Another school shooting. Houston

[Gladiators 1,904]

I would like to know how involved the parents were in these freaks lives.

[tanatastic 2,061]

I would like to know how involved the parents were in these freaks lives.

He was a school shooter from a mile away. Dude wore black trenchcoats in the summer, had Nazi imagerary on his social media etc. on the other hand he also played football and seemed normal to some people.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Then why you worried about gun legislation? For the kids? This last fuk did it with a shotgun and a pistol.

I'm not worried. Don't have kids and avoid crowded areas in general.

 

But I don't really want to live in a society where I need to be screened by a metal detector to wipe my a$$. Looking at the data, it's clear to me guns are contributing to far more problems than they solve. We need regulation more in line with the rest of the developed world.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I would like to know how involved the parents were in these freaks lives.

Probably not very. How do you solve that problem?

[penultimatestraw 473]

one is easily solved. No social media until 18

You think that is easy? How would you enforce that restriction?

[DuckStupid 40]

I'm not worried. Don't have kids and avoid crowded areas in general.

 

But I don't really want to live in a society where I need to be screened by a metal detector to wipe my a$$. Looking at the data, it's clear to me guns are causing far more problems than they solve. We need regulation more in line with the rest of the developed world.

[DuckStupid 40]

Give me the why. Ill support the right to defend oneself, and hunt for obvious reasons. Why is your right more important than mine?

[DuckStupid 40]

You think that is easy? How would you enforce that restriction?

[DuckStupid 40]

Snapchat, Facebook, instragram, etc, all require proof in 2 ways you 18 easy

[naomi 343]

"If he kills me, I'll haunt him forever" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5751333/Family-murdered-teen-reveal-Santa-Fe-High-School-gunman-pestered-daughter-dates.html

 

Key backstory.

 

Reminds me of the violent incels.

[Gladiators 1,904]

Probably not very. How do you solve that problem?

I dont think it can be solved reasonably.

 

How about we take TBBOMs recommendation of registering everything. In addition, every gun owner is required to own a safe. If a gun is lost/stolen, it needs to be reported.

 

If a kid shoots up a school with a gun owned by their parent, the parent is also held criminally liable.

[MDC 5,890]

I dont think it can be solved reasonably.

 

How about we take TBBOMs recommendation of registering everything. In addition, every gun owner is required to own a safe. If a gun is lost/stolen, it needs to be reported.

 

If a kid shoots up a school with a gun owned by their parent, the parent is also held criminally liable.

All great ideas.

[KSB2424 3,083]

1. Complete ban on all guns except most shotguns, hunting rifles and some hand guns (think revolvers). I also like the registration of guns.

 

2. Every public high school must have an on duty person. (Police, Sheriff, ex military, ex.)

 

3. A hard look at children and social media. Facebook, Twitter, INSTAGRAM, etc need to be involved in a larger discussion with the public as it pertains to adolescents. Its a huge part of all this.

 

4. Medication. This tangent Im not sure about. I think the others play a larger role and this is a red herring. I mean, Id rather have bi polar and schizophrenic person talking to doctors than not. My gut feeling.

 

Just some random thoughts.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Give me the why. Ill support the right to defend oneself, and hunt for obvious reasons. Why is your right more important than mine?

Hunting aint a right; its a hobby for most. And your right to defend yourself must be weighed against the societal consequences of widespread, easily accessible firearms. Since you're far more likely to be shot or shoot someone for the wrong reasons than stop a bad guy, we should consider if additional restrictions are in order.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Snapchat, Facebook, instragram, etc, all require proof in 2 ways you 18 easy

And you don't think someone would create another flavor of social media? How well do porn restrictions work?

[KSB2424 3,083]

And you don't think someone would create another flavor of social media? How well do porn restrictions work?

Pen, youre shrugging it off. Kids and social media is a huge part of this issue and many more. By side stepping it youre showing your tunnel vision on guns opposed to the big picture.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I dont think it can be solved reasonably.

 

How about we take TBBOMs recommendation of registering everything. In addition, every gun owner is required to own a safe. If a gun is lost/stolen, it needs to be reported.

 

If a kid shoots up a school with a gun owned by their parent, the parent is also held criminally liable.

Sounds reasonable

[penultimatestraw 473]

Pen, youre shrugging it off. Kids and social media is a huge part of this issue and many more. By side stepping it youre showing your tunnel vision on guns opposed to the big picture.

No I think social media is a big problem. But the toothpaste is out of the tube IMO, as it would be much harder to regulate the internet than firearms.

[Gladiators 1,904]

Pen, youre shrugging it off. Kids and social media is a huge part of this issue and many more. By side stepping it youre showing your tunnel vision on guns opposed to the big picture.

[wiffleball 4,639]

Just heard about this poor exchange student from Pakistan who got killed in Texas. Ain't that a . I mean the fact that Texas is more dangerous and Pakistan? No , I heard that more kids have died in high schools this year than soldiers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

 

Woohoo! I'm leaving shiithole Pakistan! I'm safe! Blam blam blam!

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

Just heard about this poor exchange student from Pakistan who got killed in Texas. Ain't that a ######. I mean the fact that Texas is more dangerous and Pakistan? No ######, I heard that more kids have died in high schools this year than soldiers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

 

Woohoo! I'm leaving shiithole Pakistan! I'm safe! Blam blam blam!

 

and that shows you, everyone should be armed, it keeps our military alive

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

and that shows you, everyone should be armed, it keeps our military alive

America. The land constantly at war, yet its safer to be deployed abroad than in home ec class.

[penultimatestraw 473]

1. Complete ban on all guns except most shotguns, hunting rifles and some hand guns (think revolvers). I also like the registration of guns.

 

2. Every public high school must have an on duty person. (Police, Sheriff, ex military, ex.)

 

3. A hard look at children and social media. Facebook, Twitter, INSTAGRAM, etc need to be involved in a larger discussion with the public as it pertains to adolescents. Its a huge part of all this.

 

4. Medication. This tangent Im not sure about. I think the others play a larger role and this is a red herring. I mean, Id rather have bi polar and schizophrenic person talking to doctors than not. My gut feeling.

 

Just some random thoughts.

Also reasonable. Maybe this isn't so hard after all?

[Baker Boy 1,484]

And once again the real problem is ignored. These kids need to know that is it their constant bullying that is driving them over the edge. Today, with social media, it is a 24/7 attack on these kids and they feel their situation is hopeless. Call out these bullies and tell them it is their fault not the guns!

 

Sadly the Left is blaming the gun in an attempt to eventually disarm America.

 

 

In 2015 over 200 children under the age of 14 were killed by drunk drivers.

 

If gun control was the answer, Washington, D.C., and Chicago would be two of the safest cities in the country and Mexico would not have had 29,168 murders in 2017.

[Sho Nuff 719]

And once again the real problem is ignored. These kids need to know that is it their constant bullying that is driving them over the edge. Today, with social media, it is a 24/7 attack on these kids and they feel their situation is hopeless. Call out these bullies and tell them it is their fault not the guns!

 

Sadly the Left is blaming the gun in an attempt to eventually disarm America.

 

 

In 2015 over 200 children under the age of 14 were killed by drunk drivers.

 

If gun control was the answer, Washington, D.C., and Chicago would be two of the safest cities in the country and Mexico would not have had 29,168 murders in 2017.

Bullys ngbia not being ignored...its bwing talked about at every school. There are policies that get worked on and tweaked.

Its the latest deflection by the right so they dont have to discuss guns.

[5-Points 2,726]

Also reasonable. Maybe this isn't so hard after all?

A complete ban on all guns except shotguns, hunting rifles and revolvers is not reasonable. What is reasonable is holding people accountable for their actions instead of blaming 99.985% of gun owners for the illegal actions of a relative handful of sh!tbags.

[cbfalcon 824]

1. Complete ban on all guns except most shotguns, hunting rifles and some hand guns (think revolvers). I also like the registration of guns.

 

2. Every public high school must have an on duty person. (Police, Sheriff, ex military, ex.)

 

3. A hard look at children and social media. Facebook, Twitter, INSTAGRAM, etc need to be involved in a larger discussion with the public as it pertains to adolescents. Its a huge part of all this.

 

4. Medication. This tangent Im not sure about. I think the others play a larger role and this is a red herring. I mean, Id rather have bi polar and schizophrenic person talking to doctors than not. My gut feeling.

 

Just some random thoughts.

 

Good post. It attempts to address it from the gun side, at the schools themselves (I'd go ahead and add in the metal detectors), socially, and medically......I'd add in repercussions for adults if their children get a hold of their weapons....and suddenly we are in a good spot for discussion and a plan that while not eliminating all incidents, would undoubtedly help.

[wiffleball 4,639]

So, the bored pretty much called it.

 

The Sunday talking head shows were populated by folks like the TX Asst. Gubernor talking about how we need to 'harden' our schools and have nore more than one or two points of entrance/egress.

 

 

So, I'll see you guys in about 18 months when some school has gerry-rigged its doors to provide for exactly that.

 

Of course, odds are pretty really very much goodly that:

 

1) We'll be talking about how 23 children died of smoke inhalation and/or stampede whilst crushing for the one available door that leads from ___________ of the building to the outside.

 

----------------------------------------------------or------------------------------------------------------------

 

2) The 7 confirmed killed, 12 wounded, 5 of which are in life threatening condition at a local hospital who were shot whilst queuing up for the morning inspection of their see through backpacks and two forms of school and district-issued ID's.

 

________________________________or________________________________________

 

3) The Tragic loss of at least 19 educators and children who were trapped inside with a 'madman intent on killing' "who appears Holly, to have taken up a position at one of the only two, repeat TWO entrances and exits on this 8 acre facility." Unfortunately, rumour spread that the other entrance was rigged with explosives.... "I'm told now that a 3 block radius around the school is being evacuated and police are waiting for a an EOD, Explosives Ordinance Team from the National Guard facility some 65 miles from here, to clear the entrance point,, before First Responders can attempt to retrieve..."

 

___________________________________________

 

 

....Lawmakers are now pressing for legislation requiring a study to determine the feasibility of creating a working group to review the number and type of entrances and exits in both public and private schools.

 

Meanwhile, the NRA sends it's most sincere throughts and payers and remind us that "guns don't kill people, blocked doors, however..."

[Bert 1,091]

So, the bored pretty much called it.

 

The Sunday talking head shows were populated by folks like the TX Asst. Gubernor talking about how we need to 'harden' our schools and have nore more than one or two points of entrance/egress.

 

 

So, I'll see you guys in about 18 months when some school has gerry-rigged its doors to provide for exactly that.

 

Of course, odds are pretty really very much goodly that:

 

1) We'll be talking about how 23 children died of smoke inhalation and/or stampede whilst crushing for the one available door that leads from ___________ of the building to the outside.

 

----------------------------------------------------or------------------------------------------------------------

 

2) The 7 confirmed killed, 12 wounded, 5 of which are in life threatening condition at a local hospital who were shot whilst queuing up for the morning inspection of their see through backpacks and two forms of school and district-issued ID's.

 

________________________________or________________________________________

 

3) The Tragic loss of at least 19 educators and children who were trapped inside with a 'madman intent on killing' "who appears Holly, to have taken up a position at one of the only two, repeat TWO entrances and exits on this 8 acre facility." Unfortunately, rumour spread that the other entrance was rigged with explosives.... "I'm told now that a 3 block radius around the school is being evacuated and police are waiting for a an EOD, Explosives Ordinance Team from the National Guard facility some 65 miles from here, to clear the entrance point,, before First Responders can attempt to retrieve..."

 

___________________________________________

 

 

....Lawmakers are now pressing for legislation requiring a study to determine the feasibility of creating a working group to review the number and type of entrances and exits in both public and private schools.

 

Meanwhile, the NRA sends it's most sincere throughts and payers and remind us that "guns don't kill people, blocked doors, however..."

Yep! This is what happens when you raise puzzies.

 

Johnny gets a trophy for everything. He is the greatest person ever. We don't hit little Johnny that will destroy his confidence. Johnny doesn't fill out his drivers license application he is too busy so mommy does it for him. Johnny doesn't work he needs to focus on school besides we give him a small allowance to $1,500 a month. Johnny doesn't have problems in school because mommy and daddy lecture the teachers about how they should treat the most precious gift the world has ever seen.

 

Kid faces his first adversity when a chick rejected him and he losses his sh!t. But yeah it is the guns, the lack or security, global warming, big oil, big pharma...............

[cbfalcon 824]

And once again the real problem is ignored. These kids need to know that is it their constant bullying that is driving them over the edge. Today, with social media, it is a 24/7 attack on these kids and they feel their situation is hopeless. Call out these bullies and tell them it is their fault not the guns!

 

Sadly the Left is blaming the gun in an attempt to eventually disarm America.

 

 

 

What's to stop the Right from going on the offensive against bullies now? You think the snowflakes on the Left would fight that and stick up for the bullies? It seems more productive than the Right demanding the Left give up their beliefs, no?

 

It's as if both sides are more interested in winning the culture war in terms of how to prevent more school shootings than we are interested in actually preventing more school shootings.

[penultimatestraw 473]

A complete ban on all guns except shotguns, hunting rifles and revolvers is not reasonable. What is reasonable is holding people accountable for their actions instead of blaming 99.985% of gun owners for the illegal actions of a relative handful of sh!tbags.

I didn't suggest it, but understand what he was getting at. Limit gun ownership to stuff useful for hunting and self defense.

[patweisers44 697]

Bullys ngbia not being ignored...its bwing talked about at every school. There are policies that get worked on and tweaked.

Its the latest deflection by the right so they dont have to discuss guns.

I think the vast majority of those (who aren't in bed with the NRA) can look at this reasonably and even discuss it, right or left. I am a centrist, right leaning for the most part, that owns (legally) a shotgun and a hunting rifle, no handguns.

 

My .02

 

1)Enforce the laws already on the books

2)Make it more difficult to obtain guns (close loopholes, increase background checks, compile a database of ownership, etc)

3)Ban fully automatic weapons and accessories that accommodate that.

4)Make penalties for possession of illegal or stolen weapons harsher. Hell, make gun crime penalties harsher as well.

 

All that being said, the blame in these situations resides firmly with the actors. mental health is an issue that needs to be addressed in the country for more reasons than just school shootings, but toss that in there too.

[Bert 1,091]

I think the vast majority of those (who aren't in bed with the NRA) can look at this reasonably and even discuss it, right or left. I am a centrist, right leaning for the most part, that owns (legally) a shotgun and a hunting rifle, no handguns.

 

My .02

 

1)Enforce the laws already on the books

2)Make it more difficult to obtain guns (close loopholes, increase background checks, compile a database of ownership, etc)

3)Ban fully automatic weapons and accessories that accommodate that.

4)Make penalties for possession of illegal or stolen weapons harsher. Hell, make gun crime penalties harsher as well.

 

All that being said, the blame in these situations resides firmly with the actors. mental health is an issue that needs to be addressed in the country for more reasons than just school shootings, but toss that in there too.

[5-Points 2,726]

I didn't suggest it, but understand what he was getting at. Limit gun ownership to stuff useful for hunting and self defense.

I know it wasn't your suggestion, I didn't mean to imply that it was. Many people hunt with AR's. So that would put them in the (exempt) hunting rifle category, which is contrary to his intended result, I assume.

 

Reasonability is subjective.

[5-Points 2,726]

I think the vast majority of those (who aren't in bed with the NRA) can look at this reasonably and even discuss it, right or left. I am a centrist, right leaning for the most part, that owns (legally) a shotgun and a hunting rifle, no handguns.

 

My .02

 

1)Enforce the laws already on the books

2)Make it more difficult to obtain guns (close loopholes, increase background checks, compile a database of ownership, etc)

3)Ban fully automatic weapons and accessories that accommodate that.

4)Make penalties for possession of illegal or stolen weapons harsher. Hell, make gun crime penalties harsher as well.

 

All that being said, the blame in these situations resides firmly with the actors. mental health is an issue that needs to be addressed in the country for more reasons than just school shootings, but toss that in there too.

Now that sounds reasonable.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I think the vast majority of those (who aren't in bed with the NRA) can look at this reasonably and even discuss it, right or left. I am a centrist, right leaning for the most part, that owns (legally) a shotgun and a hunting rifle, no handguns.

 

My .02

 

1)Enforce the laws already on the books

2)Make it more difficult to obtain guns (close loopholes, increase background checks, compile a database of ownership, etc)

3)Ban fully automatic weapons and accessories that accommodate that.

4)Make penalties for possession of illegal or stolen weapons harsher. Hell, make gun crime penalties harsher as well.

 

All that being said, the blame in these situations resides firmly with the actors. mental health is an issue that needs to be addressed in the country for more reasons than just school shootings, but toss that in there too.

 

I agree that there are people willing to discuss. But they are drowned out right now by those unwilling to do so.

1) I agree...but I think the laws need to be refined top to bottom.

2) By #1, I mean things like you are adding in here...checks need to be universal. A big problem in government all over (and not just with guns) is there are too many systems that just don't or even can't communicate. So doing a check across many databases becomes nearly impossible. I ran into this doing work to determine if people delinquent on child support payments were being checked against their other licenses (TN state law was where people could not obtain hunting and fishing licenses or other licenses if they were a certain amount behind on child support....problem was that the child support database was not compatible with the TWRA database for hunting/fishing...or compatible with other licensing databases...none of them could efficiently communicate to really do a data match).

3) How bump stocks (and all variations or devices that make a semi-auto weapon basically full auto) were not immediately done away with already...or after Vegas...why? What is the purpose? Who is pushing to keep these legal?

4) Agreed. And lock up parents like the Antioch TN shooter who gave him his guns back. And part of the issue I have with that...is what good is an FBI/Law enforcement warning to not give the kid his guns back...there is no enforcement on this. How is there not a way to disable the weapons the kid owns until further evaluated...don't even have to take his guns...put a freaking trigger lock only the FBI can unlock type of thing. IF the kid gets re-approved to own the weapons again, they remove it.

5) Id add something about semi-auto rifles with high capacity mags (for new production/sales...not confiscating what is out there) and/or something about high capacity magazines. I don't have the exact language written...but have seen some elsewhere that should suffice. And don't allow manufacturers to make one cosmetic change to get around such a law. Capacity is a big thing...the more someone has to reload, we have seen that is enough to save lives (Gabby Giffords as an example...Antioch may have been more of a malfunction than reloading that gave Shaw a chance to step in).

 

You cannot stop gun violence...

Make it harder to do mass damage quickly.

In addition...there needs to be a focus on mental health in this country. Not only about gun violence but suicide and depression. I agree with you on that completely.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/alleged-santa-fe-hs-gunman-repeated-another-one-121304118--abc-news-topstories.html

 

kid was a psychopath, if not guns, it most certainly would have been something else

[MTSkiBum 1,594]

I do not think we can do anything to stop these mass shootings. I do not attribute them to an increase in mental health issues or medicine, nor do i attribute them to an increase in gun ownership. Although an increase in the number of semi-auto rifles has increased the lethality of mass shootings.

 

I think it is a copy cat mentality. I think now that these are in the news more it is giving the idea to other people that are mentally unstable to also take part in a mass shooting. Now that this copy-cat trend is in effect I am not sure there is anyway to stop it.

[tanatastic 2,061]

I do not think we can do anything to stop these mass shootings. I do not attribute them to an increase in mental health issues or medicine, nor do i attribute them to an increase in gun ownership. Although an increase in the number of semi-auto rifles has increased the lethality of mass shootings.

 

I think it is a copy cat mentality. I think now that these are in the news more it is giving the idea to other people that are mentally unstable to also take part in a mass shooting. Now that this copy-cat trend is in effect I am not sure there is anyway to stop it.

This is a huge part of it. There were stories that the Florida shooter gets showered with adoring letters from fans and women. Take these introverts who just want that kind of attention and you can see how a twisted mind would be drawn to it. They arent killing themselves anymore, the new cool thing is being captured.

 

Combine that with the trend of more guns being sold to panicked and paranoid people after every shooting and this is only gonna get worse.

[cbfalcon 824]

I do not think we can do anything to stop these mass shootings. I do not attribute them to an increase in mental health issues or medicine, nor do i attribute them to an increase in gun ownership. Although an increase in the number of semi-auto rifles has increased the lethality of mass shootings.

 

I think it is a copy cat mentality. I think now that these are in the news more it is giving the idea to other people that are mentally unstable to also take part in a mass shooting. Now that this copy-cat trend is in effect I am not sure there is anyway to stop it.

 

There is some legitimacy to this. I don't mean this to sound callous.....But before Columbine, these people just killed themselves. It's almost as if Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold showed them that there was another option that would hurt others as much as they felt they'd been hurt.

 

In the 33 years from 1966 (UT Sniper) until Columbine in 1999: 4 school shootings in which 5+ people were killed.

In the 19 years since Columbine: 12 school shootings in which 5+ people were killed.