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Why Zeke Should be Drafted Middle First Round

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Using FFToday Default Scoring, the Top 4 RB are;

 

DJ. 297

Bell 258

McCoy 227 (14.2 per game)

Freeman 215 (13.4 per game)

 

Zeke comes in at 164 (= 16.4 per game over a projected 10 games played)

 

For the purpose of this discussion, assume a 13 week regular FF season, with playoffs in weeks 14-16. The maximum number of games played during the regular season is 12 (I.e., 13 minus bye week).

 

Let's assume that you draft McFadden in Round 7. Very conservatively, McFadden is likely to average at least 10 points per game for the first six games while Zeke is suspended. That would put him on par with guys like Paul Perkins and Bilal Powell, who are projected to score 10 points per game. (Running behind that Dallas O-Line, I think McFadden can put up closer to 12/game, but let's be conservative.)

 

If you get six games out of McFadden (6 x 10 = 60) and 16.4 from Zeke for 6 regular season games (6 x 16.4 = 98), that's a total of 158 points out of the Dallas backfield.

 

How does that compare with drafting Freeman, who is ranked by FF Today as the RB4 ?

 

At 13.4/game, and assuming Freeman stays healthy for 12 games, doesn't lose significant carries to Tevin Coleman, etc., Freeman projects to score 161 points for the FF regular season (12 x 13.4 = 161). That is essentially the same number of points that you will get out of the McFadden/Zeke combo.

 

But,... there are two things that need to be considered that make Zeke the more compelling draft pick;

 

1. The numbers above only consider the 13 game regular FF season. By drafting Zeke in the middle of the first round, and assuming you make the playoffs, you will now have Zeke going into the playoffs, ... hitting your stride when it matters most.

 

2. There is still a reasonable chance that Zeke will end up being suspended for less than six games, which makes the argument for drafting him early even more compelling.

 

You may say,... "Your analysis is unfair because you're utilizing two roster spots (Round 1 and Round 7) and comparing that to a single player/roster spot". Perhaps, but if you draft Freeman, aren't you going to use a 6th or 7th round pick on Tevin Coleman anyway? If so, that makes the comparison a truer apples to apples comparison.

 

Finally, assuming the 6 game suspension holds up, I can almost guarantee you that Zeke will be healthy with fresh legs when he hits the field in week 8. Guys like McCoy, Freeman, and Gordon will have a good amount of wear and tear by then.

 

Depending on your scoring system, the WRs need to be in the discussion as well, specifically Brown, Jones, and Beckham. My point is that pulling the trigger on Zeke in the middle of the first round is perfectly reasonable at the very least, and perhaps a great gamble and strategy at best.

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Too long to read. Can you give me the cliff notes on why I would draft a RB that will not play until week 8 as the first 6 players off the board.

 

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Too long to read. Can you give me the cliff notes on why I would draft a RB that will not play until week 8 as the first 6 players off the board.

 

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he is suggesting that one also prematurely draft mcfadden to cover the suspension. he sees value in prematurely drafting 2 rb's (to start one of them) with 2 of your first 7 picks.While i like mcfadden, i do not think he will post rb1 numbers (though in ppr he does catch some passes to boost his avg ppg). i am not seeing how he compensated with value at the other skill positions.

 

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OP, how many mocks have you done grabbing zeke in the 1st and mcfadden in the 7th. please let us know how the rest of you roster looks. i foresee you playing catch up with wr, rb2, te. a little at qb, depending on when the run starts.

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he is suggesting that one also prematurely draft mcfadden to cover the suspension. he sees value in prematurely drafting 2 rb's (to start one of them) with 2 of your first 7 picks.While i like mcfadden, i do not think he will post rb1 numbers (though in ppr he does catch some passes to boost his avg ppg). i am not seeing how he compensated with value at the other skill positions.

What I am saying is that

 

QB,

Zeke,

RB, WR, WR, Flex, TE, K, DEF,

7th round pick of McFadden

 

Is a Better team than

 

QB,

any RB that you choose in Round 1 not named DJ or Bell,

RB, WR, WR, Flex, TE, K, DEF

any RB you pick in the 7th round

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What I am saying is that

 

QB,

Zeke,

RB, WR, WR, Flex, TE, K, DEF,

7th round pick of McFadden

 

Is a Better team than

 

QB,

any RB that you choose in Round 1 not named DJ or Bell,

RB, WR, WR, Flex, TE, K, DEF

any RB you pick in the 7th round

 

this depends on how you draft. i believe option A puts you on your heels playing catch up.

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Or, and I know this is crazy...

 

don't draft a RB in rd1. And then take Zeke in rd2. That way you lose your league because of your 2nd round pick instead of your 1st round pick. Won't sting as bad...

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I think it's a goodass post and it makes sense to me. I'm considering this move with the 7th pick.

 

I'm a good reader so it wasn't an issue to read the entire thing.

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Or, and I know this is crazy...

 

don't draft a RB in rd1. And then take Zeke in rd2. That way you lose your league because of your 2nd round pick instead of your 1st round pick. Won't sting as bad...

He won't last that long in my league

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i would prefer to draft mcfadden as my rb3

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I think it's a goodass post and it makes sense to me. I'm considering this move with the 7th pick.

I'm a good reader so it wasn't an issue to read the entire thing.

Thanks. I know that there are a lot of people throwing shade at me, but they are not realizing the value of this strategy. I know that it is counter intuitive to many. How can you overdraft and reach for two guys and be better off? It's a situation/strategy that makes 1 + 1 equal 3. That's why I posted this.

 

If anyone wants me to prove it to them, I will. I just ask that you be respectful in your discussions.

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Leveon with 3 games was regularly going in the 2nd last year (got him in all 3 leagues)

 

Zeke is no Leveon, if someone wants to take him in the second round so be it, I might consider him in the 3rd, MIGHT

 

I dont want to draft a guy with the thought of having to draft another guy just to get him, last year there were a few guys that you could plug for Bell, guys like DWill obviously, but also Ware (Charles was supposed to miss 2-3 games) and a few others who were good PPR matchups

 

anyways, I would rather take Gordon, Mccoy, or a WR.

 

Mcfadden is no guarantee anyways, but give me Gordon and Powell or Riddick and my team will be better all year than worrying about Zeke and Mcfadden.

 

What you are failing to look at is that with situation no 2, you have a solid flex/rb2 to fill in for other byes and most certainly injuries

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Thanks. I know that there are a lot of people throwing shade at me, but they are not realizing the value of this strategy. I know that it is counter intuitive to many. How can you overdraft and reach for two guys and be better off? It's a situation/strategy that makes 1 + 1 equal 3. That's why I posted this.

 

If anyone wants me to prove it to them, I will. I just ask that you be respectful in your discussions.

 

They are throwing shade at you because they don't believe in the value the way you do. It's not that they don't realize it. You're looking at the whole situation in a very positive light which is fine because it could possibly happen. You're ignoring the risk a little more than the others who choose to avoid this strategy.

 

I prefer to ignore the huge risk and instead grabbed two top WRs with my first two picks. I was still able to get DeMarco in the 3rd round while handcuffing him with Henry in the 13th round.

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i appreciate the post. You've convinced me to take him in the 2nd round if he's there. There is some risk to taking him mid 1st. But i'm going to think about this some more.

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Would have taken him in the second round today but someone drafted him in the first round with the 10th pick. Will try this Sunday at my other draft to see if I can get him in the second

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he is suggesting that one also prematurely draft mcfadden to cover the suspension. he sees value in prematurely drafting 2 rb's (to start one of them) with 2 of your first 7 picks.While i like mcfadden, i do not think he will post rb1 numbers (though in ppr he does catch some passes to boost his avg ppg). i am not seeing how he compensated with value at the other skill positions.

 

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OP, how many mocks have you done grabbing zeke in the 1st and mcfadden in the 7th. please let us know how the rest of you roster looks. i foresee you playing catch up with wr, rb2, te. a little at qb, depending on when the run starts.

it's not a terrible idea. but that does not make me wanna draft zeke in round 1 of a redraft.

 

If you were drafting at the turn, you might be able to convince me because you could grab another RB or WR in tandem and then grab DMC late in the draft to cover Zekes down weeks.

 

but that is about as early as I'd consider going.

 

ideally, if you draft late in round 2 that would be the ideal place to grab him.

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Thanks. I know that there are a lot of people throwing shade at me, but they are not realizing the value of this strategy. I know that it is counter intuitive to many. How can you overdraft and reach for two guys and be better off? It's a situation/strategy that makes 1 + 1 equal 3. That's why I posted this.

 

If anyone wants me to prove it to them, I will. I just ask that you be respectful in your discussions.

 

 

 

They are throwing shade at you because they don't believe in the value the way you do. It's not that they don't realize it. You're looking at the whole situation in a very positive light which is fine because it could possibly happen. You're ignoring the risk a little more than the others who choose to avoid this strategy.

 

I prefer to ignore the huge risk and instead grabbed two top WRs with my first two picks. I was still able to get DeMarco in the 3rd round while handcuffing him with Henry in the 13th round.

 

Smath...you are asking us if we are understanding the math.

 

i have been playing since 91 and for the past 9 years have been playing wcoff and ffpc (being up $$ from them). do you understand probability, and what i mean when i state that you will be chasing value until maybe round 10 or so? there is nothing new to a strategy of grabbing a b/u to cover early games (i am looking at players like mcfadden, ware, j rodgers knowing that their teams' reliance on them will change as the season moves on). and on the flip side, looking at zeke, hunt, henry, martin for the second half. have you looked at how your team A will look vs team B via mocks. if you go with zeke in the 1st, how are you then drafting (yes... it will depend on draft order and who is available)? Who will you rb1 be for potentially half of your season? will the wr's compensate for the lack of scoring....for 6 games?

 

your math is fine, just incomplete and optimistic

 

 

hawkeye- demarco in the 3rd is a gift and have not seen occur in any mocks. i do not think people can count on him being there.

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They are throwing shade at you because they don't believe in the value the way you do. It's not that they don't realize it. You're looking at the whole situation in a very positive light which is fine because it could possibly happen. You're ignoring the risk a little more than the others who choose to avoid this strategy.

 

I prefer to ignore the huge risk and instead grabbed two top WRs with my first two picks. I was still able to get DeMarco in the 3rd round while handcuffing him with Henry in the 13th round.

If you get Demarco in the 3rd, then your league has issues. That's a bad example.

 

The reason to consider this is there are few game changers in the NFL like this kid. He's young, explosive, doesn't share carries, and could win you your league single handedly.

 

Fantasy is volatile as heck, especially at RB. Very few sure things. This kid is pretty close to a sure thing when on the field. I think it's worthy of consideration

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I think this would work great if you're in the kind of league where everyone fills their starting lineup before hitting the bench. Caution: I think that in many drafts, someone is going to jump on DMC in the 5th or 6th. Most RBs outside of the top 5 to 10 have a ton of questions, and the "guarantee" of 6 weeks behind the Dallas line is going to look pretty appealing when the draft clock is ticking and your other options are Gillislee and Paul Perkins.

 

Taking Zeke in the first doesn't really give you much leeway for any other splurges, like Brady/Rodgers or an early tight end. I prefer to leave my draft a little wider open unless I'm at the turn, where the odds of value coming back to me are lower.

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A few will get drafted in the first and bust, guaranteed. Happens every year. After dj and Bell questions arise on any other RB. This is not that far fetched

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I think this would work great if you're in the kind of league where everyone fills their starting lineup before hitting the bench. Caution: I think that in many drafts, someone is going to jump on DMC in the 5th or 6th. Most RBs outside of the top 5 to 10 have a ton of questions, and the "guarantee" of 6 weeks behind the Dallas line is going to look pretty appealing when the draft clock is ticking and your other options are Gillislee and Paul Perkins.

 

Taking Zeke in the first doesn't really give you much leeway for any other splurges, like Brady/Rodgers or an early tight end. I prefer to leave my draft a little wider open unless I'm at the turn, where the odds of value coming back to me are lower.

Ha, they want DMC that bad they can have him. I'll take gilleslee and enjoy all of his tds every week.

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I dont know about you guys, but in my leagues a bunch of guys are dicks too, if I am drafting 6 and take Zeke, I know guys 5 and 7 are going to take Mcfadden earlier as well just to F me

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I dont know about you guys, but in my leagues a bunch of guys are dicks too, if I am drafting 6 and take Zeke, I know guys 5 and 7 are going to take Mcfadden earlier as well just to F me

But then won't they be leaving you someone else?

 

If I pick Zeke I'm not going to bank on DMC as my#2

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Smath...you are asking us if we are understanding the math.

 

i have been playing since 91 and for the past 9 years have been playing wcoff and ffpc (being up $$ from them). do you understand probability, and what i mean when i state that you will be chasing value until maybe round 10 or so? there is nothing new to a strategy of grabbing a b/u to cover early games (i am looking at players like mcfadden, ware, j rodgers knowing that their teams' reliance on them will change as the season moves on). and on the flip side, looking at zeke, hunt, henry, martin for the second half. have you looked at how your team A will look vs team B via mocks. if you go with zeke in the 1st, how are you then drafting (yes... it will depend on draft order and who is available)? Who will you rb1 be for potentially half of your season? will the wr's compensate for the lack of scoring....for 6 games?

 

your math is fine, just incomplete and optomistic

I happen to be VERY good at math. And I have done many mocks. While I totally respect your FF accomplishments, what I am saying is that this is a unique situation that goes above and beyond drafting a handcuff. If playing full time, Zeke is a Top 3 player in many formats. And I fully expect McFadden to put up RB 1 type numbers for six games. Not bad for a seventh round pick. What you lose in "chasing value" you more than make up for in other ways. McFadden will Far outperform his draft position for the first six weeks, and Zeke will significantly outperform his draft position for the last six weeks and into the playoffs. Let's use an example.

 

Assume that you are drafting from the 7th position, and for simplicity sake, assume there is no K or DEF. and you are drafting the following with your first 8 picks; QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, Flex, TE, bench

 

Do you agree that a reasonable team (using FF Today cheat sheet and ADP) might look like this? ;

 

1.07 RB Freeman

2.06 WR Dez

3.07 WR Hopkins

4.06 RB Ware

5.07 TE Olson

6.06 WR Tate

7.07 RB Gore

8.06 QB Winston

 

These aren't the exact players you would take, and you can feel free to substitute whatever your preferred players are (within reason).

 

All I am saying is that if you field your best lineup every week, I can beat you if I draft the same exact team as you (in a mirror image draft) with the only exceptions being substituting Zeke for Freeman and McFadden for Gore (or a comparable mid 7th round selection). Don't get distracted by the specific names. Whatever players are available to you at your draft position will be available to me in my mirror image draft. I'm not chasing anyone.

 

One thing I think you may be missing in your logic is that your bench player will outscore Zeke by a LOT in weeks 1-6. And your bench player will outscore McFadden by a LOT in weeks 8-13, but what good does that do you if they're on your bench?!! Otherwise, I am drafting the same exact WRs, QB, and TE as you, and starting a very similar lineup as you with the exception of two positions 1. RB1 and 2. Bench.

 

I appreciate the civil debate

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I dont know about you guys, but in my leagues a bunch of guys are dicks too, if I am drafting 6 and take Zeke, I know guys 5 and 7 are going to take Mcfadden earlier as well just to F me

well, those guys arent too bright. DMC has value to you and for the most part you only. so if someone takes him early, there will be someone else left available for you who you may want for the full season.

 

there are plenty of starting RB's that can be had late who will be at least adequate for the period Zeke is out

one example: Terrence West. He's ranked low, but his competition for the starting carries got hurt in preseason and is out for the year. So West is starting. I dont see a 32 year Woodhead who has played only 18 games over the last 3 seasons pushing him out.

 

he put up adequate numbers last year. I drafted him to be my #3 RB, but Doug martin got hurt and I had to roll with West. He did alright. and I would think DMC may do slightly better on a per game basis but West may be the better value all around and he could be your #3 for the rest of the year if needed.

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well, those guys arent too bright. DMC has value to you and for the most part you only. so if someone takes him early, there will be someone else left available for you who you may want for the full season.

 

there are plenty of starting RB's that can be had late who will be at least adequate for the period Zeke is out

 

one example: Terrence West. He's ranked low, but his competition for the starting carries got hurt in preseason and is out for the year. So West is starting. I dont see a 32 year Woodhead who has played only 18 games over the last 3 seasons pushing him out.

 

he put up adequate numbers last year. I drafted him to be my #3 RB, but Doug martin got hurt and I had to roll with West. He did alright. and I would think DMC may do slightly better on a per game basis but West may be the better value all around and he could be your #3 for the rest of the year if needed.

Agree.

 

West, Gore, Kelley, Stewart, Rawls,.... these are all guys available around the seventh round that can be paired effectively with Zeke if some takes DMac

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with injuries and suspension this is not such a unique scenario these days. while i get that we will all have different values for players, but your example forces me to mirror your draft. that may not be my strategy for the 7 spot. i will do a quick 8 round mock as i am typing to see how it might fall for me.... additionally, i might already be targeting mcfadden with or without zeke.

 

mccoy (freeman went 1.6, safe to assume one or the other at 7)

dez

mccaffrey

crabtree

graham

carr

mcfadden

thielen (or cobb, decker)

 

frankly i think this team consistently beats your draft.

 

 

edit: also based on how we can flex and scoring, i might have gone with another te. if can start 3 rb:

 

carr

mccoy

mccaffrey

dez

crabtree

graham

1 flex: mcfadden

2 flex: theilen/cobb/decker/walker

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also I must say, I like your effort and am not trying to be rude about it

Thanks. Understood.

 

If past years are an indication, I will assemble a very strong bench during the last third of my draft that I anticipate will serve me well during bye weeks, injuries, etc

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I had the 7th pick in a 10-teamer, decided to take Zeke in the 2nd rd after taking Gordon with my first pick (start 2-RB; 3-WR; Flex)

 

1.) M. Gordon

2.) E. Elliot

3.) T. Brady

4.) T. Pryor

5.) G. Olsen

6.) W. Snead

7.) B. Powell

8.) D. Jackson

9.) P. Garcon

10.) M. Gillislee

 

My RB's are good with Gordon/Powell/Gillislee; WR's aren't the best but should be able to get by. I never draft a QB early, thus I never end up with Rodgers or Brady, but decided to in this draft just for the heck of it. lol

 

If Elliot's suspension is reduced to 3 or 4 games, getting Elliot in the 2nd could work out.

 

I have another draft coming up this weekend, in the 8 hole and only need to start 1-RB, perhaps reaching for Elliot in the 1st might be a good idea.

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with injuries and suspension this is not such a unique scenario these days. while i get that we will all have different values for players, but your example forces me to mirror your draft. that may not be my strategy for the 7 spot. i will do a quick 8 round mock as i am typing to see how it might fall for me.... additionally, i might already be targeting mcfadden with or without zeke.

 

mccoy (freeman went 1.6, safe to assume one or the other at 7)

dez

mccaffrey

crabtree

graham

carr

mcfadden

thielen (or cobb, decker)

 

frankly i think this team consistently beats your draft.

 

 

edit: also based on how we can flex and scoring, i might have gone with another te. if can start 3 rb:

 

carr

mccoy

mccaffrey

dez

crabtree

graham

1 flex: mcfadden

2 flex: theilen/cobb/decker/walker

I agree, I prefer McCoy to Zeke too, as indicated in OP.

 

I'm really directing my comments to those selecting those looking at Freeman, Gordon, or possibly even Murray or Howard in mid to late Round 1

 

But, using your Preferred players, I will draft as follows.

 

Zeke

dez

mccaffrey

crabtree

graham

carr

mcfadden

thielen (or cobb, decker)

 

For weeks 1-6, you start Carr, McCoy, McCaffrey, Dez, Crabtree, Graham, McFadden

I start the same players, except I'm using Thielen instead of McCoy. Advantage you.

 

For Weeks 8-13, we have the same lineup except I have Elliot instead of McCoy. Advantage me.

 

Overall, I concede, ... You Win ! Although I think you see my point that I can still field a very competitive team after taking Zeke in the first.

 

Perhaps I should have used the 1.08 or 1.09 draft position instead as an example, because I think that once DJ, Bell, and McCoy are off the Board, that is the tipping point.

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I agree, I prefer McCoy to Zeke too, as indicated in OP.

 

I'm really directing my comments to those selecting those looking at Freeman, Gordon, or possibly even Murray or Howard in mid to late Round 1

 

But, using your Preferred players, I will draft as follows.

 

Zeke

dez

mccaffrey

crabtree

graham

carr

mcfadden

thielen (or cobb, decker)

 

For weeks 1-6, you start Carr, McCoy, McCaffrey, Dez, Crabtree, Graham, McFadden

I start the same players, except I'm using Thielen instead of McCoy. Advantage you.

 

For Weeks 8-13, we have the same lineup except I have Elliot instead of McCoy. Advantage me.

 

Overall, I concede, ... You Win ! Although I think you see my point that I can still field a very competitive team after taking Zeke in the first.

 

Perhaps I should have used the 1.08 or 1.09 draft position instead as an example, because I think that once DJ, Bell, and McCoy are off the Board, that is the tipping point.

 

for weeks 1-6 i think it is a strong advantage to my draft, one that might might cost yours some early Ls that you might not be able to come back from in the 2nd half of the season.

 

it is all about risk management. any player can suffer and injury during the year. taking zeke in the first instead of the 2nd or 3rd lowers your margin of error (be it injury or just a player underperforming), and then we do it again in the 7th with mcfadden who has an injury history. it hurts the core of the team (2 high risk picks in the first 7 rounds). i just think it places an owner in a tough spot where fliers need to pay off.

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well, those guys arent too bright. DMC has value to you and for the most part you only. so if someone takes him early, there will be someone else left available for you who you may want for the full season.

 

there are plenty of starting RB's that can be had late who will be at least adequate for the period Zeke is out

one example: Terrence West. He's ranked low, but his competition for the starting carries got hurt in preseason and is out for the year. So West is starting. I dont see a 32 year Woodhead who has played only 18 games over the last 3 seasons pushing him out.

 

he put up adequate numbers last year. I drafted him to be my #3 RB, but Doug martin got hurt and I had to roll with West. He did alright. and I would think DMC may do slightly better on a per game basis but West may be the better value all around and he could be your #3 for the rest of the year if needed.

 

I dont want either, I was making a point based on this strategy being that you must have Zeke and Mcfadden

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I agree, I prefer McCoy to Zeke too, as indicated in OP.

 

I'm really directing my comments to those selecting those looking at Freeman, Gordon, or possibly even Murray or Howard in mid to late Round 1

 

But, using your Preferred players, I will draft as follows.

 

Zeke

dez

mccaffrey

crabtree

graham

carr

mcfadden

thielen (or cobb, decker)

 

For weeks 1-6, you start Carr, McCoy, McCaffrey, Dez, Crabtree, Graham, McFadden

I start the same players, except I'm using Thielen instead of McCoy. Advantage you.

 

For Weeks 8-13, we have the same lineup except I have Elliot instead of McCoy. Advantage me.

 

Overall, I concede, ... You Win ! Although I think you see my point that I can still field a very competitive team after taking Zeke in the first.

 

Perhaps I should have used the 1.08 or 1.09 draft position instead as an example, because I think that once DJ, Bell, and McCoy are off the Board, that is the tipping point.

 

Mccoy for 13 vs Zeke for 6 is a no brainer, you might be 2-5 after his bye, while the Mccoy owner could be 5-2, and Mccoy will hold his own vs Zeke the rest of the way. What if Zeke comes back rusty?

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I dont want either, I was making a point based on this strategy being that you must have Zeke and Mcfadden

and I am saying you dont need McFadden to make this work.

 

Yes, he's the ideal fit because he will score during the games zeke is out and, in theory, he should be cheap. In theory cheaper than any of the other RB2/3's out there.

 

but if someone is a jerk and grabs DMC early to piss you off, you are not without options.

 

That's MY point.

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Ray.... I agree, but it is a trade off. I do think dmc will post good numbers for 6 weeks, while rbx Will likely score less but you get them all season. Or, you just go heavier on rb and count on 1 or 2 to hit.

 

Giving up a 1st round pick for 6 weeks hurts.

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Ray.... I agree, but it is a trade off. I do think dmc will post good numbers for 6 weeks, while rbx Will likely score less but you get them all season. Or, you just go heavier on rb and count on 1 or 2 to hit.

 

Giving up a 1st round pick for 6 weeks hurts.

I get it. and that's why I suggest not taking him in round 1 of a redraft.

 

if you get him in round 2, then you can afford the cost of the extra roster spot devoted to the RB position.

 

you may be able to find value for him in round 1 if the draft falls right for you, but the odds are against it.

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and I am saying you dont need McFadden to make this work.

 

Yes, he's the ideal fit because he will score during the games zeke is out and, in theory, he should be cheap. In theory cheaper than any of the other RB2/3's out there.

 

but if someone is a jerk and grabs DMC early to piss you off, you are not without options.

 

That's MY point.

 

right I agree, my whole point is a year of Mccoy and Powell, is better than a half of year of Elliot and Powell and someone else you have to make up the points for Elliot

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right I agree, my whole point is a year of Mccoy and Powell, is better than a half of year of Elliot and Powell and someone else you have to make up the points for Elliot

I'm not interested in a year of McCoy. I will pass on McCoy.

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