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#361 weepaws

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:40 AM

Great points Cruzer.

But what team in today’s nfl as a dominant defense.

It’s how today’s nfl is played.

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#362 Cruzer

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:51 AM

Great points Cruzer.

But what team in today’s nfl as a dominant defense.

It’s how today’s nfl is played.

Thanks.

Dominant in terms of like Steel Curtain, Doomsday, 85' Bears? Um, might be right on that.

 

But the patchwork, half ass, get by approach to defense does not work - and it's the philosophy Dallas has adopted for 23 years now..... Back when we won those 3 SBs with Jimmy - everybody remembers the Triplets.. But what they don't remember is that Dallas ranked 2nd, 3rd and 5th in the league in total defense those years... The clowns running this team seem to think offense and keep-away is the way to stop other teams..... Um, it's not.

 

Jax, Minny and Philly all played in the Championship rounds last year, all 3 were ranked defensively in the top 5 - that wasn't a coincidence.



#363 weepaws

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:47 PM

Purple people eaters all off them gone.

Last season the Cowboys def ranked 10th.

They defense out ranked 7 of the 12 playoff teams.

And the 12 playoff teams avg ranking was 13th.

And let’s not forget, the Patriots made the Super Bowl with a def ranked 29th, and that was the worst ranked def too make the playoffs.

And I can’t say of the top ranked def last season where dominate def like in the pass.

Today’s game is simply, control the ball score and hope for a few stops, or in must cases mistakes from the other team.

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#364 Cruzer

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:43 AM

Last season the Cowboys def ranked 10th.

They defense out ranked 7 of the 12 playoff teams.

And the 12 playoff teams avg ranking was 13th.
 

I'm a big stat guy... But the one thing I might believe in even more than that is - the Eye Test.

 

The Kool-Aid crowd around here is quick to point out many of the defensive #'s you provided.. And bcoz of those #'s they settle into their comfort zone and just assume the Defense is solid, totally shifting their attention and draft focus towards the offense. Can't tell you how many homer clowns wanted to draft a WR in the 1st round - it made me crazy.

 

Dallas' defensive #''s, while look good on paper - don't pass the eye test. Much of the padding and stats came at the end of the season, against pigs.. When it came time to nut up against real teams - they sucked.

 

* Last 5 games of the season Dallas blew thru: Wash, NYG, Oak, Sea, and a Philly team that sat everybody but the water boy.............all pigs.

* Games against playoff/good teams, Dallas gave up: 35 to the Rams, 42 to the Broncs, 35 to GB, 27 to the Falcons, and 28 to SD.

* Dallas blew 2nd half home leads to: Rams, Packers and Seahawks.

 

Don't be fooled by the #'s - this defense is not what they suggest. I watch every game we play, often twice - this unit needs a lot of help still if it's going to play games in late January/Feb.



#365 weepaws

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:38 AM

I'm a big stat guy... But the one thing I might believe in even more than that is - the Eye Test.
 
The Kool-Aid crowd around here is quick to point out many of the defensive #'s you provided.. And bcoz of those #'s they settle into their comfort zone and just assume the Defense is solid, totally shifting their attention and draft focus towards the offense. Can't tell you how many homer clowns wanted to draft a WR in the 1st round - it made me crazy.
 
Dallas' defensive #''s, while look good on paper - don't pass the eye test. Much of the padding and stats came at the end of the season, against pigs.. When it came time to nut up against real teams - they sucked.
 
* Last 5 games of the season Dallas blew thru: Wash, NYG, Oak, Sea, and a Philly team that sat everybody but the water boy.............all pigs.
* Games against playoff/good teams, Dallas gave up: 35 to the Rams, 42 to the Broncs, 35 to GB, 27 to the Falcons, and 28 to SD.
* Dallas blew 2nd half home leads to: Rams, Packers and Seahawks.
 
Don't be fooled by the #'s - this defense is not what they suggest. I watch every game we play, often twice - this unit needs a lot of help still if it's going to play games in late January/Feb.


Lol I don’t disageee.

The eye test does indeed tell a bigger story offten times.

Expecally when it’s a team that You’re a fan off.

Stats are great, but sometimes they don’t tell the whole story.

And that was my point about the stats.

There where some teams that where pointed out like the Jags Vikings and Eagles that where great on paper, but a team like the Patriots there where not, and yet they made the super bowl.

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Todays Proverbs 25 Todays Psalm 12. God Bless.

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Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
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#366 thePRO

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:49 PM

I thought Philly played the starters a half and our defense looked really good. Either way, that was a small exception...our defense simply blows.


Wilson

Elliott, Forte

Montgomery, Powell, McFadden

Brown, Parker

Green, D. Jackson

Matthews

Walker

Patriots DST

Vinatieri


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:23 AM

I just don't care for their roster.

Unless Dak totally takes 3 steps forward I dont see this team as much more than middling.

#368 Cruzer

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:33 AM

I just now heard T.O.'s comments on Garrett... Holy cow does he blasts his ass - and rightfully so... Say what you will about Owens - he nailed it on Red.



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:44 PM

I just now heard T.O.'s comments on Garrett... Holy cow does he blasts his ass - and rightfully so... Say what you will about Owens - he nailed it on Red.

 

yeah, for once, i agreed with owens.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:28 AM

I just don't care for their roster.

Unless Dak totally takes 3 steps forward I dont see this team as much more than middling.


I agree. They should have the best online in football and they have zeke.

The defense isnt very good, the qb is average, and they have absolutely nothing at WR.

Seems like their going to see a lot of eight and nine man boxes daring dak to beat them. And with the lack of weapons at his disposal, I dont see that happening on a regular basis.

Jerry is an absolute sh!t GM. Until that changes, I dont see them making a great deal of progress.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 11:51 AM

Terrance (aka T-Flub, T-Dud) Williams. :lol:

 

My disdain for this ass clown is long chronicled, well documented here. So with his latest blunder - what does this mean for Dallas? He almost certainly gets suspended, although I guess he could tie this up with appeals for a while... He's on the book thru 2020, with a potential Dead Money hit of $7.25m this year, $2.5m in 2019, $1.5m in 2020.... I don't see how Jerry cuts bait now, not for a $7m hit this year - but bet the farm his ass is gone in 2019.

 

I know of the risks of playing rookies, but I'd love to see Gallup get a shot... At the very least with a significant role if not starter altogether... And I look for a WR to be taken in the 1st round next year - that I can maybe live with.



#372 weepaws

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 11:58 AM

Would agree.

Gallop should be given the opportunity.

I think he could be their wr1.

It’s a tough postion for the Cowboys.
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Todays Proverbs 25 Todays Psalm 12. God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 01:12 PM

Terrance (aka T-Flub, T-Dud) Williams.  :lol:

 

My disdain for this ass clown is long chronicled, well documented here. So with his latest blunder - what does this mean for Dallas? He almost certainly gets suspended, although I guess he could tie this up with appeals for a while... He's on the book thru 2020, with a potential Dead Money hit of $7.25m this year, $2.5m in 2019, $1.5m in 2020.... I don't see how Jerry cuts bait now, not for a $7m hit this year - but bet the farm his ass is gone in 2019.

 

I know of the risks of playing rookies, but I'd love to see Gallup get a shot... At the very least with a significant role if not starter altogether... And I look for a WR to be taken in the 1st round next year - that I can maybe live with.

 

well, thornton got cut last season despite having an fully guaranteed salary, and dez's dead money number this season is far worse than it would have been next year.  i forget who came up with this metaphor, but recently DAL is ripping off the band-aid.  in addition, i believe that if he is suspended, all guaranteed money gets voided.

 

long story short, it's a really crowded WR room (10 under contract) with a new coach and a bunch of new talent.  i'd say there's definitely a chance that he's gone.