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Which late round RB stands the best chance of becoming a winning lottery ticket?

 

D. Booker - Denver

D. Washington - Oakland

C. Mike - Seattle

J. Howard Chicago

 

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D. Wash simply because Latavius is a downhill runner and gets nicked up easy. There is no WOW factor to Murrays game. No shiftiness. As opposed to D-Wash who's amazingly shifty and seems to already be taking the third down role in the pass game. Needs to improve a little in pass protection. Raiders have a better O-Line. D-Wash would be a solid pick. You can buy into the C-Mike hype if you want. He's hasn't proven to be much due his lack of ability reading the gaps and reading defenses in general. Ridiculous SPARQ score, horrible football player. D. Booker is a solid sleeper as well due to the fact it's Kubiak offense (run heavy), still stout defense and Mark Sanchez is throwing the ball. Booker already proving to be a solid number 2 behind CJ. Hillman might not even make the roster. Booker has great elusiveness, vision and a solid pass catcher. If CJ proves to be ineffective again he might jump out the gates early. Jordan Howard hasn't proven to be effective much in Bears training camp. That aside John Fox has only once had a running back log 60% of the team carries. Will most likely apply "hot hand" to determine which back gets more carries. A brutal backfield showdown with no one coming out on top. I'm staying away from that backfield all together, I suggest you do the same. One person you forgot to mention is Kenneth Dixon. In my opinion watching his college tapes at La Tech there is no flaw to his game a bruiser back with finesse and elegance kinda reminds me of Marshawn and LeSean McCoy in one. Very shifty. Keep an eye out. Terrance West is also person to consider if getting Kenneth Dixon. Both proved to be solid preseason opener. OC Marc Trestman more often than not is a one back kinda guy. Forsett is on the wrong side of 30 with an injury coming back from a broken arm and not participating in preseason. Nothing is guaranteed for Forsett he has to earn his role.

My rankings for those players of which have the highest chance of breaking out would be:

1) Deandre Washington

2)D. Booker

3) Kenneth Dixon

I wouldn't consider the rest. Personally I'm getting all three and stashing them 1 of them is bound to break out if not multiple.

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Cmike. He is the starter if Rawls isn't ready to take the lead by game 1

I agree. Everything that I've been hearing says Cmike is real (this time). Prosise is having big problems like: has struggled with the playbook & falling farther behind because he can't play/practice (hamstring injury)...Delay in the maturation process.

 

Cmike looked like gold a few years ago. Became lazy, disinterested, whatever. Seattle cut him. They resigned him last year because of injuries but they didn't trust him enough to use him really (based on their experiences).

 

Now we fast forward to now. All I'm hearing is that he is a different guy. He shows up early, stays late, good attitude, in shape, understands playbook, etc...

 

For a coach/organization to change speeds on a player they cut (& floated around the league for a bit) this fast - I'm paying attention. It sounds to me that Prosise will be brought along slowly & Cmike will spell Rawls (assuming he's healthy).

To quickly discredit him based on the past w/o considering today is a mistake IMO.

Some guys need a "wake up call" & I think someone got in his ear about his ways earning him a ticket out of the league & he decided to fight like hell.

 

I'd personally rank them:

Washington, CMike, Booker, Howard - of the 4 you asked about.

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DeAngelo Williams and Alfred Morris

 

DeAngelo was a big hit last season when Bell was out. He's going to be starting the first 4 it looks. It would shock me if Bell doesn't miss other games as well giving DeAngelo a great opportunity to shine. When Bell is playing DeAngelo will still be a decent spot starter and definitely worth keeping on the bench. He was an RB1 when he started last season, he probably will be when he starts this season as well.

 

Morris will be the Cowboys 2nd RB it looks like. McFadden isn't healthy and seems to have fallen out of favor. If by some chance Ezekiel Elliot doesn't work out Morris will be in a great spot and could be a strong RB2

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I agree. Everything that I've been hearing says Cmike is real (this time). Prosise is having big problems like: has struggled with the playbook & falling farther behind because he can't play/practice (hamstring injury)...Delay in the maturation process.

 

Cmike looked like gold a few years ago. Became lazy, disinterested, whatever. Seattle cut him. They resigned him last year because of injuries but they didn't trust him enough to use him really (based on their experiences).

 

Now we fast forward to now. All I'm hearing is that he is a different guy. He shows up early, stays late, good attitude, in shape, understands playbook, etc...

 

For a coach/organization to change speeds on a player they cut (& floated around the league for a bit) this fast - I'm paying attention. It sounds to me that Prosise will be brought along slowly & Cmike will spell Rawls (assuming he's healthy).

To quickly discredit him based on the past w/o considering today is a mistake IMO.

Some guys need a "wake up call" & I think someone got in his ear about his ways earning him a ticket out of the league & he decided to fight like hell.

 

I'd personally rank them:

Washington, CMike, Booker, Howard - of the 4 you asked about.

Plus if Cmike was such a crappy guy, wouldn't they just cut him and bring in a vet who could actually help the team possibly? Makes no sense to keep him if what they are saying is the opposite of reality

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Lottery ticket is right. You're going to spend something (a draft pick in this case), in hopes that you hit it big. Well, just like with the lottery, You're going to lose. I'm on record here and now and say that none of these guys will be worth starting. I put their odds of them being truly relevant at 0%. "Relevant" meaning "worth starting". Being stuck having to start one of them does not make them "worth starting".

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Lottery ticket is right. You're going to spend something (a draft pick in this case), in hopes that you hit it big. Well, just like with the lottery, You're going to lose. I'm on record here and now and say that none of these guys will be worth starting. I put their odds of them being truly relevant at 0%. "Relevant" meaning "worth starting". Being stuck having to start one of them does not make them "worth starting".

Sure we can say that about any lotto ticket player and be right most of the time. Same could have been said about David Johnson last year though.

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Booker, Washington, Perkins, Dixon, Howard, not CMike.

I think CMike is someone you grab only if the others on this list are gone.

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Sure we can say that about any lotto ticket player and be right most of the time. Same could have been said about David Johnson last year though.

 

I don't think so. Johnson was a 3-down back prospect on a prolific offense with injury-prone competition. None of that can be said for any of those 4 guys.

 

In the 3 leagues I'm in, David Johnson was getting drafted between the 8th and 12th rounds. I can't imagine ANY of those 4 being taken before round 15.

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The Ravens J Allen in ppr i think will be the guy to own with that team. .

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Guy not being mentioned here at all is Wendell Smallwood... Matthews is scrambled egg brains waiting to happen and sproles is no true ball carrying rb.. Smallwood could end up being the guy in Philly and the coaches have mentioned a bit of Jamal Charles when talking about him...

 

And even though the whole running game was a mess the first preseason game I still think Marshall in Washington may end up being relevant if Jones continues his suck... He is being "motivated" by being buried on the depth chart but once the live bullets start flying they will play the guy that can do the most and his insane size/speed combo may have him in a starters role..

 

The late round pick that may win people leagues this year is Jerrick Mckinnon... If A.P. goes down he could/will put up multiple rb1 weeks...

 

And I'm still not totally writing off Karlos Williams... Ryan will forgive him, he should shed his "wife's baby weight", Shady may go down, and the other backs on the roster won't stand in his way later in the season....

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I don't think so. Johnson was a 3-down back prospect on a prolific offense with injury-prone competition. None of that can be said for any of those 4 guys.

 

In the 3 leagues I'm in, David Johnson was getting drafted between the 8th and 12th rounds. I can't imagine ANY of those 4 being taken before round 15.

 

I have been taking DWash in round 12 (PPR), he is currently my highest % owned player. At the point that I take him, Booker is usually gone already or goes shortly after.

 

I may not be correct for doing so, time will tell, but it does make you incorrect right now......... for the bolded.

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I don't think so. Johnson was a 3-down back prospect on a prolific offense with injury-prone competition. None of that can be said for any of those 4 guys.

 

In the 3 leagues I'm in, David Johnson was getting drafted between the 8th and 12th rounds. I can't imagine ANY of those 4 being taken before round 15.

I'm jumping on the D wash bandwagon. The Raiders offense is better than most people give them credit. Carr is a QB who has improved every year. Cooper looks like he will be a legit #1 WR and Crabtree is finding his groove as solid #2 option in that offense. The o-line is being hyped as one of the best in the league, making any running back they have a potential top 12. The d isn't great, but good enough to hold onto most leads, making 4th quarter ground and pound a real possibility. I think Murray will be the guy for them this year, but if he goes down Washington becomes a borderline #1 just based on the situation. I believe Washington will carve out a role regardless of Murrays health and could turn into a decent flex option in some deeper leagues.

 

Booker is in the Kubiak offense which gives him a solid chance at starting one week and being benched the next. The Raven back field is cluttered with guys, so I'll pass on all of them. I own Rawls in a keeper league (17th round) so CMike at the right price I'll be interested in, but I'm not reaching for any of the Seattle backups. Howard is probably the second most interesting to me, but with Langford being the current starter, Kadeem seems to have the trust around the red zone and the o-line is awful. There are more late round WR fliers that are interesting to me than RBs.

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Lottery ticket is right. You're going to spend something (a draft pick in this case), in hopes that you hit it big. Well, just like with the lottery, You're going to lose. I'm on record here and now and say that none of these guys will be worth starting. I put their odds of them being truly relevant at 0%. "Relevant" meaning "worth starting". Being stuck having to start one of them does not make them "worth starting".

Well if you are really going on record..... !!!!! Then you have my attention....

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Lottery ticket is right. You're going to spend something (a draft pick in this case), in hopes that you hit it big. Well, just like with the lottery, You're going to lose. I'm on record here and now and say that none of these guys will be worth starting. I put their odds of them being truly relevant at 0%. "Relevant" meaning "worth starting". Being stuck having to start one of them does not make them "worth starting".

Well, if you expected them to start they would be drafted in round 6 or earlier.

 

when you are getting beyond round 10 you are looking at guys you would not normally start on your team (or any team for that matter) unless one of your starters gets injured.

 

Lots of times, you are picking these guys because you have the starter on the same team and want a little insurance in case the starter goes down or in case the starter is ineffective and loses their job.

 

so, (for example) if you draft CJ Anderson, it would be a smart move to acquire Booker later in the draft. In theory, Bookers value should be higher for the CJ Anderson owner.

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Lottery ticket is right. You're going to spend something (a draft pick in this case), in hopes that you hit it big. Well, just like with the lottery, You're going to lose. I'm on record here and now and say that none of these guys will be worth starting. I put their odds of them being truly relevant at 0%. "Relevant" meaning "worth starting". Being stuck having to start one of them does not make them "worth starting".

Ouch, im not gonna lie this was bad, really really bad. Like time for an alias bad maybe. Guys go from irrelevant to studs every year and you dont know jack shiz about who that will be.

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Ouch, im not gonna lie this was bad, really really bad. Like time for an alias bad maybe. Guys go from irrelevant to studs every year and you dont know jack shiz about who that will be.

 

Spot on, TBay just openly declared he is brand new to this fantasy football thing.

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Spot on, TBay just openly declared he is brand new to this fantasy football thing.

I don't think new, just way off on that take. It's major hyperbole to say there is a 0% chance of those talented guys being startable, or anyone really. It's football, all 4 of those guys incumbent starters could get hurt this week and I would barely be shocked.

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I don't think new, just way off on that take. It's major hyperbole to say there is a 0% chance of those talented guys being startable, or anyone really. It's football, all 4 of those guys incumbent starters could get hurt this week and I would barely be shocked.

well, RB is the most likely position for someone to get injured (in my opinion) so when there is a good handcuff such as booker, its smart business to backup your CJA pickup with him.

 

in my case, I dont believe much in CJA. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Booker was starting by week 3. As such, I would grab booker outright without having CJA on my team.

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Watchout for Kenjon Barner of the Philadelphia Eagles. He looks great so far and he's backing up Ryan Matthews who gets hurt nearly every game. Since he got here in 2014, Barner has just made plays every chance he's gotten. I'm convinced the kid can play.

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Which late round RB stands the best chance of becoming a winning lottery ticket?

 

D. Booker - Denver

D. Washington - Oakland

C. Mike - Seattle

J. Howard Chicago

 

I like the starter on each of these teams so not interested in these guys except as a handcuff in deep leagues.

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C Mike could pull an ultra Magnus on folks. Again. And then, some rando rb will show up and be Hot Rod. Again. But him and Washington are the ones with reasonably clear paths to go from late rounders to every week starters. I want at least one of them but it just depends how the draft goes. I'm picking at the end of the round so I could be sitting pretty depending on who 'falls to me' early on.

 

Everyone just needs to remember that trying to find the next d'lo Williams 2015 could land you with last year's Cameron Artis-Payne or Fred Jackson. Or Zach Zenner. Or Roy Helu. You get it. So draft well to start to make sure that you don't 'need' any of these guys to blow up in order to make your team viable.

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I'll try to reply to everyone here...

1. I've been playing fantasy football for about 20 years, so no, I'm not a newb.

2. I never said there won't be ANY lottery ticket worthy players, just saying the 4 mentioned aren't.

3. Yeah, there's always guys that had a few big weeks at the end of the season, but they're generally waiver wire pick ups, not guys you drafted and carried on your bench for 10-12 weeks.

 

The RB that I'd consider as a much better lottery ticket than those 4 is Jerick McKinnon.

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I'll try to reply to everyone here...

1. I've been playing fantasy football for about 20 years, so no, I'm not a newb.

2. I never said there won't be ANY lottery ticket worthy players, just saying the 4 mentioned aren't.

3. Yeah, there's always guys that had a few big weeks at the end of the season, but they're generally waiver wire pick ups, not guys you drafted and carried on your bench for 10-12 weeks.

The RB that I'd consider as a much better lottery ticket than those 4 is Jerick McKinnon.

So you are saying Adrian Petersons backup who needs AP to get hurt to be relevant is a good lotto ticket. But 4 guys who are either an injury away or in Bookers case, could easily just take over, are not? You say AP has a higher chance of getting drastically injured than those 4 guys ahead of those players? That is simply ludicrous. Jerrick has exactly the same chance of being relevant as any backup who would presumably get the lions share if his starter were to miss time. I'll say he is a better ticket than Howard, who isn't necessarily the direct backup, but those other guys no way.
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So you are saying Adrian Petersons backup who needs AP to get hurt to be relevant is a good lotto ticket. But 4 guys who are either an injury away or in Bookers case, could easily just take over, are not? You say AP has a higher chance of getting drastically injured than those 4 guys ahead of those players? That is simply ludicrous. Jerrick has exactly the same chance of being relevant as any backup who would presumably get the lions share if his starter were to miss time. I'll say he is a better ticket than Howard, who isn't necessarily the direct backup, but those other guys no way.

 

They're ALL an injury away from starting... who care's who the starter is? Peterson played only 2 full seasons in the last 6 years (1 of which was a suspension - not injury). He's currently 31 years old and has touched the ball over 2,700 times. The clock is ticking. McKinnon is also in the best position to succeed. Minnesota's offense is pretty good, it's not great, but it is solid (safer than both Denver and Chicago). Minnesota doesn't have other guys who'll steal carries (like Seattle), and he's not a 1-trick pony like Washington. Also, McKinnon has already shown that in the NFL, he can rush for over 4+ yards per carry with just over 800 total attempts. He's also able to catch the ball. He's a 3-down back, unlike Washington and Michael. Devan Booker and Jordan Howard have never even played a snap in the NFL and were late round picks. I honestly don't get your logic here thinking McKinnon is a lesser option than Michael (who's been cut by Seattle - and Dallas already), and 2 guys who've never played a snap in an NFL regular season game.

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They're ALL an injury away from starting... who care's who the starter is? Peterson played only 2 full seasons in the last 6 years (1 of which was a suspension - not injury). He's currently 31 years old and has touched the ball over 2,700 times. The clock is ticking. McKinnon is also in the best position to succeed. Minnesota's offense is pretty good, it's not great, but it is solid (safer than both Denver and Chicago). Minnesota doesn't have other guys who'll steal carries (like Seattle), and he's not a 1-trick pony like Washington. Also, McKinnon has already shown that in the NFL, he can rush for over 4+ yards per carry with just over 800 total attempts. He's also able to catch the ball. He's a 3-down back, unlike Washington and Michael. Devan Booker and Jordan Howard have never even played a snap in the NFL and were late round picks. I honestly don't get your logic here thinking McKinnon is a lesser option than Michael (who's been cut by Seattle - and Dallas already), and 2 guys who've never played a snap in an NFL regular season game.

It's all about opportunity. Mckinnon has an equal opportunity as anyone else. Peterson has been pretty damn healthy his entire career while usually just missing a game here or there.

 

How many running backs have played the last 6 seasons without missing any time? Frank Gore is all that comes to mind.

 

AP isn't quite the overall force he once was, but he runs very hard still. He wants as many yards as possible. He is not here just to collect a pay check. There are backups as talented as Mckinnon in the league. Peterson is not any more likely to be injured than any other starter.

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They're ALL an injury away from starting... who care's who the starter is? Peterson played only 2 full seasons in the last 6 years (1 of which was a suspension - not injury). He's currently 31 years old and has touched the ball over 2,700 times. The clock is ticking. McKinnon is also in the best position to succeed. Minnesota's offense is pretty good, it's not great, but it is solid (safer than both Denver and Chicago). Minnesota doesn't have other guys who'll steal carries (like Seattle), and he's not a 1-trick pony like Washington. Also, McKinnon has already shown that in the NFL, he can rush for over 4+ yards per carry with just over 800 total attempts. He's also able to catch the ball. He's a 3-down back, unlike Washington and Michael. Devan Booker and Jordan Howard have never even played a snap in the NFL and were late round picks. I honestly don't get your logic here thinking McKinnon is a lesser option than Michael (who's been cut by Seattle - and Dallas already), and 2 guys who've never played a snap in an NFL regular season game.

I think you are right in the sense that ADP's backup is one of those players to watch. Not because I dont believe in ADP, but for the reasons you mentioned above, he now falls into the category of higher risk players.

 

Most RB's run into the problem that their body breaks down and they get injured, but some just become less productive.

 

That being said, if I got him for a reasonable price I'd still pick ADP in a draft knowing the risks, but the current ADP does not (in my mind) take the risks into account.

 

but I think you are wrong in saying the players mentioned arent good Lotto tickets.

 

I think Booker is an Excellent Lotto ticket.

 

yes, he is a rookie, but he is playing for a coach that has no problem throwing rookies into the fire and has done so in the past. He also plays for a team that has a reputation for doing the same.

 

As for the rest, they all have a chance (not as good a chance, but a chance nonetheless)

 

Washington has performed well, and Murray hasnt been as good as the coaches would like. for a while he was in the doghouse because he wasnt doing the things he needed to do on passing downs. If he underperforms or gets hurt, Washington has the talent to perform if he gets a shot.

 

CMike: everyone knows about his huge talent. the issue is that he hasnt been doing things well in pass pro and has been slow in learning the playbook. it sounds like he may have finally put things together, but he is not the starter. He may get a chance to start because of Rawls injury, so he will get an audition. I said this on another thread, but he would really need to put up a huge week or two to steal the job, but he does have the talent.

 

one other thing worth mentioning: I have to believe that Rawls may have been more hurt than we were led to believe or that Seattle isnt as happy with Rawls as advertised because Seattle drafted not one, but two young RB's with a lot of upside. This tells me that he can be unseated.

 

I still think this is unlikely, but the lotto ticket is not without potential.

 

Howard in Chicago, I dont know as much about him as a player but the coach (fox) has a history of using the RBBC approach and has publicly said he will go with the 'hot hand' so there is the potential for this kid to get significant carries. Especially if Langford has one or two poor games.

 

I would suggest that there is less upside with this kid because of Fox's leaning toward using a RBBC. This is my opinion only. others feel differently.

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It's all about opportunity. Mckinnon has an equal opportunity as anyone else. Peterson has been pretty damn healthy his entire career while usually just missing a game here or there.

 

How many running backs have played the last 6 seasons without missing any time? Frank Gore is all that comes to mind.

 

AP isn't quite the overall force he once was, but he runs very hard still. He wants as many yards as possible. He is not here just to collect a pay check. There are backups as talented as Mckinnon in the league. Peterson is not any more likely to be injured than any other starter.

 

I don't disagree with any of that... except, the position is a high injury risk, being 31 with 2700+ touches, it does make him a higher injury risk than others. I'd put Gore higher than him, but in cases that we're discussing (Oakland, Denver, Chicago, and Seattle), the incumbents are much younger with a lot less tread on the tires.

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I don't disagree with any of that... except, the position is a high injury risk, being 31 with 2700+ touches, it does make him a higher injury risk than others. I'd put Gore higher than him, but in cases that we're discussing (Oakland, Denver, Chicago, and Seattle), the incumbents are much younger with a lot less tread on the tires.

Younger, but Rawls has had injury history going back to college, and we don't know how he will come back. Langford just isn't all that special imo. An easy target to leap on the depth chart.

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I think you are right in the sense that ADP's backup is one of those players to watch. Not because I dont believe in ADP, but for the reasons you mentioned above, he now falls into the category of higher risk players.

 

Most RB's run into the problem that their body breaks down and they get injured, but some just become less productive.

 

That being said, if I got him for a reasonable price I'd still pick ADP in a draft knowing the risks, but the current ADP does not (in my mind) take the risks into account.

 

but I think you are wrong in saying the players mentioned arent good Lotto tickets.

 

I think Booker is an Excellent Lotto ticket.

 

yes, he is a rookie, but he is playing for a coach that has no problem throwing rookies into the fire and has done so in the past. He also plays for a team that has a reputation for doing the same.

 

As for the rest, they all have a chance (not as good a chance, but a chance nonetheless)

 

Washington has performed well, and Murray hasnt been as good as the coaches would like. for a while he was in the doghouse because he wasnt doing the things he needed to do on passing downs. If he underperforms or gets hurt, Washington has the talent to perform if he gets a shot.

 

CMike: everyone knows about his huge talent. the issue is that he hasnt been doing things well in pass pro and has been slow in learning the playbook. it sounds like he may have finally put things together, but he is not the starter. He may get a chance to start because of Rawls injury, so he will get an audition. I said this on another thread, but he would really need to put up a huge week or two to steal the job, but he does have the talent.

 

one other thing worth mentioning: I have to believe that Rawls may have been more hurt than we were led to believe or that Seattle isnt as happy with Rawls as advertised because Seattle drafted not one, but two young RB's with a lot of upside. This tells me that he can be unseated.

 

I still think this is unlikely, but the lotto ticket is not without potential.

 

Howard in Chicago, I dont know as much about him as a player but the coach (fox) has a history of using the RBBC approach and has publicly said he will go with the 'hot hand' so there is the potential for this kid to get significant carries. Especially if Langford has one or two poor games.

 

I would suggest that there is less upside with this kid because of Fox's leaning toward using a RBBC. This is my opinion only. others feel differently.

 

You're right, everyone has "a chance". For me though, it has to be a decent chance. Anything less than that may as well be 0 because I wouldn't trust them. Why draft a player you don't think has at least a reasonable chance? I don't think any of those 4 do.

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Younger, but Rawls has had injury history going back to college, and we don't know how he will come back. Langford just isn't all that special imo. An easy target to leap on the depth chart.

You're right, but Rawls isn't the only guy there. Remember, they drafted what, 2 or 3 other RB's other than re-signing Michael? Langford might not be... but the Bears didn't necessarily believe Howard was either because they were perfectly willing to give every other team virtually 5 chances to take him before they did.

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1. They're ALL an injury away from starting... who care's who the starter is? Peterson played only 2 full seasons in the last 6 years (1 of which was a suspension - not injury). He's currently 31 years old and has touched the ball over 2,700 times. The clock is ticking. 2. McKinnon is also in the best position to succeed. Minnesota's offense is pretty good, it's not great, but it is solid (safer than both Denver and Chicago). 3. Minnesota doesn't have other guys who'll steal carries (like Seattle), and he's not a 1-trick pony like Washington. Also,4. McKinnon has already shown that in the NFL, he can rush for over 4+ yards per carry with just over 800 total attempts. He's also able to catch the ball. He's a 3-down back, unlike Washington and Michael. Devan Booker and Jordan Howard have never even played a snap in the NFL and were late round picks. 5.. I honestly don't get your logic here thinking McKinnon is a lesser option than Michael (who's been cut by Seattle - and Dallas already), and 2 guys who've never played a snap in an NFL regular season game.

1. I care when the starter is an all time nfl great with zero chance of being benched for performance like some of the other guys starters.

 

2. You are overrating Jerrick. Right before Hills breakout, I traded him for Jerrick who was the new starter and had a decent game. Jerrick did squat while Hill took over the nfl, cost me the title. He is mediocre. Vikings are nothing without AP.

 

3. Oh no one to steal carries? Like when Jerrick was starting and Matt Asiata got all the tds? Dont assume they wouldnt do something like that again, he aint some star waiting for his chance.

 

4. Not even sure what you are saying here. 800 attempts? He has 165 carries. Alot of backups to studs have high ypc, they play in garbage time or clean up, its misleading.

 

5. Didnt say he was a lesser option than Michael, I just said he wasnt better. He is equal at best.

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