IGotWorms 3,310 Posted May 23, 2015 LOL...hiw focking stupid are you? It's absolutely their RIGHT to refuse. It's called THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!!! My GOD,how can you be that dumb? Well now you're dumb too. The Constitution has nothing to do with is except that it should inform our values Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 HAHAHA Perfect analogy. Nothing to hide, show them your call log. Pretty simple. So what the fock do you think they would find in Brady's call log? They already know he didn't call the deflator BEFORE the games. But of course, tjat surly means he talked to the deflator in person. Witch hunt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,310 Posted May 23, 2015 So what the fock do you think they would find in Brady's call log? They already know he didn't call the deflator BEFORE the games. But of course, tjat surly means he talked to the deflator in person. Witch hunt. For all they know Brady never once talked to the Deflator, period. Newbie has lied to you about who was involved in those phone calls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 LOL...hiw focking stupid are you? It's absolutely their RIGHT to refuse. It's called THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!!! My GOD,how can you be that dumb? No one ever said he didn't have the right to refuse. He had every right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 Well now you're dumb too. The Constitution has nothing to do with is except that it should inform our values WTF are you talking about?? He said someone doesn't have the right to refuse cops searching their car or submitting a breath test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 For all they know Brady never once talked to the Deflator, period. Newbie has lied to you about who was involved in those phone calls. You are so focking pathetic dude. Give it up. You're like the last retard on earth who's still trying to pretend the cheating didn't happen. How the fock are you a lawyer?? I always thought that involved some intelligence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 No one ever said he didn't have the right to refuse. He had every right. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=444832&do=findComment&comment=5470156 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 WTF are you talking about?? He said someone doesn't have the right to refuse cops searching their car or submitting a breath test. Liar. Where did I say they didn't have the right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted May 23, 2015 Why is it obvious that Kraft agrees? Isn't the team penalty for the stuff the equipment folk did and then Brady's suspension is for his own supposed role So you admit the ball boys messed up...but think they did it on their own? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=444832&do=findComment&comment=5470156 Nice eyeroll, phag. So if you pull over a guy who appears loaded and he refuses to take a breathalyzer, your experience as a cop doesn't lead you to believe that it's probably because he wouldn't pass it? (notice I never said he didn't have the right to refuse) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 Why is it obvious that Kraft agrees? Isn't the team penalty for the stuff the equipment folk did and then Brady's suspension is for his own supposed role Exactly!! Kraft knows the deflator did it. No one has shown anything but assumptions that Brady had anything to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 Exactly!! Kraft knows the deflator did it. No one has shown anything but assumptions that Brady had anything to do with it. Ummm, I'll just play along. In your little imaginary scenario, what possible reason would the ball boys have to sneak balls into a bathroom and let air out of them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 Nice eyeroll, phag. So if you pull over a guy who appears loaded and he refuses to take a breathalyzer, your experience as a cop doesn't lead you to believe that it's probably because he wouldn't pass it? (notice I never said he didn't have the right to refuse) You're a focking peach! In post # 68, you make tje comment, and in post #86 you deny it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 Ummm, I'll just play along. In your little imaginary scenario, what possible reason would the ball boys have to sneak balls into a bathroom and let air out of them? Maybe they had money on the game? The crack investigator should have that answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 So you admit the ball boys messed up...but think they did it on their own? Who knows. I'm just saying until there is more evidence, I choose to not be a judgemental dousche. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 Ummm, I'll just play along. In your little imaginary scenario, what possible reason would the ball boys have to sneak balls into a bathroom and let air out of them? Maybe they had money on the game? The crack investigator should have that answer. Money on the game? The whole thing started because of a tip off about the balls. This wasn't the only time it happened. Now I know you're pulling my leg. You're not this dumb. Face it, once Kraft stopped crying and succumbed to the penalty without a fight, the denial was over. He waved the white flag. No way that the owner of a team that was already known as cheaters, would go down without a fight unless he knew they got caught red handed. They cheated again and got busted. Pray for two games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted May 23, 2015 RLLD,you can deduce and ASSUME what you want. The proof isn't there YET. I'm not falling on any sword and saying he is undeniably not guilty, just that true evidence isn't present. You can be a hater all you want but assumptions don't make it so! Inferring from the facts is not outside of reason, and that is all that is currently being done. There is enough to suggest that it is more probable than not that T*m Br*dy knew, and perhaps was substantively involved, with the improper actions of the staff. Absolute "proof" and confessions cannot be reasonably obtained and, as with many court cases, it comes down to circumstantial evidence. I would like to know what Goodell elected to share with Krafty that led to him backing down. I think the NFL is taking it very easy on Br*dy and is likely protecting him to some degree by not allowing some of the more dicey details into the light of day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 Money on the game? The whole thing started because of a tip off about the balls. This wasn't the only time it happened. Now I know you're pulling my leg. You're not this dumb. Face it, once Kraft stopped crying and succumbed to the penalty without a fight, the denial was over. He waved the white flag. No way that the owner of a team that was already known as cheaters, would go down without a fight unless he knew they got caught red handed. They cheated again and got busted. Pray for two games. You talk pretty smart for being so focking stupid. Kraft knows his organization is CULPABLE for the deflator's actions. There are no IFS about THAT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 You talk pretty smart for being so focking stupid. Kraft knows his organization is CULPABLE for the deflator's actions. There are no IFS about THAT! Exactly. And there is no possible way of connecting the dots as to why these ball boys would be taking that chance that doesn't involve Brady. Admission of guilt. Now if only you dumb Pats fans would stop making an ass of yourselves and just move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 23, 2015 Ok, I'm heading out for the night. Would love to sit here all night and continue rubbing it in to the few Pats fans still in denial. But these plans can't wait. Toodles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted May 23, 2015 You talk pretty smart for being so focking stupid. Kraft knows his organization is CULPABLE for the deflator's actions. There are no IFS about THAT! Yes, but I think a first round pick is too heavy a punishment for merely being culpable, I think they went overboard with taking that pick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 529 Posted May 23, 2015 Exactly. And there is no possible way of connecting the dots as to why these ball boys would be taking that chance that doesn't involve Brady. Admission of guilt. Now if only you dumb Pats fans would stop making an ass of yourselves and just move on. There ya go making an incorrect assumption. I am a Vikings fan. Don't care much for the Patriots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted May 23, 2015 Exactly!! Kraft knows the deflator did it. No one has shown anything but assumptions that Brady had anything to do with it.Its called common focking sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted May 23, 2015 Let's have a round of applause for Eli Manning and the New York Football Giants! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,310 Posted May 24, 2015 You are so focking pathetic dude. Give it up. You're like the last retard on earth who's still trying to pretend the cheating didn't happen. How the fock are you a lawyer?? I always thought that involved some intelligence. Still wrong. Figure it out yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 24, 2015 Still wrong. Figure it out yet?oh I figured it out long ago. Your team cheats every chance they can. And they suck at it. They keep getting caught. And you're a blind Homer who continues to make an ass out of himself. Good luck with that. It's quite amusing to the rest of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,310 Posted May 24, 2015 oh I figured it out long ago. Your team cheats every chance they can. And they suck at it. They keep getting caught. And you're a blind Homer who continues to make an ass out of himself. Good luck with that. It's quite amusing to the rest of us. I'm not the one making up facts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted May 24, 2015 I'm not the one making up facts Fact: Patriots got caught cheating againFact: they were fined a million dollars, lost two draft picks, and their cheating QB is suspended 4 games Fact: they still have not won a Super Bowl that isn't marred by a cheating scandal. Fact: You are not handling it well at all. There ya go. Facts that can't be disputed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted May 24, 2015 Japanese soldiers living in caves. No one told them the war is over and they lost. Sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted May 24, 2015 Fact: Patriots more probably than not broke the rules again Fact: they were fined a million dollars, lost two draft picks, and their QB is currently suspended 4 games Opinion: they still have not won a Super Bowl that isn't marred by a cheating scandal. Fact: You are not handling it well at all. There ya go. Facts that can't be disputed. Fact - Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted May 24, 2015 Fact - * * * * Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted May 26, 2015 Getting sad in here. While I don't include the "wouldn't give up his phone." argument in my opinion, the breathalyzer analogy was perfect. Nothing to hide, no problem taking the test. What moron refuses a breathalyzer when he's had nothing to drink? But yea if my gf asks for my phone I don't give it to her even tho nothing to hide. It sets a bad precedent. There's just no more denying or making excuses. The pats cheated multiple times and their legacy is tainted to every single person in the country who isn't a pats fan. No one is putting him as their top qb and those that did have taken him off. At this point he needs a full 2 more sbs scandal free to reenter the convo. I take nothin away from his talents or skills. I still may put him ahead of professional choke artist Peyton manning tho after his latest record setting 1 and done. I have to say, the arguments are some of the funniest here so I'm hoping they continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
