Phil Simms 11 127 Posted November 16, 2018 Jerry says NO to Eli https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jerry-rice-says-the-pro-football-hall-of-fame-needs-to-leave-out-eli-manning/ Eli Manning hasn't even retired yet, but there's already plenty of debate about whether or not the Giants quarterback belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Although multiple players who are currently in the Hall of Fame believe that Manning will join them one day, Jerry Rice thinks Manning should be left out of Canton. I think other HOFers seem to support him though https://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/02/is_giants_eli_manning_canton-bound_hall_of_famers.html Anyone here have thoughts on Eli? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 402 Posted November 16, 2018 I think he gets in if for no other reason than he played in NY and won 2 rings, emphasis on played in NY. I say he should get in eventually, but not first ballot. Both title runs were amazing, not your ordinary run of the mill championships. He was the architect of the greatest upset in NFL history, that counts for something. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted November 16, 2018 QBs with multi rings always make the hall. That precedent is unwavering. Many of them weren't in the top 5 of their era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Simms 11 127 Posted November 16, 2018 For me it is an easy yes, two incredible SB runs make it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted November 16, 2018 Did Jerry Rice say no to ELI when he was in his prime? Its easy to pick on any of these QB's at the end of their careers when their are a shell of themselves and knock them down. Had he made these pronouncments in 2013 I would have actually respected it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted November 16, 2018 2 rings, huge plays by him to win those rings, comparable numbers. It also matters who you beat on the path to winning those rings. He's getting in, you can debate it but, you're wasting your breath. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark32esu 18 Posted November 16, 2018 Do I think he's a HOF level qb? No. Absolutley not. Not even top 10 in his era. Will he get in? Yes, thanks to his defensive lines for winning him 2 super bowls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted November 16, 2018 I’ll say it for like the 5th time. 2 rings and top 10 in passing gets you in regardless of wether you are a hof level QB. Maybe not first ballot, but he gets in. Warner had 3 good seasons and was utter crap the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted November 16, 2018 I’ll say it for like the 5th time. 2 rings and top 10 in passing gets you in regardless of wether you are a hof level QB. Maybe not first ballot, but he gets in. Warner had 3 good seasons and was utter crap the rest. Heck, Joe Namath is in the HOF. Why not Manning? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirensong 111 Posted November 16, 2018 he was present when the giants defense won 2 rings, and even made a couple of quality throws along the way. but it ain't the hall of skill--he's making it in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted November 16, 2018 I think he gets in if for no other reason than he played in NY and won 2 rings, emphasis on played in NY. I say he should get in eventually, but not first ballot. Both title runs were amazing, not your ordinary run of the mill championships. He was the architect of the greatest upset in NFL history, that counts for something. NY is over represented in the HOF? Nonsense. It took Harry Carson forever to get in. Just as good if not better than Singletary, who got in right off the bat. Many of us think Carl Banks deserves the call. A big part of the best defense of his era. And then there's Bavaro, the original Gronk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted November 16, 2018 NY is over represented in the HOF? Nonsense. It took Harry Carson forever to get in. Just as good if not better than Singletary, who got in right off the bat. Many of us think Carl Banks deserves the call. A big part of the best defense of his era. And then there's Bavaro, the original Gronk. Yeah, and then they rename it to the Hall of Futility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted November 16, 2018 Yeah, and then they rename it to the Hall of Futility. ? You never saw football when it wasn't Pattycake. The problem with fantasy football is it brought all the nerds like you into football and you think because you can regurgitate stats you know something. You don't. And anyone who doesn't think Troy Aikman is a HOF QB fits that bill perfectly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gitrdun 16 Posted November 16, 2018 I agree with Rice. His 2 rings were with I believe 9-7 teams. He had a couple of runs but not HOF worthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted November 16, 2018 Ill say it for like the 5th time. 2 rings and top 10 in passing gets you in regardless of wether you are a hof level QB. Maybe not first ballot, but he gets in. Warner had 3 good seasons and was utter crap the rest. Woah!!!!! Warner had good seasons. No. No. He had 3 HOF seasons. And Eli warned his way in. Hes sucks now but he shouldve retired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted November 16, 2018 I agree with Rice. His 2 rings were with I believe 9-7 teams. He had a couple of runs but not HOF worthy. No Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted November 16, 2018 Heck, Joe Namath is in the HOF. Why not Manning? No seriously, has anyone ever stopped and looked at Namaths numbers? Hes the precedent. Any QB thats iffy or on the fence, just remember Namath is in. Eli is probably currently better than Namath ever was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted November 16, 2018 Namath career high in TDs - 26, but he also threw 28 interceptions that year. Career 50% completion rating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted November 16, 2018 No seriously, has anyone ever stopped and looked at Namaths numbers? Hes the precedent. Any QB thats iffy or on the fence, just remember Namath is in. Eli is probably currently better than Namath ever was. Yep. Allow anyone in. I agree. The Hall of Futile is just what it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gitrdun 16 Posted November 16, 2018 Bradshaw threw more interceptions than touchdowns and completed 52% of his passes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted November 16, 2018 It was a different league back then is the argument but then I also argue the talent of the QB position is different too. I think Eli would have dominated had he played during Namaths time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted November 17, 2018 No seriously, has anyone ever stopped and looked at Namaths numbers? Hes the precedent. Any QB thats iffy or on the fence, just remember Namath is in. Eli is probably currently better than Namath ever was. I posted his numbers the other day. Guy played 12 years, in only 2 of them he threw more tds than ints. He is famous for one game, one game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted November 17, 2018 I posted his numbers the other day. Guy played 12 years, in only 2 of them he threw more tds than ints. He is famous for one game, one game! He is more famous for his panty hose commercials. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted November 17, 2018 And trying to kiss Suzy Kolber on MNF. I will never forget how awkward I felt watching that live. Cringe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaxjag 43 Posted November 17, 2018 I agree with Rice. His 2 rings were with I believe 9-7 teams. He had a couple of runs but not HOF worthy. And will likely finish below .500 and with zero other play-off appearances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted November 17, 2018 2 rings, huge plays by him to win those rings, comparable numbers. It also matters who you beat on the path to winning those rings. He's getting in, you can debate it but, you're wasting your breath. Yep. And everyone who made a big play in those games should be in the HOF. Tyree should be in for sure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted November 17, 2018 He’s going to make it into the HOF. But it won’t change my life if or if not. It has nothing to do with me. But I do think he will make it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted November 17, 2018 Hes going to make it into the HOF. But it wont change my life if or if not. It has nothing to do with me. But I do think he will make it. Wow. That is incredible. Thank you so much for that typical crap you spew. Thank you Jesus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franknbeans 46 Posted November 17, 2018 Bradshaw threw more interceptions than touchdowns and completed 52% of his passes. Close but not quite. 212 TD, 210 Int Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted November 17, 2018 And will likely finish below .500 and with zero other play-off appearances. Eli made the playoffs in 2005,2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2016. Won ten games in 2010 and didn't get in. He had one of the better 7 year runs in NFL History. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted November 17, 2018 I agree with Rice. His 2 rings were with I believe 9-7 teams. He had a couple of runs but not HOF worthy. He had a ten win season and didn't make the playoffs. What's your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gitrdun 16 Posted November 17, 2018 Not good enough to be in the HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted November 17, 2018 Yep. And everyone who made a big play in those games should be in the HOF. Tyree should be in for sure! Tyree has comparable HoF numbers? Dumb. Numbers and the rings. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted November 17, 2018 Not good enough to be in the HOF. He is going to be voted in to the HOF, so in reality it is good enough, at least to the only people that matter, those who are responsible for voting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted November 17, 2018 Tyree has comparable HoF numbers? Dumb. Numbers and the rings. HTH You are correct, Just about everything Seafoam posts is dumb... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimaveli 119 Posted November 17, 2018 It is not the hall of If your floor is terrible, you cant get in. 2 SB rings. And he got them by beating the Pats. He is in already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaChup 154 Posted November 17, 2018 No seriously, has anyone ever stopped and looked at Namaths numbers? Hes the precedent. Any QB thats iffy or on the fence, just remember Namath is in. Eli is probably currently better than Namath ever was. Namath got in because of his fur coat. Let's not kid ourselves. That thing was legit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted November 17, 2018 Namath got in because of his fur coat. Let's not kid ourselves. That thing was legit! Hard to disagree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted November 17, 2018 It is not the hall of If your floor is terrible, you cant get in. 2 SB rings. And he got them by beating the Pats. He is in already. Manning's floor isn't terrible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGiantJets 18 Posted November 17, 2018 Hes a hall of famah. Hes got two rings and he plays in New Jersey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites