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#1 edjr

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:24 PM

:lol:


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#2 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:27 PM

Nice. New coach, new GM (I've hated both before this year) and the first pick! That's how you build.

#3 Baker Boy

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:29 PM

They have had one win since their party in Florida before the Packer payoff game last year.
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#4 drobeski

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:30 PM

Nice. New coach, new GM (I've hated both before this year) and the first pick! That's how you build.

what's this build you speak of ?

#5 edjr

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:32 PM

They have had one win since their party in Florida before the Packer payoff game last year.

 

Great coaching


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#6 listen2me 23

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:33 PM

I mean good for the Gmen to really be as bad as possible right now.  If they are in position to take a QB they like, they should pull the trigger.  

 

Better spot than the Bills grinding for 8 wins yet again and picking in the middle of round 1.  Although 8-8 will make the playoffs in the JV Conf.   



#7 edjr

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:36 PM

 

 

Better spot than the Bills grinding for 8 wins yet again and picking in the middle of round 1.  

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

having a top pick doesn't necessarily mean much for some franchises


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#8 listen2me 23

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:36 PM

Apparently this line opened at Chiefs -13.  Yikes.  



#9 Cruzer

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:40 PM

No Zeke for 5 weeks, no S. Lee for at least 4 weeks, no Tyron Smith for Gawd knows, no Dan Bailey...

 

I just assume Dallas lose the rest of the way out..... No need trying to scratch out 8 wins, can only hurt.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:40 PM

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

having a top pick doesn't necessarily mean much for some franchises

 

You are right.  But just think about it, the Bills haven't made the playoffs since 1999.  Some of the 1st round QBs they have taken are EJ Manuel and JP Losman.  Both were mid 1st reaches.  17 years no playoffs yet they hardly pick in the top 5.  This year they trade back and get the Chiefs 1st next year looking like they want ammo to move up.  And watch the Chiefs end up with the 30th and the Bills grind to the 21st.  Unable to move up with that.  Trotting Tyrod out there again for 8 wins.  

 

At some point you have to draft a top prospect.  Rams and Philly are glad they did.  Of course you can miss.  But who cares when the alternative is Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, EJ Manual, Trent Edwards.  



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:44 PM

 
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
having a top pick doesn't necessarily mean much for some franchises

TheGiants have a good history with really high draft picks.

#12 edjr

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:00 PM

 

You are right.  But just think about it, the Bills haven't made the playoffs since 1999.  Some of the 1st round QBs they have taken are EJ Manuel and JP Losman.  Both were mid 1st reaches.  

 

That's the Mantra of most NFL teams.

 

Reach on a QB that will likely blow and set your team back a few years

 

 

Quarterbacks taken in the first round
 
2007
1: JaMarcus Russell, Raiders 
22: Brady Quinn, Browns 
 
2008
3: Matt Ryan, Falcons 
18: Joe Flacco, Ravens 
 
2009
1: Matthew Stafford, Lions 
5: Mark Sanchez, Jets 
17: Josh Freeman, Buccaneers 
 
2010
1: Sam Bradford, Rams 
25: Tim Tebow, Broncos 
 
2011
1: Cam Newton, Panthers 
8: Jake Locker, Titans 
10: Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars 
12: Christian Ponder, Vikings 
 
2012
1: Andrew Luck, Colts 
2: Robert Griffin III, Redskins 
8: Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins 
22: Brandon Weeden, Browns 
 
2013
16: EJ Manuel, Bills 
 
2014
3: Blake Bortles, Jaguars 
22: Johnny Manziel, Browns 
32: Teddy Bridgewater, Vikings 
 
2015
1: Jameis Winston, Buccaneers 
2: Marcus Mariota, Titans 
 
2016
1: Jared Goff, Rams 
2: Carson Wentz, Eagles 
26: Paxton Lynch, Broncos

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#13 edjr

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:03 PM

TheGiants have a good history with really high draft picks.

 

I apologize for ignoring you.

 

you new yorkers sure do love your history.

 

what does the 2004 draft have to do with the 2018 draft? Same owner?  

 

I don't get how past draft history has anything to do with today


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#14 TimmySmith

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:06 PM

That's the Mantra of most NFL teams.

 

Reach on a QB that will likely blow and set your team back a few years

The truly interesting thing about that list is how good many of them played either right out of the box, or by their 2nd year.

 

Then they just faded away. A vast majority didn't look like busts. Yet they are.


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#15 edjr

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:09 PM

The truly interesting thing about that list is how good many of them played either right out of the box, or by their 2nd year.

 

Then they just faded away. A vast majority didn't look like busts. Yet they are.

 

 

Again, damned if you do, damned if you don't

 

As an NFL head coach you have what? 2 years, 3 if you're lucky, sometimes even 1.  if the team doesn't play well.

 

they are FORCED to play QBs before they are ready. no NFL owner will sit by and watch "the star" QB sitting while the team blows.

 

The whole NFL is so focked up.


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#16 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:17 PM

 
I apologize for ignoring you.
 
you new yorkers sure do love your history.
 
what does the 2004 draft have to do with the 2018 draft? Same owner?  
 
I don't get how past draft history has anything to do with today


Well, you made a historical reference when you said a top pick doesn't mean much to some franchises. You were using history as a reference. I was pointing out the giants historical record in these instances.

#17 kilroy69

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:22 PM

This is not surprising. The Giants D is actively tanking the season. I am not even a giants fan and I want to punch Janoris Jenkins in his ###### face. 


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#18 edjr

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:25 PM

Well, you made a historical reference when you said a top pick doesn't mean much to some franchises. You were using history as a reference. I was pointing out the giants historical record in these instances.

 

:thumbsup:

 

Got me there

 

Deshaun Watson (just last year)

 

amazing he was drafted after Trubisky and Mahomes


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