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#1 edjr

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:58 AM

Federer - 20

Rafa - 17

 

Federer is 36 (37 in August)

Rafa is 32 (June 3)

 

 

Assuming Feds doesn't win another (which is not a given won 2 last year)

 

Do you think Rafa will run him down?

 

 

When does Federer come out with the RF20 method and try to hawk anything he can to make some extra coin?


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#2 ZeroTolerance

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:05 AM

Still wouldn't be as impressive to me even if he catches him. Federer won the Australian 6 times, Wimbledon 8 times, French once, US 5 times (and 6 tour finals wins). Nadal has 1, 11, 2, 3 (and 0 tour finals wins). Nadal is the GOAT on clay, but not for all of tennis. 


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#3 edjr

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:09 AM

Still wouldn't be as impressive to me even if he catches him. Federer won the Australian 6 times, Wimbledon 8 times, French once, US 5 times (and 6 tour finals wins). Nadal has 1, 11, 2, 3 (and 0 tour finals wins). Nadal is the GOAT on clay, but not for all of tennis. 

 

100% 

 

Roger is my dude. Greatest of all time in any sport. Freak of nature. Seems like the most down to earth, greatest, most humble dude too.
 

Just trying to bring a new thread to the board and see what people think, if Rafa will catch him. You have to assume Rafa wins another, 2 French at minimum? Joker won't be back till 2019 maybe


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#4 tanatastic

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:12 AM

Wtf those guys are young as hell. Seems like I have been hearing about them for decades. Yes he can catch Fed.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:13 AM

Wtf those guys are young as hell. Seems like I have been hearing about them for decades. Yes he can catch Fed.

 

30 used to be the end when it came to Tennis.


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#6 tanatastic

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:15 AM

100% 
 
Roger is my dude. Greatest of all time in any sport. Freak of nature.

Hold on there, Gretzky would like a word. As you are well aware, his list of records and stats sound like grossly exaggerated pranks.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:19 AM

Still wouldn't be as impressive to me even if he catches him. Federer won the Australian 6 times, Wimbledon 8 times, French once, US 5 times (and 6 tour finals wins). Nadal has 1, 11, 2, 3 (and 0 tour finals wins). Nadal is the GOAT on clay, but not for all of tennis. 

 

How come we say GOAT instead of BOAT...I think Nadal is the BOAT on clay.



#8 edjr

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:22 AM

Hold on there, Gretzky would like a word. As you are well aware, his list of records and stats sound like grossly exaggerated pranks.

 

Gretzky was amazing. I am a huge hockey nut. Mario Lemieux is right there with him. Look at the stats from that era, that were SO out of whack.

Record for goals in one season.  Hull 86, 72? you telling me Ovechkin isn't as good as Hull?

 

1.     Wayne Gretzky*     92     1981-82
2.     Wayne Gretzky*     87     1983-84
3.     Brett Hull*     86     1990-91
4.     Mario Lemieux*     85     1988-89
5.     Phil Esposito*     76     1970-71
      Alexander Mogilny     76     1992-93
      Teemu Selanne*     76     1992-93
8.     Wayne Gretzky*     73     1984-85
9.     Brett Hull*     72     1989-90
10.     Wayne Gretzky*     71     1982-83
      Jari Kurri*     71     1984-85
12.     Mario Lemieux*     70     1987-88
      Bernie Nicholls     70     1988-89
      Brett Hull*     70     1991-92
15.     Mike Bossy*     69     1978-79
      Mario Lemieux*     69     1992-93
      Mario Lemieux*     69     1995-96
18.     Phil Esposito*     68     1973-74
      Mike Bossy*     68     1980-81
      Jari Kurri*     68     1985-86
21.     Phil Esposito*     66     1971-72
      Lanny McDonald*     66     1982-83
23.     Steve Yzerman*     65     1988-89
      Alex Ovechkin     65     2007-08

 

 

During those years, a player could score a goal by flat shooting at the net. No need for deflections.  It so hard for players to score now


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#9 tanatastic

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:26 AM

Yea I feel,you, it was a def era. I just think Wayne’s records are so ludicrous it’s hard to put anyone above him. Stuff like he would still be the all time points leader even if he didn’t score a single career goal. Just silly stuff that boggles the mind. I’ll def let Federer sit at the table, no doubt.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:33 AM

All that scoring was before goalie equipment became a joke 

 

 

I just google imaged NHL Goalie 1986

 

 

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Look at this picture of Mike Vernon.... Should be all you need to know about hockey scoring 


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#11 edjr

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:34 AM

Yea I feel,you, it was a def era. I just think Wayne’s records are so ludicrous it’s hard to put anyone above him. Stuff like he would still be the all time points leader even if he didn’t score a single career goal. Just silly stuff that boggles the mind. I’ll def let Federer sit at the table, no doubt.

 

Stats only don't make legends.

 

He still only won 4 cups in 9 years with Edmonton

0 with the Kings for 7 years and the rest of his career

 

Not sure why being the greatest ever wasn't able to win in LA :dunno:


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#12 TimmySmith

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:42 AM

Nadal will win 5 more FOs and take the title. 


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:49 AM

 

Stats only don't make legends.

 

He still only won 4 cups in 9 years with Edmonton

0 with the Kings for 7 years and the rest of his career

 

Not sure why being the greatest ever wasn't able to win in LA :dunno:

 

That's it?


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:07 PM

I go with Jerry Rice. He owns all the stats by such a wide margin, yet did it in an era in which QBs lead the league in TD Passes with 27-28 and about a thousand less yards per season as the modern QBs.


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#15 Cruzer

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:13 PM

Floyd Mayweather is the GOAT of all time, all sports.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:20 PM

I go with Jerry Rice. He owns all the stats by such a wide margin, yet did it in an era in which QBs lead the league in TD Passes with 27-28 and about a thousand less yards per season as the modern QBs.

 

He's a great one. Sadly, for him, he doesn't throw himself the ball.


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#17 GobbleDog

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:20 PM

I tried watching some of Nadal's final... his obscenely loud groans after each shot quickly became too annoying to take.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:23 PM

I tried watching some of Nadal's final... his obscenely loud groans after each shot quickly became too annoying to take.

 

I learned to ignore that long ago (women started it)

 

What I hate is Nadal takes 30 seconds between serves.

 

His OCD is so far out of whack now.  Supposed to receive a penalty if you take more than 25 seconds between serves. They showed he was averaging 30. That needs to be dealt with


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:35 PM

He won't catch Roger.  As noted, Roger still has the chance to win more.  But Rafa has dealt with a lot of injuries the last few years.  I don't see him staying healthy enough to even contend for that many more.  Maybe at the French because Clay is easier on the body.  Wimbledon is as well but he's not as good on grass.  I just think that when you factor everything in the odds are against him.


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:27 PM

He won't catch Roger.  As noted, Roger still has the chance to win more.  But Rafa has dealt with a lot of injuries the last few years.  I don't see him staying healthy enough to even contend for that many more.  Maybe at the French because Clay is easier on the body.  Wimbledon is as well but he's not as good on grass.  I just think that when you factor everything in the odds are against him.

 Most likely this. 

Still wouldn't be as impressive to me even if he catches him. Federer won the Australian 6 times, Wimbledon 8 times, French once, US 5 times (and 6 tour finals wins). Nadal has 1, 11, 2, 3 (and 0 tour finals wins). Nadal is the GOAT on clay, but not for all of tennis.

And this.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 06:37 AM

We have a peer who is going to end up with similar titles to Feds.

Yet some how Feds is above Tiger who had no peers.

It is simple for the top guys to win in Tennis. Old men still run a sport that is supposed to be for the youth.

Feds can be better than Tiger for longevity. But lets not compare them at their best. Tiger did the unthinkable. Feds did about what Nadal has done. Has a losing record to him as well.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 06:39 AM

We have a peer who is going to end up with similar titles to Feds.

Yet some how Feds is above Tiger who had no peers.

It is simple for the top guys to win in Tennis. Old men still run a sport that is supposed to be for the youth.

Feds can be better than Tiger for longevity. But lets not compare them at their best. Tiger did the unthinkable. Feds did about what Nadal has done. Has a losing record to him as well.

 

Take it to the Federer > Tiger thread :D

 

 

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:08 AM

15-23 record vs. His biggest rival.

3-6 in finals

Tennis is set up yo have 2 or 3 guys win everything for years. Golf is not.

His longevity is impressive though. Has to be on PEDs no?

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:11 AM

15-23 record vs. His biggest rival.
 

 

2 and 13 on clay 

 

tiger never played different surfaces. that people were better on

 

Nadal is the goat on clay


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:27 AM

15-23 record vs. His biggest rival.

3-6 in finals

Tennis is set up yo have 2 or 3 guys win everything for years. Golf is not.

His longevity is impressive though. Has to be on PEDs no?

 

Disagree with this.  Just because it's been that way lately doesn't mean it's always been that  way.  In particular, the Agassi/Sampras/Courier/Becker era which overlapped the Connors/McEnroe/Lendl era was a time when there were always at least 3-4 contenders for any Grand Slam.  There is no reason there can't be more top players in Tennis. 


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:31 AM

 

Disagree with this.  Just because it's been that way lately doesn't mean it's always been that  way.  In particular, the Agassi/Sampras/Courier/Becker era which overlapped the Connors/McEnroe/Lendl era was a time when there were always at least 3-4 contenders for any Grand Slam.  There is no reason there can't be more top players in Tennis.

 

Who was the 2nd best player during Tiger's dominance? Phil? Ernie? never once had to play them head to head while one of them played defense.


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:40 AM

 

The Roger Federer vs. Tiger Woods debate is now ancient history

 

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Cast your mind back to the dim, dark ages of 2008-09. As sports fans, we used to play a game back then. It went like this. Who’s the greatest? Tiger or Roger?

I know, this seems absurd now. But remember, they were different times. Tweeting was generally something birds did and the age of the selfie had yet to begin.

In July 2008, before Michael Phelps won his magic eight gold medals and Usain Bolt set his first world record, Tiger Woods and Roger Federer bestrode the sports world as twin giants.

Theirs was a friendly rivalry, forged through their common sponsor Nike and built on mutual appreciation of each other’s skills.

Woods had famously just won his 14th major title, the US Open, effectively on one leg, to draw one ahead of Federer in the major stakes and seemingly on course to sail past golf legend Jack Nicklaus’s record haul of 18 major titles.

Federer also won the US Open in 2008, to take him to 13 grand slam wins, one shy of the record of Pete Sampras. And it did not take the Swiss champion long to go past that record, with two more slams added to his trophy list in 2009 at the French Open and then Wimbledon.

In late 2009, an Associated Press poll of American sports editors selected Woods as the athlete of the decade, ahead of the yet-to-be disgraced Lance Armstrong. Even accounting for local bias, it’s astonishing to recall that Federer only finished third on the list.

That poll was published just weeks after Woods was involved in a minor car crash near his home in Florida and as lurid revelations of his extramarital activities began to surface.

However, no one thought that the upset in his personal life, combined with an ongoing back injury, would so thoroughly derail his professional career. Almost 10 years later, Woods remains stuck on 14 majors and at 42, having been off the tour for most of the last two years, Nicklaus’ record seems well beyond his reach.

 

 

 

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#28 Gladiators

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:47 AM

I gotta give it to Federer.  He's the most well rounded tennis player of all time.  Has adapted his style as needed.  Best movement on the court I've ever seen.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:25 AM

Ok then lets discuss Nadal vs Tiger.

If it is easily Feds over Tiger then Nadal probably is as well.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:53 PM

Take it to the Federer > Tiger thread :D
 
 
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Winning two Grand Slams 5 times consecutively
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14 year gap being #1 in the world
 
 


No effing kidding. How much longer does Tiger have to be mediocre before these loons abandon the argument?

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:56 PM

Ok then lets discuss Nadal vs Tiger.
If it is easily Feds over Tiger then Nadal probably is as well.

Good point. Serena too.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 01:05 PM

I'll take tiger. He plays a much much much much much more mentally demanding sport against much much much much much better competition and bigger fields under differentiating conditions.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 01:06 PM

I'll take tiger. He plays a much much much much much more mentally demanding sport against much much much much much better competition and bigger fields under differentiating conditions.

 

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:47 PM

Good point. Serena too.


Sure keep going. Djokovic has a winning record vs Feds and has like 12 slams. Chalk him up.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:50 PM

Sure keep going. Djokovic has a winning record vs Feds and has like 12 slams. Chalk him up.

Nah, Tiger is better than Djoker. At for the time being.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:50 PM

No effing kidding. How much longer does Tiger have to be mediocre before these loons abandon the argument?


If you read or comprehended my post I said Feds can be better than him for longevity. Has the better overall career. At their best Ill take Tiger. What he did for a strech was almost impossible in golf.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:55 PM

If you read or comprehended my post I said Feds can be better than him for longevity. Has the better overall career. At their best Ill take Tiger. What he did for a strech was almost impossible in golf.

The same can be said about stretches of Fed's career, the difference being his dominance has lasted much longer. Never mind that its easier to play golf for a long time.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:58 PM

The same can be said about stretches of Fed's career, the difference being his has lasted longer. Never mind that its much easier to play golf for a long time.

Nah. What feds did in tennis for any stretch seems possible when his 2 rivals have 12 and 17 slams (they are younger).

The best tennis player ever has a losing record when playing either of his only 2 rivals.

We have obviously been over this a bunch. But golf is much harder to win at the rate Tiger was for a stretch. It isnt even a comparison. That isnt taking much of anything away from Feds. It is just the nature of both sports.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:18 PM

Nah. What feds did in tennis for any stretch seems possible when his 2 rivals have 12 and 17 slams (they are younger).

The best tennis player ever has a losing record when playing either of his only 2 rivals.

We have obviously been over this a bunch. But golf is much harder to win at the rate Tiger was for a stretch. It isnt even a comparison. That isnt taking much of anything away from Feds. It is just the nature of both sports.

Yeah, we have been over this. You guys continue to minimize the head-to-head format versus group tournaments in individual sports. Golf is a little bit harder to win on a per tournament basis, but that doesn't vault Tiger over Fed's level of sustained dominance.

 

What would a tennis player need to accomplish for you to consider them better than Tiger? What would Federer have to do?



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:22 PM

Yeah, we have been over this. You guys continue to minimize the head-to-head format versus group tournaments in individual sports. Golf is a little bit harder to win on a per tournament basis, but that doesn't vault Tiger over Fed's level of sustained dominance.
 
What would a tennis player need to accomplish for you to consider them better than Tiger? What would Federer have to do?

I agree. Plus tennis is insanely hard just to play and keep up physically. Fat guys and the elderly can win golf tournaments. You need to be at peak performance to even make it through a tennis match.