Is Benghazi Obama's Waterloo?

[drobeski 3,061]

Hmmm 4 or 4,000? Which is worse?

Romney has 4000 dead on his watch ?

[jerryskids 5,169]

I'm going to demand that the House Budget Committee remove this line item from the budget to free up cash to pay for Big Bird.

I would think that as an American living in China, you would be particularly sensitive to media integrity. Apparently not.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Any evidence that voters are holding Obummer accountable? A poll maybe, like the one I posted earlier?

 

 

Poll: Approval of Obama foreign policy drops

 

Approval of President Obama's handling of foreign policy has taken a beating since last month, according to a new NBC/WSJ poll taken after violence erupted last week in Egypt and Libya.

 

The poll found approval among registered voters dropped to 49 percent, down from from 54 percent a month earlier, NBC's FirstRead reports. The fall was steeper among independents, going from 53 percent in August to 41 percent. Even support among Republicans dropped eight points -- from 19 percent to 10 percent.

 

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/poll-approval-of-obama-foreign-policy-drops-135927.html

 

 

[Voltaire 4,554]

I would think that as an American living in China, you would be particularly sensitive to media integrity. Apparently not.

 

America has a free press that's specifically singled out in the constitution to be free from interference from the government. CNN doesn't get any money from the government, nor is there any appearence -let alone any evidence- that it does so. It's just yet another of the hundreds of retardo-conspiracies emminating weekly from the same source.

 

Big Bird on the other hand does get money from the government, but he's worth every penny.

 

Honestly, the relationship between the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese TV News more closely resembles the intimacy between the Republican Party and Fox than it does any other American political influence on the media.

[The Moz 69]

 

 

Honestly, the relationship between the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese TV News more closely resembles the Republican Party and Fox than it does any other American media outlet.

 

then explain Fox News being more watched than MSNBC and CNN combined?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz: "Wrong" information isn't "false" information".

 

 

Isn't that pretty much what Republicans said when it turned out that there were no WMD's in Iraq?

 

It is true of course. There is a difference betwen being a liar and being mistaken. It deals with whether you KNEW the information was untrue when you said it.

 

For example, you are a liar when you give your word on a bet and fail to uphold it. You are merely mistaken when you deny being a hack troll poosay.

 

See how that works?

[Voltaire 4,554]

then explain Fox News being more watched than MSNBC and CNN combined?

 

Fox news is more watched than MSNBC and CNN combined because that's the source more people turn into when they are looking for news.

 

Why do they tune in more? Because Fox provides something they like, proabably the conservative perspective.

 

Why do they like it? I don't know, I only have theories. For a more concrete answer go ask a Fox News viewer.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Fox news is more watched than MSNBC and CNN combined because that's the source more people turn into when they are looking for news.

 

Why do they tune in more? Because Fox provides something they like, proabably the conservative perspective.

 

Why do they like it? I don't know, I only have theories. For a more concrete answer go ask a Fox News viewer.

 

Inbreeding is my best guess.

 

ETA: I don't mean that in a partisan way. CNN and MSNBC suck a bag of d!cks too.

[Voltaire 4,554]

Inbreeding is my best guess.

 

ETA: I don't mean that in a partisan way. CNN and MSNBC suck a bag of d!cks too.

 

I don't think MSNBC existed when I move overseas but my understanding is that it's a liberal Fox News. As for CNN, granted my America experience is trapped in a year 2001 bubble, but they always seemed on the up and up back then.

[drobeski 3,061]

I don't think MSNBC existed when I move overseas but my understanding is that it's a liberal Fox News. As for CNN, granted my America experience is trapped in a year 2001 bubble, but they always seemed on the up and up back then.

Its 2012 ....things have changed. Bought and paid for, proven in this thread. Maybe your commie daddys didn't let you see.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Isn't that pretty much what Republicans said when it turned out that there were no WMD's in Iraq?

 

It is true of course. There is a difference betwen being a liar and being mistaken. It deals with whether you KNEW the information was untrue when you said it.

 

The selective memory of libtards like you on the subject of WMDs is both tired, and annoying.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

The selective memory of libtards like you on the subject of WMDs is both tired, and annoying.

 

That is the thread winner of all thread winners, all the tired stories the ignorant liberal focks like mdc have clinged too, all blown to sh!t.

Put that in your pipes and smoke it you hypocritical ignoramouses.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I've had to use that clip a few times over the years. The libs ignore it, and eventually go back to spouting off the same tripe about Bush lying us into war.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

So, it turns out we had a drone filming the entire Benghazi attack........yet Obama took 2 weeks to figure out it was a terrorist attack.

 

 

 

Looks like a lot of people have some questions to answer.

 

US ‘too slow’ to act as drone’s cam captured Libya horror

 

The United States had an unmanned Predator drone over its consulate in Benghazi during the attack that slaughtered four Americans — which should have led to a quicker military response, it was revealed yesterday.

 

“They stood, and they watched, and our people died,” former CIA commander Gary Berntsen told CBS News.

 

The network reported that the drone and other reconnaissance aircraft observed the final hours of the hours-long siege on Sept. 11 — obtaining information that should have spurred swift action.

 

But as Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three colleagues were killed by terrorists armed with AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, Defense Department officials were too slow to send in the troops, Berntsen said.

 

“They made zero adjustments in this. You find a way to make this happen,” he fumed.

 

“There isn’t a plan for every single engagement. Sometimes you have to be able to make adjustments.”

 

The Pentagon said it moved a team of special operators from Central Europe to Sigonella, Italy — about an hour flight from Libya — but gave no other details.

 

Fighter jets and Specter AC-130 gunships — which could have been used to help disperse the bloodthirsty mob — were also stationed at three nearby bases, sources told the network.

 

When the attack began, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta “looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies,” a White House official told the network.

 

Even as the administration continues to vow that the perpetrators will be brought to justice, the man identified by witnesses as a ringleader in the attack continues to walk the streets of Libya without fear of arrest.

 

Ahmad Abu Khattala has admitted being at the consulate during the horrific attack but has yet to be questioned by any Libyan authorities.

 

Abu Khattala spoke to a New York Times reporter Thursday from a hotel patio as he sipped a strawberry frappe and mocked the US and Libyan governments.

 

“These reports say that no one knows where I am and that I am hiding,” he boasted. “But here I am in the open, sitting in a hotel with you. I’m even going to pick up my sister’s kids from school soon.”

 

Lax security at the consulate was an open secret.

 

Stevens wrote a cable in June that there wasn’t enough security at the consulate, and he noted there had been a recent spike in attacks against “international organizations and foreign interests,” ABC News said.

 

The ambassador wrote another cable in August that read, “A series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape during the Ramadan holiday.”

 

Stevens said that the incidents were “organized” and that the Libyan security force had “not coalesced into a stabilizing force and [provided] little deterrence.”

 

Several requests for additional security in Benghazi were made to the State Department prior to the attack. They were all rejected.

 

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton tried to deflect blame from President Obama last week, saying the decision not to beef up guards was her responsibility.

 

“I’m in charge of the State Department’s 60,000-plus people all over the world [at] 275 posts,” she told CNN.

 

“The president and the vice president wouldn’t be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals. They’re the ones who weigh all of the threats and the risks and the needs and make a considered decision.”

 

The attack has become a major issue in the presidential campaign, with Mitt Romney saying Obama’s failure to safeguard the consulate highlights his failure in foreign policy.

 

Romney has also hammered Obama for failing to immediately label it a terror attack and the administration for changing its story about whether the attack was a protest over an anti-Islamic movie or a coordinated strike.

 

The tragedy — and alleged security lapses leading up to the attack — will likely be brought up at tomorrow’s final presidential debate.

 

The 90-minute debate will be moderated by Bob Schieffer of CBS News. Schieffer has listed five subject areas, with more time devoted to the Middle East and terrorism than any other topic.

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_watched_as_terror_raged_AypAEEA9OK23rPf7Z5BHWO

[Bruce Benedict 0]

The selective memory of libtards like you on the subject of WMDs is both tired, and annoying.

 

I have no idea what you think that montage shows, but it sure as hell isn't that Bush didn't lie and send us into an illegal war. Are you really this stupid, or is this just some kind of message board act? Because I can come over and help you tie your shoes if you're actually this simple.

[SUXBNME 1,319]

I have no idea what you think that montage shows, but it sure as hell isn't that Bush didn't lie and send us into an illegal war. Are you really this stupid, or is this just some kind of message board act? Because I can come over and help you tie your shoes if you're actually this simple.

Here's a link from some stupid anti-war pro hippy page that thinks Obama is much more of a war monger than Bush.

(Careful, there might be facts in there)

 

My link

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I have no idea what you think that montage shows

It shows a bunch of Dems "lying" about Iraq having WMDs. I thought that was obvious.

[Phurfur 70]

America has a free press that's specifically singled out in the constitution to be free from interference from the government. CNN doesn't get any money from the government, nor is there any appearence -let alone any evidence- that it does so. It's just yet another of the hundreds of retardo-conspiracies emminating weekly from the same source.

 

Big Bird on the other hand does get money from the government, but he's worth every penny.

 

Honestly, the relationship between the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese TV News more closely resembles the intimacy between the Republican Party and Fox than it does any other American political influence on the media.

 

1. There are very few journalists left. The media pushes its agenda and hides behind freedom of the press. It is shameful.

 

2. Big Bird is worth $350 million and we are subsidizing him. He is the 1%.

 

3. Honestly, the relationship between the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese TV News more closely resembles the intimacy between the Democratic Party and the main stream media than it does any other American political influence on the media.

 

MK-Ultra

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Looks like Obama's attempt to lie his way past the election isn't working. He knew within hours it was a terrorist attack, yet blamed a youtube video for 2 weeks.

 

Blatant lies to America about a terrorist attack.

 

White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

 

(Reuters) - Officials at the White House and State Department were advised two hours after attackers assaulted the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11 that an Islamic militant group had claimed credit for the attack, official emails show.

 

The emails, obtained by Reuters from government sources not connected with U.S. spy agencies or the State Department and who requested anonymity, specifically mention that the Libyan group called Ansar al-Sharia had asserted responsibility for the attacks.

 

The brief emails also show how U.S. diplomats described the attack, even as it was still under way, to Washington.

 

U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the Benghazi assault, which President Barack Obama and other U.S. officials ultimately acknowledged was a "terrorist" attack carried out by militants with suspected links to al Qaeda affiliates or sympathizers.

 

Administration spokesmen, including White House spokesman Jay Carney, citing an unclassified assessment prepared by the CIA, maintained for days that the attacks likely were a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim film.

 

While officials did mention the possible involvement of "extremists," they did not lay blame on any specific militant groups or possible links to al Qaeda or its affiliates until intelligence officials publicly alleged that on September 28.

 

There were indications that extremists with possible al Qaeda connections were involved, but also evidence that the attacks could have erupted spontaneously, they said, adding that government experts wanted to be cautious about pointing fingers prematurely.

 

U.S. intelligence officials have emphasized since shortly after the attack that early intelligence reporting about the attack was mixed.

 

Spokesmen for the White House and State Department had no immediate response to requests for comments on the emails.

 

MISSIVES FROM LIBYA

 

The records obtained by Reuters consist of three emails dispatched by the State Department's Operations Center to multiple government offices, including addresses at the White House, Pentagon, intelligence community and FBI, on the afternoon of September 11.

 

The first email, timed at 4:05 p.m. Washington time - or 10:05 p.m. Benghazi time, 20-30 minutes after the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission allegedly began - carried the subject line "U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack" and the notation "SBU", meaning "Sensitive But Unclassified."

 

The text said the State Department's regional security office had reported that the diplomatic mission in Benghazi was "under attack. Embassy in Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well."

 

The message continued: "Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four ... personnel are in the compound safe haven. The 17th of February militia is providing security support."

 

A second email, headed "Update 1: U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi" and timed 4:54 p.m. Washington time, said that the Embassy in Tripoli had reported that "the firing at the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi had stopped and the compound had been cleared." It said a "response team" was at the site attempting to locate missing personnel.

A third email, also marked SBU and sent at 6:07 p.m. Washington time, carried the subject line: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

 

The message reported: "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

 

While some information identifying recipients of this message was redacted from copies of the messages obtained by Reuters, a government source said that one of the addresses to which the message was sent was the White House Situation Room, the president's secure command post.

 

Other addressees included intelligence and military units as well as one used by the FBI command center, the source said.

 

It was not known what other messages were received by agencies in Washington from Libya that day about who might have been behind the attacks.

 

Intelligence experts caution that initial reports from the scene of any attack or disaster are often inaccurate.

 

By the morning of September 12, the day after the Benghazi attack, Reuters reported that there were indications that members of both Ansar al-Sharia, a militia based in the Benghazi area, and al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the North African affiliate of al Qaeda's faltering central command, may have been involved in organizing the attacks.

 

One U.S. intelligence official said that during the first classified briefing about Benghazi given to members of Congress, officials "carefully laid out the full range of sparsely available information, relying on the best analysis available at the time."

 

The official added, however, that the initial analysis of the attack that was presented to legislators was mixed.

 

"Briefers said extremists were involved in attacks that appeared spontaneous, there may have been a variety of motivating factors, and possible links to groups such as (al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and Ansar al-Sharia) were being looked at closely," the official said.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024

[MDC 5,876]

Looks like Obama's attempt to lie his way past the election isn't working. He knew within hours it was a terrorist attack, yet blamed a youtube video for 2 weeks.

 

Blatant lies to America about a terrorist attack.

 

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024

 

Nobody gives a sh1t what he called the attack.

[surferskin 30]

Nobody gives a sh1t what he called the attack.

 

Again, then why did he blame it on a video when he knew it wasn't true? The folks in the white house sure seemed to care what the attack was called.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Again, then why did he blame it on a video when he knew it wasn't true? The folks in the white house sure seemed to care what the attack was called.

MDC has a long history of ignoring all the lies Obama gets caught in, and continues to defend and support him despite the fact Obama is a lying sack.

[MDC 5,876]

Again, then why did he blame it on a video when he knew it wasn't true? The folks in the white house sure seemed to care what the attack was called.

 

I'm assuming that whatever the White House said about the attack was PR designed to keep our people overseas safe, not necessarily what they actually believe.

 

Why do you think they blamed it on the video?

[IGotWorms 3,297]

MDC has a long history of ignoring all the lies Obama gets caught in, and continues to defend and support him despite the fact Obama is a lying sack.

 

@ a Romney supporter calling anyone a liar.

[Phurfur 70]

@ a Romney supporter calling anyone a liar.

 

@ anyone ignoring the truth. State Department emails from day of Libya attack show Al Qaeda-tied group on radar

[surferskin 30]

I'm assuming that whatever the White House said about the attack was PR designed to keep our people overseas safe, not necessarily what they actually believe.

 

Why do you think they blamed it on the video?

 

I think it's possibly two things. One, they didn't want to admit it was an Al Quaeda attack, during the heat of the campaign, when one of the key accomplishments is eliminating Bin Laden/Al Quaeda. two, they wanted this attack to be perceived as spontaneous and not an imminent threat that they denied security resources for and ultimately resulted in the death of a US ambassador and 3 others. My guess it's a bit of both.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I think it's possibly two things. One, they didn't want to admit it was an Al Quaeda attack, during the heat of the campaign, when one of the key accomplishments is eliminating Bin Laden/Al Quaeda. two, they wanted this attack to be perceived as spontaneous and not an imminent threat that they denied security resources for and ultimately resulted in the death of a US ambassador and 3 others. My guess it's a bit of both.

This is he correct answer. But it will make no difference to MDC why Obama lied, he will spin it the best he can and make up any excuse he can come up with.

[Phurfur 70]

I'm assuming that whatever the White House said about the attack was PR designed to keep our people overseas safe, not necessarily what they actually believe.

 

Why do you think they blamed it on the video?

 

 

You have a short memory, the comment about the youtube film incited riots all over the middle east putting Americans in danger.

 

Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.

- John Lennon

[MDC 5,876]

I think it's possibly two things. One, they didn't want to admit it was an Al Quaeda attack, during the heat of the campaign, when one of the key accomplishments is eliminating Bin Laden/Al Quaeda. two, they wanted this attack to be perceived as spontaneous and not an imminent threat that they denied security resources for and ultimately resulted in the death of a US ambassador and 3 others. My guess it's a bit of both.

 

Well I've got to admit that's a possibility I guess. I hadn't really considered it completely because nobody seems to coming right out and making that accusation, just dancing around it. At worst they're guilty of some politicking. Thanks for the honest answer though.

[MDC 5,876]

You have a short memory, the comment about the youtube film incited riots all over the middle east putting Americans in danger.

 

Now the riots are Obummer's fault too.

 

Are you ever going to grow up and act like an adult instead of a scared, sobbing little girl? You are the 70-year-old toddler!

[Little Rusty 17]

Emails show White House knew of 9/11 Benghazi terror attack within 2 hours

 

Multiple MSM outlets are reporting tonight that they recovered emails from anonymous government sources showing that both the State Department and White House knew within two hours of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that an Islamist militant group had claimed responsibility. Via Reuters:

 

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/23/emails-show-white-house-knew-of-911-benghazi-terror-attack-within-2-hours/

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Emails show White House knew of 9/11 Benghazi terror attack within 2 hours

 

Multiple MSM outlets are reporting tonight that they recovered emails from anonymous government sources showing that both the State Department and White House knew within two hours of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that an Islamist militant group had claimed responsibility. Via Reuters:

 

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/23/emails-show-white-house-knew-of-911-benghazi-terror-attack-within-2-hours/

Wow!

 

I shoulda updated this thread with that info.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

At worst they're guilty of some politicking.

Did I call the spin, or did I call the spin.

[Phurfur 70]

Now the riots are Obummer's fault too.

 

Are you ever going to grow up and act like an adult instead of a scared, sobbing little girl? You are the 70-year-old toddler!

 

 

Full Tilt!

 

How does it feel to get bullied by a scared, sobbing little girl?

[Little Rusty 17]

This story / HISTORY is far bigger than Watergate.....kick this piece of poo Administration out before it's too late!!!!

[MDC 5,876]

Full Tilt!

 

How does it feel to get bullied by a scared, sobbing little girl?

 

An old geezer like you doesn't bully anyone. You're lucky if you leave the house without getting a broken hip when punks steal your wallet.

[drobeski 3,061]

As a conservative leaning democrat, I feel Obama betrayed the Ambassador, misled the american people and politicized this tragic event.

His behavior is very unbecoming of a president of the united states and am now questioning if i can support him.

[The Moz 69]

This story / HISTORY is far bigger than Watergate.....kick this piece of poo Administration out before it's too late!!!!

 

Watergate was stupid -- Nixon didn't even okay it and didn't need it as he had it won. His fock up was the cover up.

 

Obama KNEW the day of the attack -- we now have the transcript stating this -- the man deceived the country for over 2 weeks and has lied blatantly.

 

If we only had a stronger GOP nominee I would say this would be a GOP slam dunk but while Romney is better than Dole and W. Obama is a lot smoother than Gore.

[MDC 5,876]

As a conservative leaning democrat, I feel Obama betrayed the Ambassador, misled the american people and politicized this tragic event.

His behavior is very unbecoming of a president of the united states and am now questioning if i can support him.

 

You sound a lot smarter when you imitate me.

[The Moz 69]

As a conservative leaning democrat

 

your at least as right wing as I am ... granted i am not RP or Little R Right but I am GOP. I can never see you leaning Dem