Trump either lies, or he is this dumb

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/12/27/in-iraq-visit-trump-makes-false-claim-about-military-pay-again/

 

 

WASHINGTON President Donald Trumps visit to Iraq this week brought with it another round of controversy surrounding White House claims about military pay, as the commander in chief again incorrectly claimed he provided the troops with their first raise in more than a decade.

 

You havent gotten one in more than 10 years. More than 10 years! he told a crowd of applauding service members during his remarks at Al Asad Air Base in Iraq on Wednesday. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one.

 

Trump has repeatedly claimed that troops hadnt seen a pay raise during President Barack Obamas time in the White House. In fact, troops have seen a pay raise of at least 1 percent every year for more than 30 years.

 

How do past military pay increases compare to whats being proposed for 2019?

 

President Trump earlier this month called for a 2.6 percent pay increase for fiscal 2019 as part of his budget request to Congress.

 

By: Ken Chamberlain

 

The president also appeared to claim he pushed for a 10 percent pay raise in 2019, even though the actual rate his administration publicly supported and eventually got approved was only 2.6 percent.

 

[People said] we could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent," he told the troops. I said, No, make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent. Because its been a long time. Its been more than 10 years. Thats a long time.

 

The 2018 military pay raise, approved in Trumps first year in office, was 2.4 percent. It was the largest the military had seen in eight years, but followed a federal formula matching the expected rise in civilian sector wages for the year.

 

In some cases over the last 10 years, the annual military pay hikes have been lower than those comparable salaries, leading to a gap in the wages of troops and their non-military peers. But military pay has increased annually every year dating back to the early days of President Ronald Reagans administration.

 

Trump also claimed he had to fight for the higher pay raises, despite the fact that they passed with bipartisan support in both the House and Senate.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

Hats off to the CIC fo getting the troops a raise! They deserve it.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Hats off to the CIC fo getting the troops a raise! They deserve it.

He lied about troops not getting a raise in a decade, and he lied about the amount they will be receiving

[Herbivore 904]

its both

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

He lied about troops not getting a raise in a decade, and he lied about the amount they will be receiving

Lied. Lol.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Lied. Lol.

Or he is that dumb. There is no other way to call it

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

Or he is that dumb. There is no other way to call it

Here's the deal: people not looking to be outraged got the point he was making. And most importantly, members of our military understood. If you can get a good number of them showing outrage let us know. But if it's MSNBC, CNN and you and MDC i'll pass. HTH.

[Gladiators 1,900]

I didnt read the article or do any research, but Ill just say that he lied if it makes you feel better. Hope you can rest easier tonight.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Here's the deal: people not looking to be outraged got the point he was making. And most importantly, members of our military understood. If you can get a good number of them showing outrage let us know. But if it's MSNBC, CNN and you and MDC i'll pass. HTH.

Im not outraged. Nor was I looking for outrage. I'm just pointing out blatant lies or out right incompetence.

[Gladiators 1,900]

Im not outraged. Nor was I looking for outrage. I'm just pointing out blatant lies or out right incompetence.

So are you telling us he is now officially a politician?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Here is a good article that has some points to explain both what he does and how people on both sides react.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trumps-presidency-has-changed-washington-defied-convention/ar-BBRtzES?ocid=spartanntp

 

The reality is that none of his followers care whether he lies and they will still believe everything he says. His critics will never believe him even when he tells the truth. It is really a -show that no one can trust the Office of the President's word. However, his followers are just happy with the things that they like that he has done.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

Here is a good article that has some points to explain both what he does and how people on both sides react.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trumps-presidency-has-changed-washington-defied-convention/ar-BBRtzES?ocid=spartanntp

 

The reality is that none of his followers care whether he lies and they will still believe everything he says. His critics will never believe him even when he tells the truth. It is really a ######-show that no one can trust the Office of the President's word. However, his followers are just happy with the things that they like that he has done.

I'd chalk it up to big picture vs nit picking. When he tells a lie worth a damn (Benghazi, keep your doctor, private e-mail server etc.) let us know.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I'd chalk it up to big picture vs nit picking. When he tells a lie worth a damn (Benghazi, keep your doctor, private e-mail server etc.) let us know.

 

He has them in volume. The reality is that no one should trust a single thing he says or tweets. He has at least 5,000 documented falsehoods in his time in office so far.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

 

He has them in volume. The reality is that no one should trust a single thing he says or tweets.

No, no one should pay attention to most of it.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

No, no one should pay attention to most of it.

Glad we agree he lied about it

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

Glad we agree he lied about it

You guys are like NFL refs that throw a flag on every play.

[MDC 5,875]

RMFF.

[tanatastic 2,061]

They get a raise every year, maybe he just meant that it was the biggest raise in 10 years.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

They get a raise every year, maybe he just meant that it was the biggest raise in 10 years.

Yes. But but Don Lemon.....

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

They get a raise every year, maybe he just meant that it was the biggest raise in 10 years.

 

If you read what he said and tweeted (multiple times), it is clear that he is either lying or clueless. Just read the article from the Military Times in the OP. It is pretty clear what he meant.

[TBayXXXVII 2,105]

Here is a good article that has some points to explain both what he does and how people on both sides react.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trumps-presidency-has-changed-washington-defied-convention/ar-BBRtzES?ocid=spartanntp

 

The reality is that none of his followers care whether he lies and they will still believe everything he says. His critics will never believe him even when he tells the truth. It is really a ######-show that no one can trust the Office of the President's word. However, his followers are just happy with the things that they like that he has done.

 

I'm not going to bother to read the line, at this point in time - the left wing media has nothing to say worth listening too, but a significant majority of the people that voted for Trump and will again, don't believe everything he says. Most of us don't care about "what he says", we care about what he "does". So, if your msn link says that "his followers care whether he lies and they will still believe everything he says", then that's just another bullcrap statement made up by the left wing media and why no reasonable person should care about what they say.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Obama lies for years too. Same with Hillary. Theres were worse for the American people.

 

Either way, I think hes just that ignorant as to not know military members get a raise every year. At least the raises now are bigger than they were

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

I'm not going to bother to read the line, at this point in time - the left wing media has nothing to say worth listening too, but a significant majority of the people that voted for Trump and will again, don't believe everything he says. Most of us don't care about "what he says", we care about what he "does". So, if your msn link says that "his followers care whether he lies and they will still believe everything he says", then that's just another bullcrap statement made up by the left wing media and why no reasonable person should care about what they say.

 

Thank you for proving my point. No one should care with the left wing media says and no one should take Trump serious in what he says. Perfect Storm.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

I'm not going to bother to read the line, at this point in time - the left wing media has nothing to say worth listening too, but a significant majority of the people that voted for Trump and will again, don't believe everything he says. Most of us don't care about "what he says", we care about what he "does". So, if your msn link says that "his followers care whether he lies and they will still believe everything he says", then that's just another bullcrap statement made up by the left wing media and why no reasonable person should care about what they say.

well said

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,492]

Did all the liberals clutch their pearls while they were reading this?

[jerryskids 5,165]

The 2018 military pay raise, approved in Trumps first year in office, was 2.4 percent. It was the largest the military had seen in eight years, but followed a federal formula matching the expected rise in civilian sector wages for the year.

 

In some cases over the last 10 years, the annual military pay hikes have been lower than those comparable salaries, leading to a gap in the wages of troops and their non-military peers. But military pay has increased annually every year dating back to the early days of President Ronald Reagans administration.

 

 

So which is it? The first paragraph states that the wage increases are based on a set calculation and also implies that wages were better under Trump than they ever were under Obama.

 

But then the next paragraph says that sometimes the increases were lower than the formula, implying that Obama intentionally reduced the increases.

 

This article reads like a hack hit piece.

[TBayXXXVII 2,105]

 

Thank you for proving my point. No one should care with the left wing media says and no one should take Trump serious in what he says. Perfect Storm.

 

The reason why no one should care about what the left wing media says is because they make agendas up, lie on purpose, put out faulty information on purpose, and then call non-liberals names because they don't agree with the media. This has been happening for decades, not just 2-3 years.

[MDC 5,875]

 

So which is it? The first paragraph states that the wage increases are based on a set calculation and also implies that wages were better under Trump than they ever were under Obama.

 

But then the next paragraph says that sometimes the increases were lower than the formula, implying that Obama intentionally reduced the increases.

 

This article reads like a hack hit piece.

Military Times is a classic left wing MSM hit rag.

[drobeski 3,061]

Triggered !

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,492]

Military Times is a classic left wing MSM hit rag.

 

Actually, i have no idea why type of mag it is. Do you have any links that can shed some light on their bias?

[wiffleball 4,631]

I've said this before and Trump has repeatedly born this out. He's like a five-year-old. Even when he tells the truth, he has to make up this fiction around it for whatever reason. I'm not a psychologist, but you see this with some little kids who don't get enough attention and/or fit in with others

 

Truth: I got an A on my art project.

 

Trumpth: in fact, mrs. Bump wyler said it was the best art project she had ever seen in her whole life! And just about that time, the president of the museum came by and he said so too! And he wants to put it on display in Washington! But I said no because I want to keep it here for you Daddy.

 

 

Time and time again he pulls shiit like this. How many times has he followed up a statement with "you know, a lot of people say..."

 

"I have the biggest brain!"

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

The reason why no one should care about what the left wing media says is because they make agendas up, lie on purpose, put out faulty information on purpose, and then call non-liberals names because they don't agree with the media. This has been happening for decades, not just 2-3 years. AND

 

The reason why no one should care about what Trump says is because he makes agendas up, lies on purpose, puts out faulty information on purpose, and then calls everyone else names because they don't agree with him. This has been happening since Day 1 of his campaign.

Agreed on both counts.

[wiffleball 4,631]

 

The reason why no one should care about what the left wing media says is because they make agendas up, lie on purpose, put out faulty information on purpose, and then call non-liberals names because they don't agree with the media. This has been happening for decades, not just 2-3 years.

You mean, like the war on Christmas? Or how Sharia law rules every major city but libruhls won't report that? Or my favorite, Operation Jade helm that had every NASCAR nitwit buying up thousands of rounds of ammunition before Obama could steal it all from them. Stuff like that?

[wiffleball 4,631]

Did all the liberals clutch their pearls while they were reading this?

You really need a new line.

[wiffleball 4,631]

I'd chalk it up to big picture vs nit picking. When he tells a lie worth a damn (Benghazi, keep your doctor, private e-mail server etc.) let us know.

You do realize that Hillary and Obama are two different people right? Are you going to sweep Chappaquiddick in there with Obama as well?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,576]

You do realize that Hillary and Obama are two different people right? Are you going to sweep Chappaquiddick in there with Obama as well?

Obama said he had no knowledge of HRC's private e-mail. Since proven otherwise. You're welcome.

[bandrus1 413]

I'd chalk it up to big picture vs nit picking. When he tells a lie worth a damn (Benghazi, keep your doctor, private e-mail server etc.) let us know.

Like promising to eliminate the national debt

[MDC 5,875]

Like promising to eliminate the national debt

Thats different. Everyone except Trump knew he was lying.

[RLLD 3,455]

It must be incredibly frustrating for leftists to stomp their feet and pout about Trump, but it never seems to work....

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,492]

It must be incredibly frustrating for leftists to stomp their feet and pout about Trump, but it never seems to work....

 

Well, they've been doing it 24/7 for over two years now. When everything is an outrage, nothing is an outrage. People have moved on to worrying about things that are actually important.

 

The left still things crying, pouting and acting perpetually outraged over EVERYTHING means something.