Bernie vs Cruz: CNN debate night!

[12th Man 884]

You first.

That's what I thought.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Simple chart, Worms. This is a chart of revenue to the Treasury during the 1980's. You've already claimed that Reagan's tax cuts exploded the deficit.

 

This chart demonstrates that it wasn't tax cuts which resulted in deficit explosion.

 

You, though, can prove you are a person of integrity by admitting that Reagan cutting taxes didn't result in a loss of revenue.

 

And then we can discuss why your preconceptions were wrong.

 

http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Reagan-tax-revenue-4.2012.gif

 

Or you can run away and hide.

[12th Man 884]

Simple chart, Worms. This is a chart of revenue to the Treasury during the 1980's. You've already claimed that Reagan's tax cuts exploded the deficit.

 

This chart demonstrates that it wasn't tax cuts which resulted in deficit explosion.

 

You, though, can prove you are a person of integrity by admitting that Reagan cutting taxes didn't result in a loss of revenue.

 

And then we can discuss why your preconceptions were wrong.

 

http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Reagan-tax-revenue-4.2012.gif

 

Or you can run away and hide.

He's long gone. He's got nothing.

[MDC 5,890]

That's what I thought.

Me too.

[12th Man 884]

Me too.

Yea it's hilarious that you are a hypocrite.

[MDC 5,890]

Yea it's hilarious that you are a hypocrite.

From the guy who challenges me to post a pic but won't do it himself.

 

Did I pick on your man crush?

[12th Man 884]

From the guy who challenges me to post a pic but won't do it himself.

 

Did I pick on your man crush?

I wasn't the one commenting on another's looks you focking hypocrite.

[MDC 5,890]

I wasn't the one commenting on another's looks you focking hypocrite.

Cruz looks like a bridge troll. I'm sorry you're gay for him.

[12th Man 884]

Cruz looks like a bridge troll. I'm sorry you're gay for him.

Let's see what you look like. Then we can see what a bridge troll really looks like.

[MDC 5,890]

Let's see what you look like. Then we can see what a bridge troll really looks like.

Should I post my address and social security # too?

[12th Man 884]

Should I post my address and social security # too?

Keep moving the goal posts pvssy.

[MDC 5,890]

Keep moving the goal posts pvssy.

I will PM you a nude pic shortly, creeper.

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

This got uncomfortable

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

You make more money now so you pay more taxes? Wow, that's crazy!

 

I have no problem paying more taxes, the problem I have is paying a higher %

[DankNuggs 305]

The simple answer is that economic growth is a bigger driver of tax revenue than rates

[12th Man 884]

I will PM you a nude pic shortly, creeper.

Says the guy who won't post his pic. Pvssy.

[MDC 5,890]

Says the guy who won't post his pic. Pvssy.

Neither will you, twat.

[Cdub100 3,380]

Lion Ted Cruz did great last night. He stuck to the facts which is what he is good at.

 

I do agree he has a very punchable face. Sanders on the other hand is a threat to democracy. Dude is a total socialist who wants to destroy our whole way of life.

[bandrus1 413]

 

I have no problem paying more taxes, the problem I have is paying a higher %

 

 

100k a yr to over 200 . I went from paying about 22k a yr to over 48k

Math?

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[12th Man 884]

Neither will you, twat.

cant blame you. You must be one ugly doosh. No wonder daddy never hugged you.

[MDC 5,890]

cant blame you. You must be one ugly doosh. No wonder daddy never hugged you.

You too.

[12th Man 884]

You too.

Right.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

 

 

 

100k a yr to over 200 . I went from paying about 22k a yr to over 48k

Math?

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math? yes have you heard of it

 

if I make 100k and pay 22k then if I make 200k I should pay 44k, instead I pay 48k, not sure what is so hard for you to follow

[bandrus1 413]

You said over 200k a year

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

You said over 200k a year

 

yes 204k to be exact, and I also said over 48k, which by my current calculations will be 48.500 approx based on if the months average

 

point is I believe in a %, not a scaling % cause I make more

 

I go from 22 to about 25, again not really that big of a deal, but of course Bernie thinks I should pay 50% at least

[IGotWorms 3,311]

 

math? yes have you heard of it

 

if I make 100k and pay 22k then if I make 200k I should pay 44k, instead I pay 48k, not sure what is so hard for you to follow

So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern era

[IMMensaMind 459]

So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern era

Federal Income Tax began @ 1%.

 

And Socialists like you applauded, and immediately began the push for more. Now, you have no problem thinking some people should pay half of what they earn.

 

That's a flat disgrace. It's robbery; it's immoral.

 

You haven't supported your claim that tax cuts slash revenue, Worms. Gonna get to it at some point?

[cmh6476 751]

A guy in my fantasy football league is still coordinating sh!t like this for team Cruz

 

Saw him tweeting from the event last night

[Alias Detective 1,179]

So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern era

Federal Income Tax began @ 1%.

 

And Socialists like you applauded, and immediately began the push for more. Now, you have no problem thinking some people should pay half of what they earn.

 

That's a flat disgrace. It's robbery; it's immoral.

 

You haven't supported your claim that tax cuts slash revenue, Worms. Gonna get to it at some point?

you are both correct.

 

https://taxfoundation.org/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2013-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets/

 

Historical tax rates since 1913

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern era

 

dont care how long its been around, I am against it

[bandrus1 413]

 

yes 204k to be exact, and I also said over 48k, which by my current calculations will be 48.500 approx based on if the months average

 

point is I believe in a %, not a scaling % cause I make more

 

I go from 22 to about 25, again not really that big of a deal, but of course Bernie thinks I should pay 50% at least

Again math... 22 to 24.25%.....wahhhhhhhhhhh

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

Again math... 22 to 24.25%.....wahhhhhhhhhhh

 

again not the point

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

Watched it, someone must have told Bernie how low 1% is, cause his new line is 1/10th of 1%

[IGotWorms 3,311]

Watched it, someone must have told Bernie how low 1% is, cause his new line is 1/10th of 1%

Hes always used both. Theyre relevant. The point is all the wealth and income is concentrated at the top and even then its further concentrated at the top of the top

[IMMensaMind 459]

Hes always used both. Theyre relevant. The point is all the wealth and income is concentrated at the top and even then its further concentrated at the top of the top

It's called math. Those with money to invest will ALWAYS do better than those who don't, or have less.

 

What part of that is difficult for you to figure out?

 

You're not even willing to face that you're utterly FOS about tax cuts. The three major tax cuts in the last 70 years have ALL resulted in a great increase in revenue to the Treasury, and you run away like a scared school girl and refuse to confront the stupidity of your views.

 

Just like every prog ever.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

Hes always used both. Theyre relevant. The point is all the wealth and income is concentrated at the top and even then its further concentrated at the top of the top

 

Bernie thinks Denmark is a good country to follow. 49.6% tax rate

 

Bernie also thinks lets get to the FACTS...Polls say...lol

[IGotWorms 3,311]

 

Bernie thinks Denmark is a good country to follow. 49.6% tax rate

 

Yes he does. Thats true.

 

Just so you understand, tax rates would be high but youd have services you dont pay for out of pocket. So for example you wouldnt pay for medical insurance. That right there is worth hundreds if not thousands per month. You wouldnt pay for early childhood education aka daycare. Again, thousands per month for people with small children. You wouldnt pay for most or all of college. Tens of thousands or more for most people.

 

Now there are criticisms of that model. State control being the chief one of course. Now there are solutions for that like the health insurance model where its paid for by taxes but administered by a private insurer under contract. Thats a good option that works for all kinds of these things. But you may not like it and Im sure you have legitimate concerns. Just know that when you say high taxes the concept is that most everyone actually ends up with a net benefit.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

Yes he does. Thats true.

 

Just so you understand, tax rates would be high but youd have services you dont pay for out of pocket. So for example you wouldnt pay for medical insurance. That right there is worth hundreds if not thousands per month. You wouldnt pay for early childhood education aka daycare. Again, thousands per month for people with small children. You wouldnt pay for most or all of college. Tens of thousands or more for most people.

 

Now there are criticisms of that model. State control being the chief one of course. Now there are solutions for that like the health insurance model where its paid for by taxes but administered by a private insurer under contract. Thats a good option that works for all kinds of these things. But you may not like it and Im sure you have legitimate concerns. Just know that when you say high taxes the concept is that most everyone actually ends up with a net benefit.

Yes I know what you allegedly don't pay for by allowing the govt to take care of more stuff. Problem is and my major issue is that the govt spends stupidly and 99% of govt programs are a disaster, but we expect them to get this right? No thanks. Also Bernie couldn't even respond when Cruz brought up wait time facts. Another issue is without the free market we have do you really think the US would remain the no 1 in medical research

 

Also it's neat how a couple years ago Bernie admired socialist Venezuela but since another socialist regime has failed it's on to Euro

[IMMensaMind 459]

Simple chart, Worms. This is a chart of revenue to the Treasury during the 1980's. You've already claimed that Reagan's tax cuts exploded the deficit.

This chart demonstrates that it wasn't tax cuts which resulted in deficit explosion.

You, though, can prove you are a person of integrity by admitting that Reagan cutting taxes didn't result in a loss of revenue.

And then we can discuss why your preconceptions were wrong. http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Reagan-tax-revenue-4.2012.gif

Or you can run away and hide.

Is Worms still hiding? Newbie says he doesn't like weak posters who cannot handle alternative views. Worms: Newbie - of all people - just called you out.

 

Go ahead and support your claim. Tax cuts, you claim, reduce revenue. Here I offer proof that you're wrong.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Yes he does. Thats true.

Just so you understand, tax rates would be high but youd have services you dont pay for out of pocket. So for example you wouldnt pay for medical insurance. That right there is worth hundreds if not thousands per month. You wouldnt pay for early childhood education aka daycare. Again, thousands per month for people with small children. You wouldnt pay for most or all of college. Tens of thousands or more for most people.

Now there are criticisms of that model. State control being the chief one of course. Now there are solutions for that like the health insurance model where its paid for by taxes but administered by a private insurer under contract. Thats a good option that works for all kinds of these things. But you may not like it and Im sure you have legitimate concerns. Just know that when you say high taxes the concept is that most everyone actually ends up with a net benefit.

Or, you could opt for the freedom to buy the services you need from the providers you desire to patronize, and for a price you negotiate with them directly.

 

And then I could allow my lifestyle choices to best affect my own health expenditures, and also not overpay because my taxes are higher than yours.

 

All of this freedom and personal accountability requires big boy pants, though, so I can see why you're uncomfortable.