger problems.

 

Americans are very protective of their first amendment rights. Those who strongly believe in the first amendment would be marginalized.

 

then, when you further consider that this protest was against unequal treatment of blacks. Well, There are a Lot of Black football fans out there. You dont wanna alienate them either. Not to mention, you dont want to give the impression that you are racist in any way. That would drive away liberals as well.

 

sure a hanful of angry racist white people are angry, but that's a small price to pay when you look at the alternative.

 

Goodell may be a lot of things, but he knows where the money is and it's all about keeping the money coming in.

 

This was a small price to pay to keep the fan base largely in place. You can bet if this happens again the decision would be pretty much the same.

So you have to be an angry racist white person to disagree with Kaepernick?

I didn't get the message that's what Jim Brown is.

[Ray_T 587]

So you have to be an angry racist white person to disagree with Kaepernick?

I didn't get the message that's what Jim Brown is.

there are a few who just believe protests dont belong in sport. but those fans are not likely to quit watching football because they allowed Kap to do his protest.

 

Goodell cares about money. that's it. This is not about right or wrong at all. not in his eyes anyway.

[Maulers1973 117]

I'm not saying he should have banned anyone over it. I just think there is more he could have done to quote, "protect the shield."

 

The problem with Kaep and anyone else's actions is that they are limited in their perspective. He claims, "I don't mean disrespect to military or vets". Tough nuts buddy. Your actions offended them. You don't get to pick how others feel about your actions. It offends them whether you think it should or not. A LOT of good people wear a badge of authority or enlist to protect our freedoms.

 

There may have been a better way for Kaep and others to get a message out against the few bad ones that made really bad choices with really bad consequences. However, he made his choice and cast a broad net. So, he can live with the consequences. I guess the NFL can too. Though, when certain media outlets ask why are ratings down, I find it downright laughable.

[polecatt 399]

there are a few who just believe protests dont belong in sport. but those fans are not likely to quit watching football because they allowed Kap to do his protest.

 

Goodell cares about money. that's it. This is not about right or wrong at all. not in his eyes anyway.

Actually I would argue those are the ones who would be likely to quit watching.

Many see sports as a diversion from the stresses of real life and don't want politics, morality, etc. according to a major network force fed to them 24/7 when they want to take a break from it all for 3 hours.

Take that diversion away and you could very well lose that fan. Of course there are plenty that are serious fans that will just tune it out and still watch.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Here's a hint...the NFL owners don't give a fock what you, or any of us think, as long as we watch and buy the merchandise. The prices of the games are prohibitive for the average fan, it's set up for corporate america and the wealthy to attend. So your only option is to watch, or not watch. If all of us decide to not watch at the same time time, well, it still won't matter for years because a new TV contract was just signed a short time ago. Goodell is a clown making $40 million per year that guarantees a minimum of a 5% profit and franchise values that go up by at least 10's of millions every year. This is like b!tching that the government is too big or spends too much on hammers. While it might be true, nobody is going to change it.

[TBayXXXVII 2,104]

 

What about him ignorning reports of the people who work for his office, the people who have the title of lead Domestic Abuse investigator, the people who were the only one to interview both parties. You don't have a problem with that? If domestic abuse is black and white and clear cut defined 6 game suspension, then why more than a year to do an investigation and pass down a decision? You don't think dragging this out to right before the season, and then getting it caught up in court litigation doesn't make the league look bad? What about his stance on protesters? That's driving away a LOT of fans! These may be small things alone, but when you add them to all the other guffaws of his office, it's a monumental storm of incompetence at best.

 

No, I don't have a problem with him (in your words), "ignoring reports...". His job is to take in all the information and make a decision. You say "ignore". Do you know for a 100% fact that he ignored them? Isn't it possible that maybe he just didn't agree with them on the end result? Why did it take so long? The NFL doesn't have the same rights and legal tactics that law enforcement does. They can't just force or compel people to tell them things. They have to do things the long way. Sometimes waiting people out is what they have to do. Also, I just don't flat out assume that Goodell and Company have nothing else better to do with their time then investigate this issue apparently like you and some others do. I'm willing to bet that Ezekiel Elliott's case isn't the only thing on Goodell's daily agenda like you seemingly think it ought to be.

 

I don't have a problem with his stance on the protesters. In fact, I completely agree with him. While I don't agree with the players, and it seems Goodell is in the same boat, you shouldn't prevent them from doing it. Now, he can make it a league policy (I think... I don't know this), that will keep the players in the locker room until AFTER the National Anthem is performed. Or... he can even (I believe), not have the National Anthem even performed at all. He made the right move there. Just because you don't agree with him, doesn't make you right and him wrong.

 

Nobody is being driven away. Ok, maybe a few people... at least they "say" they're being driven away, but are they really? Google "Popularity of the NFL". I did. I saw about 3 or 4 links from this calendar year that basically says interest in the NFL is increasing. I saw NONE that said it was decreasing.

[TBayXXXVII 2,104]

Here's a hint...the NFL owners don't give a fock what you, or any of us think, as long as we watch and buy the merchandise. The prices of the games are prohibitive for the average fan, it's set up for corporate america and the wealthy to attend. So your only option is to watch, or not watch. If all of us decide to not watch at the same time time, well, it still won't matter for years because a new TV contract was just signed a short time ago. Goodell is a clown making $40 million per year that guarantees a minimum of a 5% profit and franchise values that go up by at least 10's of millions every year. This is like b!tching that the government is too big or spends too much on hammers. While it might be true, nobody is going to change it.

 

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with the costs of the games being high. My family and I used to have season tickets for the Eagles. When they built the new stadium, we were priced out and couldn't afford to go. While we enjoyed going to the games, we much rather be home. I can flip through the channels and watch other games. I can sit and watch Red Zone whenever I want. I can do both while hanging out with friends with common interests. It's so much more fun to be home than as compared to being at the game. If I want to go to a game, I'll just save money and go when I can. Because the Bucs/Dolphins game is going to be played near Thanksgiving, I'll be able to plan a trip down there with friend and family to see the game.

[polecatt 399]

 

No, I don't have a problem with him (in your words), "ignoring reports...". His job is to take in all the information and make a decision. You say "ignore". Do you know for a 100% fact that he ignored them? Isn't it possible that maybe he just didn't agree with them on the end result? Why did it take so long? The NFL doesn't have the same rights and legal tactics that law enforcement does. They can't just force or compel people to tell them things. They have to do things the long way. Sometimes waiting people out is what they have to do. Also, I just don't flat out assume that Goodell and Company have nothing else better to do with their time then investigate this issue apparently like you and some others do. I'm willing to bet that Ezekiel Elliott's case isn't the only thing on Goodell's daily agenda like you seemingly think it ought to be.

 

I don't have a problem with his stance on the protesters. In fact, I completely agree with him. While I don't agree with the players, and it seems Goodell is in the same boat, you shouldn't prevent them from doing it. Now, he can make it a league policy (I think... I don't know this), that will keep the players in the locker room until AFTER the National Anthem is performed. Or... he can even (I believe), not have the National Anthem even performed at all. He made the right move there. Just because you don't agree with him, doesn't make you right and him wrong.

 

Nobody is being driven away. Ok, maybe a few people... at least they "say" they're being driven away, but are they really? Google "Popularity of the NFL". I did. I saw about 3 or 4 links from this calendar year that basically says interest in the NFL is increasing. I saw NONE that said it was decreasing.

Maybe you should have googled NFL ratings

They were down by about 12% last season

[TBayXXXVII 2,104]

Maybe you should have googled NFL ratings

They were down by about 12% last season

 

LOL... Ratings. Do you have a Nielsen Rating box in your house? I don't. I've never once in my life ever met someone who does. Oh, I'm sure people have them, but it's highly overrated. In short, TV ratings are bogus. Today, people aren't just watching the games on cable. The NFL has the biggest group of fans who are NOT fans of their local sports teams. That's why the Sunday Ticket is so popular. Do you know what the Sunday Ticket doesn't do? It doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system. You know what else doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system? DVR. You know what else doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system? Internet. There are so many avenues that can be used to watch NFL games that aren't associated with the Nielsen Rating system.

[Maulers1973 117]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwitqKDNupHWAhVj74MKHY-sDfAQFggmMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.recode.net%2F2017%2F2%2F4%2F14508632%2Fnfl-tv-ratings-down-moffettnathanson&usg=AFQjCNG54QYkTdhifZlEeMFwl6gY4fZMYA

[Ray_T 587]

 

LOL... Ratings. Do you have a Nielsen Rating box in your house? I don't. I've never once in my life ever met someone who does. Oh, I'm sure people have them, but it's highly overrated. In short, TV ratings are bogus. Today, people aren't just watching the games on cable. The NFL has the biggest group of fans who are NOT fans of their local sports teams. That's why the Sunday Ticket is so popular. Do you know what the Sunday Ticket doesn't do? It doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system. You know what else doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system? DVR. You know what else doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system? Internet. There are so many avenues that can be used to watch NFL games that aren't associated with the Nielsen Rating system.

yep. and soon enough the Nelson ratings will be a thing of the past.

[CornKobb 48]

clown show. lol. so true.

 

GOD-DELL

[brotherbock 349]

I got no problem with yours, It wasn't there when I started to post and I didn't have time to read it

 

I was just feeling left out is all.

[brotherbock 349]

yep. and soon enough the Nelson ratings will be a thing of the past.

 

Is that where Jordy decides for the league which games get a prime time spot?

[yanko 11]

I think it's a double edged sword with him. Personally, I think he's a pompous jackass. I don't like his policies and think he is so arbitrary in what he does that it leads most people to agree he's a power hungry jackass.

 

If you keep your nose clean, you have no issues. The suspensions related to pot though, and not for standing for the National Anthem, confuse me to no end. Why suspend a guy for smoking weed, which is going to be legal everywhere eventually anyway, but you turn off fans who were in the Military or serve their country in other capacaties when people protest the NA and nothing gets done about it.

 

 

You criticize Goodall for being arbitrary and then you follow up by being arbitrary yourself. You say players shouldn't get punished for weed because it might be legal in all states in the future but then want to punish someone bending a knee, which last I checked is currently legal. You can't get any more arbitrary than that.

 

As for the NA protest itself, the national anthem isn't a military anthem. Maybe I missed something but I don't recall Kapernick saying he was protesting the military and even if he was so what? You want Goodall to suspend him? What's next throw out all of the fans who don't take their hats off or don't sing along to the NA like a good old American? I don't know what you are so concern with. Praise for the military is at an all time high. There isn't a day that goes by without some event with a military tribute. 2017 isn't 1970. Americans today seem quite fine with wars with no end. Kap's knee touching the ground isn't going to change that anytime soon.

[brotherbock 349]

You criticize Goodall for being arbitrary and then you follow up by being arbitrary yourself. You say players shouldn't get punished for weed because it might be legal in all states in the future but then want to punish someone bending a knee, which last I checked is currently legal. You can't get any more arbitrary than that.

 

 

Not saying for sure, but reading his post, I don't think he's actually saying the kneeling folks should get punished. He's saying why punish in the one case (where you offend some people) but not punish in the other case (where you offend other people). In other words, that second paragraph you quotes looks like him just illustrating the arbitrariness, not taking a side against the kneelers. Just my read of someone else's post, I could be wrong.

[seafoam1 1,878]

I'm more of the thought that mass media has ruined sports and movie industry the most. I'm sick of hearing about these peoples personal lives. It does help for fantasy sports, but my God, why do I care about players upset about their salary or having a personal issue with another player or blah blah....

 

Given the state of things, I am all for someone trying to clean up the crap that some players execute in their and others lives.

 

Oh well. I will keep playing FF and watch the games. I suggest any who are majorly upset, just move on to pottery (Im serious, pottery wheel work is really fun ).

[yanko 11]

Not saying for sure, but reading his post, I don't think he's actually saying the kneeling folks should get punished. He's saying why punish in the one case (where you offend some people) but not punish in the other case (where you offend other people). In other words, that second paragraph you quotes looks like him just illustrating the arbitrariness, not taking a side against the kneelers. Just my read of someone else's post, I could be wrong.

Read his entire post. He definitely took a side, which is fine by me. My brother served and my father in law is a retired colonel and neither cares what Kap does with his knee.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Fantasy football turned terrible games into watchable events.

 

The owners don't want to get rid of Goodell because they don't want to rock the boat with the money they're making, but, really, a retarded chimp could guide the NFL to huge profits.

This

 

And I hate to say it, but they better milk it as HARD as they can before all the CTE brings the league down a peg or three.

[yanko 11]

NFL RedZone made every game watchable.

[polecatt 399]

 

LOL... Ratings. Do you have a Nielsen Rating box in your house? I don't. I've never once in my life ever met someone who does. Oh, I'm sure people have them, but it's highly overrated. In short, TV ratings are bogus. Today, people aren't just watching the games on cable. The NFL has the biggest group of fans who are NOT fans of their local sports teams. That's why the Sunday Ticket is so popular. Do you know what the Sunday Ticket doesn't do? It doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system. You know what else doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system? DVR. You know what else doesn't participate in the Nielsen Rating system? Internet. There are so many avenues that can be used to watch NFL games that aren't associated with the Nielsen Rating system.

Perhaps but the big TV money still uses it and as long as the NFL relies on that, they are very relevant

I seriously doubt they are saying, well Fox ratings are down but who cares because more people are pirating it on the internet or DVRing it and fast forwarding through the ads

[brotherbock 349]

Read his entire post. He definitely took a side, which is fine by me. My brother served and my father in law is a retired colonel and neither cares what Kap does with his knee.

 

Yep, I did read his entire post. What he said there is that he knows people who have definitely taken a side, and that Goodell's arbitrariness has 'taken a toll'. That's not at all the same thing as saying that the protesters should be punished. At least that's how I read it.

[seafoam1 1,878]

One thing is consistent, if you stay clean, you don't have to worry about Goodell.

 

Right?

 

I haven't seen him go against Drew Brees and JJ Watt for a reason.

I haven't seen him go against David Johnson. Or am I wrong? What about Crabtree or Evans or Cousins or Thomas or Kelce or Wentz or Hyde? I'm not sure. Maybe he did. Any thoughts?

 

And I wonder if he did if they did anything to deserve it?

[TBayXXXVII 2,104]

Perhaps but the big TV money still uses it and as long as the NFL relies on that, they are very relevant

I seriously doubt they are saying, well Fox ratings are down but who cares because more people are pirating it on the internet or DVRing it and fast forwarding through the ads

 

They don't use it either... when it comes to sports, especially the NFL. Have you ever once read an article from Fox or CBS that they're concerned about the ratings from the NFL? No, you haven't.

[Maulers1973 117]

 

They don't use it either... when it comes to sports, especially the NFL. Have you ever once read an article from Fox or CBS that they're concerned about the ratings from the NFL? No, you haven't.

 

It's year 1 Slick. What do you think will happen if the ratings are down again for a 2nd year in a row this season. These things don't happen over night. They evolve. Then, when the result sinks in, everyone wonders how could this happen. It can happen because the person in power to effect positive change was incompetent, and the people who put him there were to busy sucking on the money teet at the time to balls up and make a change.

 

Jerry might have the stones to rally the troops, but I don't know. I think Clownshow's new deal is probably signed and sealed by now.

[TBayXXXVII 2,104]

 

It's year 1 Slick. What do you think will happen if the ratings are down again for a 2nd year in a row this season. These things don't happen over night. They evolve. Then, when the result sinks in, everyone wonders how could this happen. It can happen because the person in power to effect positive change was incompetent, and the people who put him there were to busy sucking on the money teet at the time to balls up and make a change.

 

Jerry might have the stones to rally the troops, but I don't know. I think Clownshow's new deal is probably signed and sealed by now.

 

#1. You're making assumptions that Ratings really are down. As was shown, they are completely unreliable.

#2. If they really are down, you're making an assumption that it's because of Goodell... and not because of the CTE potential - to which, Goodell has nothing to do with.

 

You got some pretty big assumptions there chief. You have absolutely no way to prove either is true or false. Bad corner to paint yourself in.

[Maulers1973 117]

You're right. It's as if I just made it all up. Links and sources count for nothing. Oh wait, I forgot, you disproved all that with your opinion. Nice!!

[rallo 132]

 

They don't use it either... when it comes to sports, especially the NFL. Have you ever once read an article from Fox or CBS that they're concerned about the ratings from the NFL? No, you haven't.

Why would they publish an article like that when it would devalue their potential advertising revenue? It would be a conflict of interest... they would have to be extremely stupid to willingly devalue their own product to potential buyers