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One of McCabe's defenders (Brennan?) stating he is being used as a scapegoat. That alone indicates wrongdoing occurred. You can't have a scapegoat if everything was on the up and up.

 

 

So now we find out Michael Ohr has been interviewed by FBI 17 times since the election. 17..............yep nothing to see. :lol:

 


Ohr FD-302 12/19/16 (interview date 11/22/16);
Ohr FD-302 12/19/16 (interview date 12/05/16);
Ohr FD-302 12/19/16 (interview date 12/12/16);
Ohr FD-302 12/27/16 (interview date 12/20/16);
Ohr FD-302 01/27/17 (interview date 01/27/17);
Ohr FD-302 01/31/17 (interview date 01/23/17);
Ohr FD-302 01/27/17 (interview date 01/25/17);
Ohr FD-302 02/08/17 (interview date 02/06/17);
Ohr FD-302 02/15/17 (interview date 02/14/17);
Ohr FD-302 05/10/17 (interview date 05/08/17);
Ohr FD-302 05/12/17 (interview date 05/12/17);
Ohr FD-302 05/16/17 (interview date 05/15/17).
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So one of you can point out what the IG actually said? Somehow have access to a report that hasnt been made public?

 

Here you go, even a source that you have linked before:

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

 

 

After an extensive and fair investigation and according to Department of Justice procedure, the Department’s Office of the Inspector General (OIG) provided its report on allegations of misconduct by Andrew McCabe to the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR).

The FBI’s OPR then reviewed the report and underlying documents and issued a disciplinary proposal recommending the dismissal of Mr. McCabe. Both the OIG and FBI OPR reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor—including under oath—on multiple occasions.
The FBI expects every employee to adhere to the highest standards of honesty, integrity, and accountability. As the OPR proposal stated, “all FBI employees know that lacking candor under oath results in dismissal and that our integrity is our brand.”
Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.

 

 

So either Jeff Sessions, the OPR (appointed by Obama), and the IG (appointed by Obama) are all lying..... or McCabe did what they claim he did.

 

 

Lawfare spin:

The FBI takes telling the truth extremely seriously: “lack of candor” from employees is a fireable offense—and people are fired for it. Moreover, it doesn’t take an outright lie to be dismissed. In one case, the bureau fired an agent after he initially gave an ambiguous statement to investigators as to how many times he had picked up his daughter from daycare in an FBI vehicle. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit ruled against the agent when he appealed, finding that “lack of candor is established by showing that the FBI agent did not ‘respond fully and truthfully’ to the questions he was asked.”

Consider also that although Sessions made the ultimate call to fire McCabe, the public record shows that the process resulting in the FBI deputy director’s dismissal involved career Justice Department and FBI officials—rather than political appointees selected by President Trump—at crucial points along the way. To begin with, the charges against McCabe arose out of the broader Justice Department Office of Inspector General (OIG) investigation into the FBI’s handling of the Clinton email investigation. While the inspector general is appointed by the president, the current head of that office, Michael Horowitz, was appointed by President Barack Obama and is himself a former career Justice Department lawyer. As Jack Goldsmith has written, the inspector general has a great deal of statutory independence, which Horowitz has not hesitated to use: Most notably, he produced a highly critical 2012 report into the Justice Department’s “Fast and Furious” program. So a process that begins with Horowitz and his office carries a presumption of fairness and independence.
After investigating McCabe, Horowitz’s office provided a report on McCabe’s conduct to the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR), which investigates allegations of misconduct against bureau employees. This office is headed by career Justice Department official Candace Will, whom then-FBI Director Robert Mueller appointed to lead the OPR in 2004. According to Sessions, the Office of Professional Responsibility agreed with Horowitz’s assessment that McCabe “lacked candor” in speaking to internal investigators.
Finally, Sessions’s statement references “the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official” in advocating McCabe’s firing on the basis of the OIG and OPR determinations. (The official in question appears to be Associate Deputy Attorney General Scott Schools.)
So while Sessions made the decision to dismiss McCabe, career officials or otherwise independent actors were involved in conducting the investigation into the deputy director and recommending his dismissal on multiple levels.

 

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What was Flynn accused of?

 

What was McCabe accused of?

 

Hint: lying to the FBI/DOJ

Again....saying McCabe was lying is still not established fact.

Also...what were the lies concerning? Care to really admit that difference troll?

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Here you go, even a source that you have linked before:

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

 

 

 

So either Jeff Sessions, the OPR (appointed by Obama), and the IG (appointed by Obama) are all lying..... or McCabe did what they claim he did.

 

 

Lawfare spin:

You just made my point for me. We dont have the report...we have a memo from Jeff Sessions. We dont have the OpR statement...we dont have the IG report...we have Sessions stating he lacked Candor (funny with him too given how much he likes the phrase I dont recall when he has testified). No report yet from the IG and no mention yet of lying.

 

Which is what begs the question of why the expedited portion of the IG report that isnt finished...was this the full in proper process (McCabe certainly disputes that). And what,if any, pressure was in Sessions from above.

If he lied...fine...fire him.

But there damn sure are legit questions in the timing and thus far the actual report that despite your attempt you still havent seen (none of us have).

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Again....saying McCabe was lying is still not established fact.

Also...what were the lies concerning? Care to really admit that difference troll?

you mean the fact that one guy was under oath and lied mutliple times and the other was set up and sabotaged during a suprise interview where he wasn't under oath ?

Or the part where Comey testified he didn't believe Flynn lied ?

 

Yeah definite big differences, I'm glad I can point them out for you.

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Someone is in an alternate reality alright...

Honestly at this point both sides are. Both sides have talking heads telling them what they want to hear.

 

The truth? God only knows what that is anymore. Anyone who thinks they know the truth of all this is a sheep, for one side or the other.

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Honestly at this point both sides are. Both sides have talking heads telling them what they want to hear.

 

The truth? God only knows what that is anymore. Anyone who thinks they know the truth of all this is a sheep, for one side or the other.

if you followed along impartially, fighting the urge to defend all things left, you'd be seeing the whole Hillary investigation/trump Russian collusion for what it was and is.

There is more than enough facts out there for any common sense having adult to see it.

 

Fight the urge and just accept the facts.

And what we know as fact now is only the tip of the iceberg.

 

The previous administration was a corrupt criminal organization who freely used our judicial, intelligence and state departments as weapons against Americans and to give free passes to blatant in your face criminals.

 

Nobody should be ok with that.

It happened and there's enough out there to know that, no matter what side of the aisle you lean.

This isn't about left or right, this is about right and wrong.

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if you followed along impartially, fighting the urge to defend all things left, you'd be seeing the whole Hillary investigation/trump Russian collusion for what it was and is.

There is more than enough facts out there for any common sense having adult to see it.

 

Fight the urge and just accept the facts.

 

That's a very fair assessment.

 

So many red flags were raised EARLY in 2017 with the Trump/Russia investigation and it's been nothing short of staggering the breadth of the corruption perpetrated by the Obama administration to retain their power in Washington.

 

When the I.G. rolls out his report along with the subsequent criminal referrals, people that have been defending the left's actions are going to COMPLETELY lose their sh!t unless they start acknowledging the truth about their party.

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That's a very fair assessment.

 

So many red flags were raised EARLY in 2017 with the Trump/Russia investigation and it's been nothing short of staggering the breadth of the corruption perpetrated by the Obama administration to retain their power in Washington.

 

When the I.G. rolls out his report along with the subsequent criminal referrals, people that have been defending the left's actions are going to COMPLETELY lose their sh!t unless they start acknowledging the truth about their party.

they will remain in denial and the leaders of the cartel will send their thugs to riot and cause destruction.

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Pretty telling how many Republicans are coming out against how this whole thing went down.

which ones?

Says a lot.

The guys worth 7 million , time for the hacks to stop pretending they care.

They didn't give a flying fock about Flynn.

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Pretty telling how many Republicans are coming out against how this whole thing went down.

Agreed. Shows that both sides need some major culling. Of course, most of us already knew that.

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"what's it like to be married to a LOSER?"

 

-Trump to McCabe.

 

Classy. jeezus...

 

BTW, factually, Trump has donated more to Dems than the entire investigative committee.

 

- you can sense the panic when McCabe brought up that he too had memos that he gave to Meuller.

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Honestly at this point both sides are. Both sides have talking heads telling them what they want to hear.

 

The truth? God only knows what that is anymore. Anyone who thinks they know the truth of all this is a sheep, for one side or the other.

Ive not quited one talking head and stated only we need to see what the report actually is.

There is no Both sides are the same to this.

One side osncaling Mueller Investigation wrong while believing every conspiracy possible about democrats.

The other is saying lets see the IG report and what Mueller actually comes up with.

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if you followed along impartially, fighting the urge to defend all things left, you'd be seeing the whole Hillary investigation/trump Russian collusion for what it was and is.

There is more than enough facts out there for any common sense having adult to see it.

 

Fight the urge and just accept the facts.

And what we know as fact now is only the tip of the iceberg.

 

The previous administration was a corrupt criminal organization who freely used our judicial, intelligence and state departments as weapons against Americans and to give free passes to blatant in your face criminals.

 

Nobody should be ok with that.

It happened and there's enough out there to know that, no matter what side of the aisle you lean.

This isn't about left or right, this is about right and wrong.

See what Im saying Titans?

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they will remain in denial and the leaders of the cartel will send their thugs to riot and cause destruction.

Hilarious coming from the two of you...who keep denying every actual known fact about all of this.

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The only known fact is McCabe was fired by the FBI for at minimum "a lack of candor".

True...though minimum suggest there was more which there doesnt seem to be any actual indication of.

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True...though minimum suggest there was more which there doesnt seem to be any actual indication of.

You'd have to open your eyes and take your hands off your ears to actually see or hear the additional evidence against McCabe. :doh:

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True...though minimum suggest there was more which there doesnt seem to be any actual indication of.

Suggestions aren't facts, are they?

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You added the minimum part...not me.

Because it's true. He was fired. Fact. The least fireable offense would be a lack of candor. That would be minimum.

 

Another suggestion, which isn't fact, is that Trump had anything to do with the firing. His name shouldn't even enter this thread. If we are talking facts, that is.

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Because it's true. He was fired. Fact. The least fireable offense would be a lack of candor. That would be minimum.

 

Another suggestion, which isn't fact, is that Trump had anything to do with the firing. His name shouldn't even enter this thread. If we are talking facts, that is.

Its the only offense mentioned.

Fact.

His name may enter the thread to discuss other issues involved.

And if you are only wanting facts posted in other thread...I suggest you get very consistent with that.

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McCabe could be on video murdering some one and SLO would debate the definition of murder.

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'If that focking bastard wins, we all hang from nooses!' Hillary Clinton

 

Make more and more sense every day.

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They couldn't list: he altered 302s of agents, conspired to coordinate a meeting with FISA judge, manufactured evidence to leak, etc....criminal charges.

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They couldn't list: he altered 302s of agents, conspired to coordinate a meeting with FISA judge, manufactured evidence to leak, etc....criminal charges.

Not hard to figure out who the redacted name in the Sztork/Page e-mails is. It's either MCCabe or Comey. Who else could it be?

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Not hard to figure out who the redacted name in the Sztork/Page e-mails is. It's either MCCabe or Comey. Who else could it be?

Actually, I think it's got to be someone who isn't cooperating. Strzok, Page, Ohr, Baker and Priestrap all still employed so they're talking to I.G. The list might include McCabe, Rybicki, Kortan, but I'm not sure on Comey.

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Actually, I think it's got to be someone who isn't cooperating. Strzok, Page, Ohr, Baker and Priestrap all still employed so they're talking to I.G. The list might include McCabe, Rybicki, Kortan, but I'm not sure on Comey.

It sounds like it's someone they have to run things by. That narrows it down.

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It sounds like it's someone they have to run things by. That narrows it down.

 

One other point HT...............they were jumping through those hoops hoping to avoid exposing their personal relationship (Strzok and Contreras) for one reason; so he wouldn't be forced to recuse himself. Recuse himself from..................what? The FISA application? Surely they didn't already have him lined up for Flynn, right? Smoking focking gun. Contreras WAS the initiating Judge for the FISA against Page.

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One other point HT...............they were jumping through those hoops hoping to avoid exposing their personal relationship (Strzok and Contreras) for one reason; so he wouldn't be forced to recuse himself. Recuse himself from..................what? The FISA application? Surely they didn't already have him lined up for Flynn, right? Smoking focking gun. Contreras WAS the initiating Judge for the FISA against Page.

Great point. It's going to be the motherload avalanche of tears for libtards when some of these softies start singing. And they will.

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Great point. It's going to be the motherload avalanche of tears for libtards when some of these softies start singing. And they will.

 

Wait...what? The motherload of tears? I thought's that's what we're getting now? You mean to tell me the national liberal hysteria we're currently in - there's more? Oh .

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https://spectator.org/the-real-andrew-mccabe/

 

Subsequently, Gritz’s lawyer notified the EEOC that Flynn and other top officials would be witnesses on her behalf. The FBI’s predictably futile and laughable effort to preclude such testimony was unsuccessful, and McCabe was required to submit an opposing sworn statement to EEOC investigators.

 

In doing so, McCabe got his spurs tangled. He admitted under oath that the FBI had started an internal investigation into Gritz’s personal conduct after learning that she “had filed or intended to file” a sex discrimination complaint against her supervisors. This bone-headed statement constituted an unequivocal and legally fatal admission that the FBI had illegally retaliated against Gritz for exercising her protected right to file such a complaint.

 

This was not McCabe’s only unforced error. Two weeks after Gritz filed her EEOC complaint, McCabe had her investigated by the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility for “time card irregularities”. This inspired move constituted yet another illegal retaliatory act and pure gold for Gritz’s case.

 

For someone with a law degree, McCabe had made a complete fool of himself.

 

Not surprisingly McCabe seems to have a reason to hate Flynn. Flynn backed an employee who filed an EEOC complaint against McCabe a couple years ago. McCabe even admitted under oath they opened investigations on this agent in a retaliatory fashion. Ouch.

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https://spectator.org/the-real-andrew-mccabe/

 

 

 

Not surprisingly McCabe seems to have a reason to hate Flynn. Flynn backed an employee who filed an EEOC complaint against McCabe a couple years ago. McCabe even admitted under oath they opened investigations on this agent in a retaliatory fashion. Ouch.

So, where are the libtards to defend poor little Andy now? No #metoo?

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So, where are the libtards to defend poor little Andy now? No #metoo?

Better question is why they would defend someone they never met who did things about which they have no knowledge. Who then got fired for doing things about which there is no dispute.

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Better question is why they would defend someone they never met who did things about which they have no knowledge. Who then got fired for doing things about which there is no dispute.

Yeah, it's a great example of TDS.

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https://spectator.org/the-real-andrew-mccabe/

 

 

 

Not surprisingly McCabe seems to have a reason to hate Flynn. Flynn backed an employee who filed an EEOC complaint against McCabe a couple years ago. McCabe even admitted under oath they opened investigations on this agent in a retaliatory fashion. Ouch.

 

Holy sheeeeeet. One thing I do remember from all the BS mandatory training I have to take is it is against the law to retaliate against someone who has filed an EEO complaint.

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Holy sheeeeeet. One thing I do remember from all the BS mandatory training I have to take is it is against the law to retaliate against someone who has filed an EEO complaint.

That was the biggest thing they hammerd into us when I've taken that training. MCCabe really needs to fade away for his own good. It doesn't seem like he was too popular with the rank and file. More of his dirt will be revealed as long as he keeps himself in the public eye

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