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The Trump crew believes that the Bible justifies ripping families apart.

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I think we can all agree we don't really want the image for our country to be splitting up children at the border. At the same time we also need to find a deterrent 2 bringing kids to the Border because they know it will get them in for the most part.

 

The problem I have is this being an outrage now. Trump didn't just build these cages. And Trump didn't create this law or policy. So essentially the left is complaining about him enforcing current laws which they've shown if they get special feelings then they are okay if you just ignore certain laws they find unjust.

 

Just stop acting like you care about the kids. Because you don't.

His administration did create this policy.

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So because they don't have the money or it takes too long that's justification for just breaking the law? What other laws shouldn't we follow?

 

As an American if my kids are starving to death and I go rob a grocery store I'm still going to prison. Explain to me why this isn't the same for someone that's illegal? If I rob that store I'm probably getting separated from my kids. Explain to me why this isn't the same for illegals.

 

You liberals need to stop acting because you're okay with breaking laws that you somehow care more. It's a crock of crap.

 

Crossing the border into America and you robbing a store is a terrible analogy. A better one would be if you and your kids were starving in the streets and robbed a market or fruit stand but otherwise had a clean record and were a solid dude in a bad spot.

 

I'd bet my house, 401k, and everything I got that 99% of the judges in this country would not separate you from your kids in that scenario. In fact I bet you and the judge and the cops would make tomorrow's headlines with a story about how they got you cleaned up, off the streets, and got you a job.

 

Your reaching to prove a point. Everything is about proving a point with your Trump trolls.

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So because you won the lottery and were born in the USA you get to have kids and people born in third world countries don't? Hmmmm, that's an interesting perspective.

 

In addition to time (what about 6 or 7 to get a years to get a green card now? that's just stoopid) the other roadblock to legal immigration is cost. About $1500 to get a green card. Most of these people don't have that. How about we cut the fat in our own bloated government, cut the fee in half and time to get the card down to under a year, and make it reasonable to do it legally?

 

Bottom line, when they get here they work their azz off. Anyone who says they don't and agrees with Trump that they are trash are just lying to themselves to cover their blatant racism. They do jobs none of us are willing to do, they show up every day on time, work harder than most others, and they do it for sub par pay.

 

Leave them the fock alone.

I didn't have kids when I was 21 because I couldn't afford them. Had nothing to do with being born here, but a lot to do with common sense. These people should apply some to their own life and put a rubber on. Or jerk off. Either way, don't have kids if you can't care for them, no matter where you're born.

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You know how many people are starving in the streets of leftist run countries south of our border? Millions. So if they all start walking north we just let em in?

 

Don't be a focking moron.

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Guessing Kate steinle and those effected by MS13 disagree. They are not all here on good terms.

 

Illegal immigration is bad. Sorry.

 

Link me to one time you were outraged by this under Obama.

 

Lol yeah lets pick the headlines to make a point. The same sh!t you whine about that others do.

 

Just like any other race of people, 90% of them are good people, 10% are psychopaths. Same with whites/blacks/Asians/etc.

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You know how many people are starving in the streets of leftist run countries south of our border? Millions. So if they all start walking north we just let em in?

 

Don't be a focking moron.

 

Yes we let them in. Why wouldn't we?

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Crossing the border into America and you robbing a store is a terrible analogy. A better one would be if you and your kids were starving in the streets and robbed a market or fruit stand but otherwise had a clean record and were a solid dude in a bad spot.

 

I'd bet my house, 401k, and everything I got that 99% of the judges in this country would not separate you from your kids in that scenario. In fact I bet you and the judge and the cops would make tomorrow's headlines with a story about how they got you cleaned up, off the streets, and got you a job.

 

Your reaching to prove a point. Everything is about proving a point with your Trump trolls.

You missed the point entirely.

I know you want to paint all of these lawbreaking scheming sometimes gang members as all hard-working good people but that's just Rose Colored Glasses. Talk about reaching holy crap.

 

The point was most people would say food for you and your children is just humane to have. But even if I break the law to do that I'm still going to go to jail.

 

Again. Tell me why coming here illegally is not breaking the law?

Tell me why using the excuse it takes too long or too expensive is a justification for breaking a law? I'm all ears.

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The democrat way:
1.) open the borders

2.) bring everyone from Somalia over to the U.S.

3.) bring anyone down on their luck to the U.S.

4.) Make the U.S Taxpayers foot the bill for all them.

5.) Steal from the upper and middle class and give to the unfortunate.

6.) We all all should be putting all of our money in one big pot and splitting it equally. Well, not the politicians. They keep 100% of what they make. But the rest of the U.S citizens. We should all be equal.

 

Nah. That's why I voted for Trump. I believe in keeping more of what I earn and not support these drains on society.

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You do have to break eggs to make omelettes. I just don’t know what will be accepted by the people.

 

 

And sometimes ya gotta crack skulls to get a point across. Life isn't all group hugs, unicorns and man-on-man gooey fudgy butt sex.

 

The people spoke. DId you see the election results? Getting in the fetal position and crying won't change that. HTH. Wait. Maybe jump up and down, stomp your feet and then spill your cereal on the floor will change the election results. Try that.

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The democrat way:

1.) open the borders

2.) bring everyone from Somalia over to the U.S.

3.) bring anyone down on their luck to the U.S.

4.) Make the U.S Taxpayers foot the bill for all them.

5.) Steal from the upper and middle class and give to the unfortunate.

6.) We all all should be putting all of our money in one big pot and splitting it equally. Well, not the politicians. They keep 100% of what they make. But the rest of the U.S citizens. We should all be equal.

 

Nah. That's why I voted for Trump. I believe in keeping more of what I earn and not support these drains on society.

Once again false.

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Yes we let them in. Why wouldn't we?

How many are you letting stay at your house?
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Man.....politics really is the bloods versus the crips. People will "ride" for their "side" no matter what. Sheesh. Obama had the law first!@#! Oh so you want completely open borders!@#! What about the American Family?!@#! You made the law!@#! No YOU made the law!@#!

 

Can't we just say.......Decent humanity is to keep the family together until its properly fixed, whether that be deportation, charged with an offense if repeat offender, etc. That using children to score political points in a debate is not moral.

 

Thinking for one's self independently of party seems to be lost. It's like we wear a blue or red bandana. :thumbsdown:

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How many are you letting stay at your house?

This straw man again?

Should we turn it around to a Republican position? How many kids are you inviting into your Home if the pro life side gets their way?

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Man.....politics really is the bloods versus the crips. People will "ride" for their "side" no matter what. Sheesh. Obama had the law first!@#! Oh so you want completely open borders!@#! What about the American Family?!@#! You made the law!@#! No YOU made the law!@#!

 

Can't we just say.......Decent humanity is to keep the family together until its properly fixed, whether that be deportation, charged with an offense if repeat offender, etc. That using children to score political points in a debate is not moral.

 

Thinking for one's self independently of party seems to be lost. It's like we wear a blue or red bandana. :thumbsdown:

Agreed...

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1. I'd like to see the media, any Media, Fox, CNN, whoever, go to honduras, go to Guatemala and explain why exactly these people want to fuking leaving in the first place. I know that smacks of something called journalism, but it'd be damn interesting to me. If there's some Violent dictator fuking things up for these people, we could probably take his ass out in a weekend. Especially now that we have a space force.

 

Probably way too simplistic I know. Still.

 

2. If these people are all so God damn poor, how can every time they show one of the mothers they are fuking huge?

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This straw man again?

Should we turn it around to a Republican position? How many kids are you inviting into your Home if the pro life side gets their way?

That whataboutism should be used on somebody else. I'm not a hypocrite. I wish more people would avail themselves of that procedure.

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That whataboutism should be used on somebody else. I'm not a hypocrite. I wish more people would avail themselves of that procedure.

It was in general for the use of the straw man you threw out there (that others have used as well in this and other immigration discussions).

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2. If these people are all so God damn poor, how can every time they show one of the mothers they are fuking huge?

 

They're pregnant

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One thing I learned through all this is that the trump administration treats these children better than the Obama administration did.

Remember those awful pictures of those poor kids in jail cells.

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Think I got it figured out.

 

In Starship Troopers, if you joined the Space Force you got automatic citizenship.

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One thing I learned through all this is that the trump administration treats these children better than the Obama administration did.

Remember those awful pictures of those poor kids in jail cells.

I remember them this week...but you can keep wrongly comparing to unaccompanied minors 4 years ago if you wish to continue looking like an ignorant lemming.

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It was in general for the use of the straw man you threw out there (that others have used as well in this and other immigration discussions).

I don't see it as a straw man at all. Do you (not you personally) care enough about these people and their plight to open your homes and take them in while they await processing? Or do you just want to use this as a wedge issue to bludgeon the other side with? My guess is that very few people would be willing to take in any of these families. Although I'm sure some would, if given the opportunity.

 

For the most part I see this as nothing more than virtue signaling and rabble rousing.

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Man.....politics really is the bloods versus the crips. People will "ride" for their "side" no matter what. Sheesh. Obama had the law first!@#! Oh so you want completely open borders!@#! What about the American Family?!@#! You made the law!@#! No YOU made the law!@#!

 

Can't we just say.......Decent humanity is to keep the family together until its properly fixed, whether that be deportation, charged with an offense if repeat offender, etc. That using children to score political points in a debate is not moral.

 

Thinking for one's self independently of party seems to be lost. It's like we wear a blue or red bandana. :thumbsdown:

 

It's a Culture War.

 

Politics is where the lines are initially drawn, and largely based on that division, everyone now is being forced to one side or the other on football, science, basketball, historical facts, American tragedies, children, films, television shows, parenting, the way people wear their clothes, college, the military, police, our intelligence agencies, sexual assault, etc.

 

A small number of people benefit from an all out Culture War. The vast majority of us suffer from it.

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I don't see it as a straw man at all. Do you (not you personally) care enough about these people and their plight to open your homes and take them in while they await processing? Or do you just want to use this as a wedge issue to bludgeon the other side with? My guess is that very few people would be willing to take in any of these families. Although I'm sure some would, if given the opportunity.

 

For the most part I see this as nothing more than virtue signaling and rabble rousing.

Its a straw man as

A. These people are not asking to be housed.

B. These people detained would not be allowed to travel into say...Tennessee for me to house them anyway.

 

Its a bogus way to avoid discussing the problem and paint liberals as not caring.

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1. I'd like to see the media, any Media, Fox, CNN, whoever, go to honduras, go to Guatemala and explain why exactly these people want to fuking leaving in the first place. I know that smacks of something called journalism, but it'd be damn interesting to me. If there's some Violent dictator fuking things up for these people, we could probably take his ass out in a weekend. Especially now that we have a space force.

 

 

 

The side that wants all of the people to stay in their shiithole countries is the same side that wants us to not get involved in making shiithole countries less shiitholeish. Isolationist, you stay away from me and I stay away from you.

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Its a straw man as

A. These people are not asking to be housed.

B. These people detained would not be allowed to travel into say...Tennessee for me to house them anyway.

 

Its a bogus way to avoid discussing the problem and paint liberals as not caring.

One more in the 0 column. :thumbsup:

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If you smuggle your kids through an entire country in the Blazing heat in the back of a truck, shipping container or worse just to get here knowing full well you're probably going to get split from your child? You deserve to have your children taken away.

 

Very very simple. Don't want Your children taken from you don't come here illegally.

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So, what happens if the parents say "We don't want to be separated from our children. Give them back and we'll leave." Do we escort the family to the border and let them go? I suspect we do. So, why is this on us and not on the parents?

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I knew Newbie couldn't keep out of these threads. Just a matter of time til his Urethra alias is banned.

 

:banana: :banana: :banana:

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You know how many people are starving in the streets of leftist run countries south of our border? Millions. So if they all start walking north we just let em in?

 

Don't be a focking moron.

People are retards and can't see the forest for the trees. That's exactly what happens if you start just allowing everyone at the border in. What would we become? The trash that is central and south America.

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Seems lovely.

 

 

Source

 

Sounds like my nieces and nephew when their dad was hauled away in a police car. I think it's fine to feel bad for the kids, but I blame the parent(s).

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Its a straw man as

A. These people are not asking to be housed.

B. These people detained would not be allowed to travel into say...Tennessee for me to house them anyway.

 

Its a bogus way to avoid discussing the problem and paint liberals as not caring.

 

True, they get to stay in places like Arizona. :thumbsdown:

 

Honest question, what happened before Trump and his evilness? A family arrived seeking asylum and... then what? :dunno:

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Honest question, what happened before Trump and his evilness? A family arrived seeking asylum and... then what? :dunno:

 

The Trump administration has introduced a "zero-tolerance" policy calling for the prosecution of all individuals who illegally enter the United States.

This policy has the effect of separating parents from their children when they enter the country together, because parents are referred for prosecution and the children are placed in the custody of a sponsor, such as a relative or foster home, or held in a shelter.

 

More than 650 children were separated from their parents during a two-week period in May as a result of the new approach being implemented.

As the Trump administration argues, referring immigrants for prosecution is not new policy. But prior administrations did not enforce the practice the way Trump has.

 

Before Trump came into office, families were detained together, sent back immediately or paroled into the country, said Peter Margulies, an immigration law and national security law professor at Roger Williams University School of Law. Now, prosecution is happening across the board and has become the uniform policy.

 

"The policy has ramped up substantially with the new administration," Margulies said. "Making that a staple of immigration policy is a new feature."

 

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So, what happens if the parents say "We don't want to be separated from our children. Give them back and we'll leave." Do we escort the family to the border and let them go? I suspect we do. So, why is this on us and not on the parents?

Zero tolerance. The assumption is if you're here, regardless of intent condition or circumstance, you've broken the law.

 

It's ironic that the same guy who whine about Paul manafort having to go to jail before his trial is the same guy doing the same thing to immigrants.

 

Even worse. Let's see that Jose goes through the process and is exonerated. As it stands right now, there is absolutely no way of tracking or knowing where his daughter is that got separated from him at the border. How fucken stupid is that?

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