Al Gore 2008 - 75% chance the entire north pole will be ice free in 5-7 years.

[Cdub100 3,366]

10 years later people still buy into this junk science. DEATH DESTRUCTION FEAR!!!!!

[posty 2,296]

Snow Miser will keep the North Pole cold...

[supermike80 1,285]

Someone still has to tell me why this is bad. I've yet to see it.

 

No ice. Ok. The coastlines shrink...over time. We will adapt...its what we do.

 

I imagine Greenland would be a gigantic resource for land and agriculture if the world warmed.

 

And canada... Siberia....just cause its change does that automatically mean bad?

 

Humans adapt. We've done it throughout history

[NorthernVike 2,079]

Loving me some global warming. 32 degrees in middle of December is focking nice.

[sderk 1,040]

It's Globalism that is happening, fear is needed.

[tanatastic 2,061]

In another 10 years we will all be underwater unless you donate now. Just a few trillion in his pocket should do the trick.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Someone still has to tell me why this is bad. I've yet to see it.

 

No ice. Ok. The coastlines shrink...over time. We will adapt...its what we do.

 

I imagine Greenland would be a gigantic resource for land and agriculture if the world warmed.

 

And canada... Siberia....just cause its change does that automatically mean bad?

 

Humans adapt. We've done it throughout history

 

Species can adapt if the change happens slow enough for them to evolve. If the change happens too quickly, then you have entire ecosystems that could radically change and it could cause them to die off. Many of these ecosystems can be fragile (example: coral reefs). Change itself isn't necessarily the bad thing. If the pace of change is faster than the plants and animals can adapt, then bad things occur. I think you are focused on the hydrogeology side of things.

[supermike80 1,285]

 

Species can adapt if the change happens slow enough for them to evolve. If the change happens too quickly, then you have entire ecosystems that could radically change and it could cause them to die off. Many of these ecosystems can be fragile (example: coral reefs). Change itself isn't necessarily the bad thing. If the pace of change is faster than the plants and animals can adapt, then bad things occur. I think you are focused on the hydrogeology side of things.

I agree but do we know how fast we can adapt? How fast the change is coming? The OP pointed out that in 2008 it was predicted the poles would be ice free. Didnt happen. So what's the new measuring stick.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I agree but do we know how fast we can adapt? How fast the change is coming? The OP pointed out that in 2008 it was predicted the poles would be ice free. Didnt happen. So what's the new measuring stick.

I have no idea how fast we can adapt, but I generally go with scientists before politicians. My problem with it is that we can't really afford to be wrong if we think that we can adapt without any adjustments. I figure we have to at least hedge our bets a little. Not by going all Al Gore, but also not going back to acting like China.

[Gladiators 1,903]

I agree but do we know how fast we can adapt? How fast the change is coming? The OP pointed out that in 2008 it was predicted the poles would be ice free. Didnt happen. So what's the new measuring stick.

 

Survival of the fittest. Adapt or die off...New species will rise.

[MDC 5,877]

Looks like we hit that 25%. Whew!

[TimmySmith 2,782]

He should re-up for another 5-7. This time 80%.

[supermike80 1,285]

I have no idea how fast we can adapt, but I generally go with scientists before politicians. My problem with it is that we can't really afford to be wrong if we think that we can adapt without any adjustments. I figure we have to at least hedge our bets a little. Not by going all Al Gore, but also not going back to acting like China.

Oh come on. I am not going to think that al gore made this up all by his lonesome. He was pulling some scientific theory from somewhere. That's just silly talk.

 

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why climate change is bad. Why is it bad? Its change. Change is hard...it will require new thinking, new ways of living. But there can be good with it too right? Why is it always always bad?

 

Not to mention many scientists believe we have already gone past the point of correction. Do we ignore them and just hope we can stem the tide? Why are those scientists wrong bit the ones who say we can still fix it are right? Do we adapt now rather than trying to change that which cannot be changed?

[tanatastic 2,061]

I agree but do we know how fast we can adapt? How fast the change is coming? The OP pointed out that in 2008 it was predicted the poles would be ice free. Didnt happen. So what's the new measuring stick.

In 100 years the earth temperature could rise a quarter of a millidegree. Oceans could rise a centimeter. Or none of that could happen. That’s the beauty of it, there’s no telling, it’s too far away for anyone to care and just scary enough to get people to donate.

[supermike80 1,285]

In 100 years the earth temperature could rise a quarter of a millidegree. Oceans could rise a centimeter. Or none of that could happen. Thats the beauty of it, theres no telling, its too far away for anyone to care and just scary enough to get people to donate.

The money argument is weak to me.

[tanatastic 2,061]

The money argument is weak to me.

No way, the money is the entire point of it. Its the only reason you even hear about it. Climate change is natural, the debate is that we are accelerating it and the greenhouse gases sort of filter the suns rays making them hotter, melting the ice caps faster, causing theoretical catastrophe. Some day, there will be global cooling and the con will be that our donations reversed it and we need to keep donating to ensure it stays that way. There will always be profit to be made from things out of our control. Im shocked theres not some kind of scam that says god creates lightning to attack us if we dont donate or something.

[supermike80 1,285]

No way, the money is the entire point of it. Its the only reason you even hear about it. Climate change is natural, the debate is that we are accelerating it and the greenhouse gases sort of filter the suns rays making them hotter, melting the ice caps faster, causing theoretical catastrophe. Some day, there will be global cooling and the con will be that our donations reversed it and we need to keep donating to ensure it stays that way. There will always be profit to be made from things out of our control. Im shocked theres not some kind of scam that says god creates lightning to attack us if we dont donate or something.

I know the argument but I disagree. Somewhat. Of course someone will try to profit from this. And fear is a fantastic profit generator. But I do believe many sincerely believe this is a horrible future and all they want is a change in how we act. How is buying an electric car(spare me the electric car is worse argument..I'm aware) over an SUV a money grab?

[tanatastic 2,061]

I know the argument but I disagree. Somewhat. Of course someone will try to profit from this. And fear is a fantastic profit generator. But I do believe many sincerely believe this is a horrible future and all they want is a change in how we act. How is buying an electric car(spare me the electric car is worse argument..I'm aware) over an SUV a money grab?

There is plenty of non global warming merit to changing our polluting ways. I just think there is no stopping it and the population will only grow, making the price of progress ever steeper. It’s an inevitable fact of advancing society. Eventually things get used up and depleted. Won’t happen in our lifetime though so it’s irrelevant.

[sderk 1,040]

There is plenty of non global warming merit to changing our polluting ways. I just think there is no stopping it and the population will only grow, making the price of progress ever steeper. It’s an inevitable fact of advancing society. Eventually things get used up and depleted. Won’t happen in our lifetime though so it’s irrelevant.

How about this country figure out a way to keep dirt poor adults and 16 year olds from having more babies and increasing population to out of this world proportions before they start trying to act like God's and control the earth's climate? Maybe that would be a good thing to try to start in their attempts to help stymie the growth of pollution, etc. Now that is within people's control.

[supermike80 1,285]

How about this country figure out a way to keep dirt poor adults and 16 year olds from having more babies and increasing population to out of this world proportions before they start trying to act like God's and control the earth's climate? Maybe that would be a good thing to try to start in their attempts to help stymie the growth of pollution, etc. Now that is within people's control.

So dont act like gods and try to control the climate but act like gods and control peoples lives?

[sderk 1,040]

So dont act like gods and try to control the climate but act like gods and control peoples lives?

Climate control by humans is not real. And I don't know how to get people who can't take care of their children to not have babies, but it's probably easier to impact in the long run. Why not start there?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,588]

10k for Norplant if you're under 25

[supermike80 1,285]

Climate control by humans is not real. And I don't know how to get people who can't take care of their children to not have babies, but it's probably easier to impact in the long run. Why not start there?

I cant see that being the easier choice.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Climate control by humans is not real. And I don't know how to get people who can't take care of their children to not have babies, but it's probably easier to impact in the long run. Why not start there?

Nothing can stop poor people from having many babies. Its the number one thing they love doing. Ive said for years I wish people were sterilized at birth and then you can apply for a license to procreate later in life.

[sderk 1,040]

There you go, Already 2 ideas that could help a lot for population control. None for climate control.

[sderk 1,040]

I cant see that being the easier choice.

I'm talking about the influencing of population control. For climate control, the earth changes as the earth changes. No solution needed other than to adapt. Pollution? Sure. Different topic though.

[Drizzay 644]

Nothing can stop poor people from having many babies. Its the number one thing they love doing. Ive said for years I wish people were sterilized at birth and then you can apply for a license to procreate later in life.

 

walled out of the city

Clubbed down from uptown

Sprayed pest from the nest

Run out to barrio town

Forced to watch at the feast

Then sweep up the night

Flipped pieces of coin

Exchanged for birthright

[Baker Boy 1,477]

Species can adapt if the change happens slow enough for them to evolve. If the change happens too quickly, then you have entire ecosystems that could radically change and it could cause them to die off. Many of these ecosystems can be fragile (example: coral reefs). Change itself isn't necessarily the bad thing. If the pace of change is faster than the plants and animals can adapt, then bad things occur. I think you are focused on the hydrogeology side of things.

 

You are wrong! We end out with a stronger more resilient planet earth. The strong survive!

 

If MMGW is the problem the only solution is population control. Why dont we talk about this? Why should we all lower our standard of living?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,493]

I have no idea how fast we can adapt, but I generally go with scientists before politicians. My problem with it is that we can't really afford to be wrong if we think that we can adapt without any adjustments. I figure we have to at least hedge our bets a little. Not by going all Al Gore, but also not going back to acting like China.

 

If you don't give me 100K right now you might get indicted tomorrow for child pron. You can't really afford to be wrong, can you? You better act right now.

 

PM me and I'll give you my paypal id for quick payment. Thanks!

 

Remember: You can't afford to be wrong on this.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

If you don't give me 100K right now you might get indicted tomorrow for child pron. You can't really afford to be wrong, can you? You better act right now.

 

PM me and I'll give you my paypal id for quick payment. Thanks!

 

Remember: You can't afford to be wrong on this.

Yup. Same thing.

 

Dont bother responding to me with your stupidity. Just put me on ignore. TIA

[Baker Boy 1,477]

Species can adapt if the change happens slow enough for them to evolve. If the change happens too quickly, then you have entire ecosystems that could radically change and it could cause them to die off. Many of these ecosystems can be fragile (example: coral reefs). Change itself isn't necessarily the bad thing. If the pace of change is faster than the plants and animals can adapt, then bad things occur. I think you are focused on the hydrogeology side of things.

 

The earth is billions of years old and it is flourishing. How old are you? The sky is not falling.

 

If this were a real problem we would be putting our money into technology not some stupid carbon tax that does nothing more than reduce our standard of living. REALLY a carbon tax how archaic and backward is that? We should be talking about Cold Fusion!

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,493]

Yup. Same thing.

 

Dont bother responding to me with your stupidity. Just put me on ignore. TIA

 

Not used to getting your own logic thrown back in your face? Sorry if I upset you.

[Baker Boy 1,477]

Fool me once.......

[Dammit Im Mad 1]

Always one of my faves!!

[Cdub100 3,366]

OMG the earth is warming and will be too hot for us!!! Oh wait that's not true?

 

OMG the sea levels will rise and kill gabizions!!!! Oh wait that's not true?

 

OMG the CO2 will get so high we can breath!!! Oh wait that's not true?

 

OMG the ocean is running out of oxygen!!!! Oh wait that's not true?

 

OMG the animals can't mutate fast enough!!! Send us billions to study this you can't afford to be wrong!!!! <----- We are here

[drobeski 3,061]

The Jim Jones of the cult ..just needs to do the world a service and hand out those laced koolaid drinks to his insane followers.

[Cdub100 3,366]

The Jim Jones of the cult ..just needs to do the world a service and hand out those laced koolaid drinks to his insane followers.

 

Have you heard the good word brother? You too can go to heaven save earth. What do you have to lose?

[nobody 2,031]

The Earth's temperature is the output of a giant multi-variable control system. The main, most dominant variable is the sun, but let's ignore that for now and pretend like it's all about what humans do.

 

When we start monkeying with the CO2 levels (one of the variables that controls temp), what's going to happen is your going to get a change in temperature. Now usually when you change a process, what happens is you get a perturbation in the output in the form of overshoot and undershoot, so what will happen in a stable system is that you'll get a period where we have higher high temperatures and lower low temperatures before things stablize. One problem you have to worry about in a feedback control system like we have with our climate is instability. This would be if we pumped so much CO2 in the atmosphere that the process builds on it self and the temp spirals out of control. We're not close to that happening (I don't think at least)

 

The dangers of higher temperatures though would be more catastrophic weather phenomenon like hurricanes and typhoons and earthquakes and stuff like that. Temperature is a key control variable for that.

[nobody 2,031]

Point of all that is it's probably bad if the temperature rises, but until we really understand the mechanics of why the temperature changes, and I mean really, really understand it, we're not necessarily doing the right things.

 

For instance the sun is a giant uncontrolled nuclear reaction. If the temperature fluctuates by a hundred degrees (which it probably does), that will have a big impact on the temperature on earth, but we love to act like the sun is a complete constant that never changes at all.