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http://www.weei.com/blogs/john-tomase/report-steelers-limited-partners-want-mike-tomlin-fired

 

 

 

Patriots fans love to gloat when Steelers coach Mike Tomlin mismanages the clock, like he did in November's last-second loss to New England, and again in Sunday's shocking 45-42 defeat to the Jaguars in the playoffs.
It turns out some members of Steelers ownership have had enough.
According to a report in ProFootballTalk, the team's limited partners are so incensed over the loss to the Jaguars -- particularly the way the Steelers frittered away the final 47 seconds while needing two scores -- that they plan to lobby owner Art Rooney to fire Tomlin. Writes PFT:

 

"The limited partners, who became involved nearly a decade ago as member of the Rooney family sold their interest in the team after acquiring gaming interests that violate league policy, have no authority over the management of the team, but they have a pipeline to owner Art Rooney. Per the source, they plan to utilize it."

 

 

There's no sense that Rooney shares their desire, and as the story notes, the limited partners don't have a say in the day-to-day operation of the team. But after 11 seasons that have included two trips to the Super Bowl and a title in 2008, perhaps Tomlin's shortcomings are wearing thin on some of the men whose investment at least gives them an audience with the actual ownership.

 

 

 

Anyone that has said Tomlin is a good coach the past few seasons. :doh:

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Agreed. He is bad. With that kind of talent he shouldnt lose as much as he does in the playoffs

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I used to think he was pretty good because he was not opposed to putting 30 points up regardless of how much of a blowout it was but he just continually makes stupid decisions in the playoffs. Ben is 18-19 on 4th and one and you toss it back 5 yards to Bell against the Jags? Then you stupidly onside kick when everyone but you knows that the Jags are running the ball 3x and punting if they don't get a 1st down? Doesn't matter what they did the rest of the game, they are not passing the ball in that situation.

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the problem is... there is only 1 Great Coach... and very few (if any) "good" coaches.

 

it's Belichick all alone.

 

who else is a "good" Head Coach?

Sean McVay?

Mike McCarthy?

John Harbaugh?

Andy Reid?

Marvin Lewis?

Sean Payton?

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I liked his go-for-it attitude on 4th downs, but on the the two 4th and 1's he missed, those calls were terrible. I missed the ending of the first half, but I read there were some questions regarding clock management there too. What I found most egregious was his call for the onside kick with +2 remaining and 2 timeouts. I don't care what your defense has done to that point, that's a 5 to 1 gamble on recovery vs nearly automatic points for the other team. That was awful.

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the problem is... there is only 1 Great Coach... and very few (if any) "good" coaches.

 

it's Belichick all alone.

 

who else is a "good" Head Coach?

 

Andy Reid?

Dumbass had the NFL rushing leader who has also now been voted Rookie Of The Year by Pro Football Writers of America and he touches the ball 6 times in the 2nd half which started with a 21-3 Chiefs lead.

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nzoner... you're making my point.

 

NFL coaches are TERRIBLE.

sure Tomlin is flawed... but he's par for the league.

 

IMO, the search for a Head Coach is tougher than the search for a starting QB - plenty of guys are good or even great NFL QBs... notsomuch for Head Coaches.

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Dumbass had the NFL rushing leader who has also now been voted Rookie Of The Year by Pro Football Writers of America and he touches the ball 6 times in the 2nd half which started with a 21-3 Chiefs lead.

Both Andy Reid and Tomlin dont utilize their strongest weapons effectively. Like you said, Reid had one of the best backs in the game this year and doesnt give him the rock hardly at all. Tomlin has the best receiver, a top 3 back who can catch and run, competent QB, and yet he still fails to do more than a one and done in the playoffs. Both teams have the talent but have idiots for coaches

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All owners should have a stats guy to tell the coaches how to handle the clock as well as things like when to go for it on 4th down. The first coach that hires a stats guy and actually listens to him will gain a huge edge on the other knucklehead coaches in the league. There's so much bad in those situations, it's incredible.

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The first coach that hires a stats guy and actually listens to him will gain a huge edge incredible.

Ernie Adams - New England Patriots behind the scenes secret weapon

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All owners should have a stats guy to tell the coaches how to handle the clock as well as things like when to go for it on 4th down. The first coach that hires a stats guy and actually listens to him will gain a huge edge on the other knucklehead coaches in the league. There's so much bad in those situations, it's incredible.

You mean someone to say, 'Hey idiot, Big Ben is 18-19 on 4th & 1 conversions'? 'Hey idiot, the Jags are gonna run it 3x, so kick off.'

 

You are right.

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Ernie Adams - New England Patriots behind the scenes secret weapon

Yeah... Bill is still pretty bad about listening to his guy though. He's definitely one of the top people when it comes to those situations but I think that 4th down against the Colts however many years ago either made him gun shy or he was told to never do it again.

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It was a few years ago but I remember reading on an old poker degen forum (maybe 2+2) where someone figured out that if a coach played the clock/4th downs correctly every time, they'd gain like a 1.3 win/year edge over the NFL average at the time.

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All owners should have a stats guy to tell the coaches how to handle the clock as well as things like when to go for it on 4th down. The first coach that hires a stats guy and actually listens to him will gain a huge edge on the other knucklehead coaches in the league. There's so much bad in those situations, it's incredible.

The Eagles at least have a guy who does crunch those numbers and its a big reason Doug Pederson was aggressive about going for it on 4th downs this year. Most teams are more conservative than they should be according to the #s.

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Anyone who thinks that it's just a good strategy to go for it on all or most fourth and ones just doesn't get it. The game you are playing that day determines that, not some stat. Field posistion, score, opponent and your own teams ability is the determining factor in that call, not some stat. Same crew that says always go for two, because the odds say so. Really? Meathead Tomlin tried that a few years ago. Wonder why he stopped.

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Wait it's tomlin's fault that he had a quarterback that wasn't sure if he should retire or not? It's tomlin's fault he has a running back that said he would sit out next year before they play the Jaguars? It's his fault he had a wide receiver that bailed on him because he wasn't playing enough? It's his fault James Harrison didn't stay loyal despite not being very good anymore?

 

They have had nothing but distraction after distraction this year none of which was caused by Tomlin

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Wait it's tomlin's fault that he had a quarterback that wasn't sure if he should retire or not? It's tomlin's fault he has a running back that said he would sit out next year before they play the Jaguars? It's his fault he had a wide receiver that bailed on him because he wasn't playing enough? It's his fault James Harrison didn't stay loyal despite not being very good anymore?

 

They have had nothing but distraction after distraction this year none of which was caused by Tomlin

Except that the coach sets the tone for that locker room and those actions. If you allow it, you are coaching it. He coaches poor preparation, distractions and a "me first" attitude for that team.

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Except that the coach sets the tone for that locker room and those actions. If you allow it, you are coaching it. He coaches poor preparation, distractions and a "me first" attitude for that team.

I could buy that if the people that were doing those things and saying those things were not veterans.

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I could buy that if the people that were doing those things and saying those things were not veterans.

 

How long has Tomlin been there? He has always been a "players' coach" and that act can wear thin on guys as they get a little too comfortable. What coach allows James Harrison to be asleep in a team meeting? Martavis Bryant's tweets?

 

Come on. This guy is soft on his players, has a ton of talent and has no concept of game management. You could probably have had a cardboard cut-out of Cowher out there and be in better shape than with Tomlin.

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Except that the coach sets the tone for that locker room and those actions. If you allow it, you are coaching it. He coaches poor preparation, distractions and a "me first" attitude for that team.

Can you imagine a Patriot standing outside another team's locker room talking sh!t right before a game? Bill would tear his nuts out by the roots.

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Can you imagine a Patriot standing outside another team's locker room talking sh!t right before a game? Bill would tear his nuts out by the roots.

 

The fact is, several coaches and a dozen players would get to that player long before Bill did and it would be handled.

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How long has Tomlin been there? He has always been a "players' coach" and that act can wear thin on guys as they get a little too comfortable. What coach allows James Harrison to be asleep in a team meeting? Martavis Bryant's tweets?

 

Come on. This guy is soft on his players, has a ton of talent and has no concept of game management. You could probably have had a cardboard cut-out of Cowher out there and be in better shape than with Tomlin.

 

Can a cardboard cutout do this:

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Mike-Tomlin-Interferes-With-Potential-Touchdown/c3f47606-c8d3-4dfd-9f0a-26a55a610d20

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I also loved this little gem.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/16/big-ben-says-hes-not-allowed-to-check-to-a-fourth-and-1-quarterback-sneak/

 

 

In Sunday’s loss to the Jaguars, the Steelers twice got stopped on fourth-and-1. On both plays, there appeared to be room in the middle of the line for Ben Roethlisberger to run a quarterback sneak for a yard. So why didn’t he?

Roethlisberger says he isn’t allowed to check out of the play that offensive coordinator Todd Haley calls and go to a quarterback sneak instead, even if he can see by the way the defense lines up that he’ll get the first down.

 

On his radio show this morning, Roethlisberger said it’s head coach Mike Tomlin’s call not to give him the freedom to audible at the line of scrimmage to a quarterback sneak.

“I have asked for it. I am fine with it. If they want to call it, I’m all for it,” Roethlisberger said, via Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL Network.

 

What? :huh:

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Tomlin should have lost everyone when he made a war veteran apologize for respecting the anthem. Good riddance.

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That's ridiculous.

 

Well, its not like Ben is a top 10 QB with a couple of SB titles. He is just some rookie who needs to have his hand held on audibles at the line. :lol:

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Well, Brady did talk a little shite once.

 

So did Welker and others have done things as well. Some guys even had the nerve to show up late in the middle of a snow storm. Didn't become a problem as it was dealt with.

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11 seasons.....

 

NEVER had a losing season. How is that even possible?

8 playoff appearances. Good lord!

3 AFC championship games

2 SuperBowl games

1 SuperBowl win

 

What a bum. Go Dolphins!

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Well, Brady did talk a little shite once.

 

He did. And they paid. Notice it hasn't happened since.

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So did Welker and others have done things as well. Some guys even had the nerve to show up late in the middle of a snow storm. Didn't become a problem as it was dealt with.

True

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11 seasons.....

 

NEVER had a losing season. How is that even possible?

8 playoff appearances. Good lord!

3 AFC championship games

2 SuperBowl games

1 SuperBowl win

 

What a bum. Go Dolphins!

The only Patriots that would start for the Steelers, skill posistions, are Brady and Gronk. Yet the Pats own them every time. If it's not the coach then what is it? It's not like the drop off from Brady to Ben is huge either. Gronk is abnormal.

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Wait it's tomlin's fault that he had a quarterback that wasn't sure if he should retire or not? It's tomlin's fault he has a running back that said he would sit out next year before they play the Jaguars? It's his fault he had a wide receiver that bailed on him because he wasn't playing enough? It's his fault James Harrison didn't stay loyal despite not being very good anymore?

They have had nothing but distraction after distraction this year none of which was caused by Tomlin

I have to disagree with you in the sense that players are emboldened to become distractions in the manner that you cite several Steelers players have willfully done if and only if they work for an organization which doesn't handle outbursts well. That doesn't necessarily start with the coach, but it is enforced as a culture by the coach.

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Wait it's tomlin's fault that he had a quarterback that wasn't sure if he should retire or not? It's tomlin's fault he has a running back that said he would sit out next year before they play the Jaguars? It's his fault he had a wide receiver that bailed on him because he wasn't playing enough? It's his fault James Harrison didn't stay loyal despite not being very good anymore?

 

They have had nothing but distraction after distraction this year none of which was caused by Tomlin

Not following you. Everything you mentioned is the exact things coaches are supposed to control. How about antonio brown taking selfies or whatever after thr divisional game last year while Tomlin was addressing the team? Great example of not having any control over you4 lockeroom.

 

Tomlin tried to trip a guy on the opposing team during a play. That is all you need to know.

 

Tomblin is a better cheerleader than coach.

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So did Welker and others have done things as well. Some guys even had the nerve to show up late in the middle of a snow storm. Didn't become a problem as it was dealt with.

 

Welker said feet jokes and was benched to start a playoff game (that they lost)

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11 seasons.....

 

NEVER had a losing season. How is that even possible?

They play Cleveland and Cincinnati four times a year... Shouldn't be too difficult to get four more wins out of 12...

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They play Cleveland and Cincinnati four times a year... Shouldn't be too difficult to get four more wins out of 12...

The AFC has been top heavy for years. 4 gimmes vs your division and 5 more against the AFC is 9. Nothing more needed.

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