Best ball league with superflex

[Kanil 519]

I've never played in a league where you could have more than 1 QB. I recently joined a dynasty (1st year) and have questions about drafting strategy. It feels almost a given that I should go QB, QB. What I'm wondering is if I should be looking at QB in the 3rd round as well due to the best ball rule (below), but that feels bad. Talk me out of it?

 

 

Pertinent league rules/scoring are below:

Best ball - Your best lineup is automatically started, no setting lineups each week.

 

Start:
1qb

1rb

1wr

1te

1 superflex (qb/rb/wr/te)

5 normal flex (rb/wr/te)

No kicker, no def

 

Scoring:

Passing:

1pt/25 yards

5pts/TD

-2/int

 

Rushing:

1pt/10 yards

6pt/td

 

Receiving:

1pt/10 yards

6pt/TD

0.5pt/reception

 

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I would not go qb first 3 rounds

[Matt Mueller 146]

I've never played in this type of league but I'd be looking to go:

 

QB

QB

WR

WR

TE

RB

RB

 

or something to that effect

[Matt Mueller 146]

Also be aware of your positional tiers and your draft position.

 

While QBS will fly off the board here you may be looking at a marginal QB vs a close to elite type WR in round 2 and then I would consider grabbing the WR and getting a QB later.

 

Basically don't draft solely for need and chase the QB position if you are picking from the back end.

 

 

I think ideally in these type of drafts the owners that get stuck drafting at the bottom of tiers get the worse value.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Grab Mike Glennon and thank me later.

[Ray_T 587]

I've never played in a league where you could have more than 1 QB. I recently joined a dynasty (1st year) and have questions about drafting strategy. It feels almost a given that I should go QB, QB. What I'm wondering is if I should be looking at QB in the 3rd round as well due to the best ball rule (below), but that feels bad. Talk me out of it?

 

 

Pertinent league rules/scoring are below:

Best ball - Your best lineup is automatically started, no setting lineups each week.

 

Start:

1qb

1rb

1wr

1te

1 superflex (qb/rb/wr/te)

5 normal flex (rb/wr/te)

No kicker, no def

 

Scoring:

Passing:

1pt/25 yards

5pts/TD

-2/int

 

Rushing:

1pt/10 yards

6pt/td

 

Receiving:

1pt/10 yards

6pt/TD

0.5pt/reception

.

 

 

The only time you should ever even Think about going QB-QB with your first 2 picks is where you actually start 2 QB

 

In a best ball league, it's just like redraft except that there is added value in your backup QB because of the best ball format.

 

so a QB who is somewhat stable with a decent ceiling (ie. high upside) is your ideal second QB.

 

as for the first QB, the value is roughly the same as in redraft.

[giraldi02 470]

Quarterbacks are going to FLY off the board.

Think of it this way: In a 6 point passing TD league, Sam Bradford scored nearly the same PPG as Mike Evans (less than 1 PPG difference).

QB/QB is essentially the only draft strategy imo. Then, if a guy like Glennon/Watson/Kizer falls to the mid-rounds, grab one as your 3rd QB to have the superflex all season

[Ray_T 587]

There is no doubt that 6 point TD's make QB's more valuable.

 

but in a best ball format your #1 QB should be the QB scoring points for you in at least 80% of the games.

 

your #2 QB will be an asset in a handful of games where your #1 QB does poorly or where your #2 lights it up.

 

there is still more value in grabbing a #1 RB or WR who gives you an advantage at that position as compared to a backup QB who helps you some of the time.

 

I still stand by my statement that you shouldnt go QB-QB unless you are starting 2 QB. You can do differently if you want, but if you have a top end #1 QB (say Aaron Rodgers) you can wait on your second QB because that QB will really only impact your team if Rodgers gets hurt or for that one week Rodgers does not play his best.

[giraldi02 470]

Dude, you literally made the argument for yourself.

 

Superflex IS starting two QBs

[redsrback 30]

How long can u keep the players on your roster ? My guess is you can land or pick up a QB later that may be just as good as people who use there first 2 picks on them. While depleting the top position players u might get Eli Manning and Dak Prescott and later can dump them for somebody else. Elliott, Melvin Gordon, Leonard Fournette, could be enticing first 2 picks, Odell Beckham, AJ Green, Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper would be nice at 3 and 4, add a Hunter Henry at TE and keep picking position players till your forced to take your QBs by paying attention to other peoples line-ups. I would love to be in a league if this is how your members draft and apparently everyone else here from them saying you have to go QB-QB. Notice all the players I mentioned except Eli Manning are young and can grow with your team.

[Kanil 519]

How long can u keep the players on your roster ? My guess is you can land or pick up a QB later that may be just as good as people who use there first 2 picks on them. While depleting the top position players u might get Eli Manning and Dak Prescott and later can dump them for somebody else. Elliott, Melvin Gordon, Leonard Fournette, could be enticing first 2 picks, Odell Beckham, AJ Green, Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper would be nice at 3 and 4, add a Hunter Henry at TE and keep picking position players till your forced to take your QBs by paying attention to other peoples line-ups. I would love to be in a league if this is how your members draft and apparently everyone else here from them saying you have to go QB-QB. Notice all the players I mentioned except Eli Manning are young and can grow with your team.

 

You keep players until you cut them. Theoretically you could keep them forever.

[Kanil 519]

Also be aware of your positional tiers and your draft position.

 

While QBS will fly off the board here you may be looking at a marginal QB vs a close to elite type WR in round 2 and then I would consider grabbing the WR and getting a QB later.

 

Basically don't draft solely for need and chase the QB position if you are picking from the back end.

 

 

I think ideally in these type of drafts the owners that get stuck drafting at the bottom of tiers get the worse value.

This is great advice. I'm for sure going QB1 first round and will play it from there.

[Ray_T 587]

Dude, you literally made the argument for yourself.

 

Superflex IS starting two QBs

Pertinent league rules/scoring are below:

Best ball - Your best lineup is automatically started, no setting lineups each week.

Start:

1qb

1rb

1wr

1te

1 superflex (qb/rb/wr/te)

5 normal flex (rb/wr/te)

No kicker, no def

This was cut from the original post. I didnt really question it and I assumed 1 QB was scored only.

 

so it would appear our differences are not as a result of a difference of opinion, but interpretation of the original posting.

[redsrback 30]

You all take Aaron Rodgers and whoever else at QB, ill own you all taking my QBs late in the draft. Besides you all cant have Aaron Rodgers and not many teams left who u can assume is a sure thing like a Rodgers at QB.

[giraldi02 470]

You all take Aaron Rodgers and whoever else at QB, ill own you all taking my QBs late in the draft. Besides you all cant have Aaron Rodgers and not many teams left who u can assume is a sure thing like a Rodgers at QB.

Again...

 

Even the most mediocre quarterbacks, on a per-game basis, score roughly equivalent, if not more, than the majority of fantasy skill position players. Sam Bradford in the Superflex spot every week is going to be putting up Michael Crabtree numbers.

 

24 of the top 40 PPG players last season in 4 point passing TD leagues were quarterbacks. 13 of the top 25 scorers were QBs.

 

To each their own....but I'm guessing in any competitive superflex, you forego the QB position in the first 3 rounds and you'll be rostering DeShone Kizer as your starter

[Ray_T 587]

Again...

 

Even the most mediocre quarterbacks, on a per-game basis, score roughly equivalent, if not more, than the majority of fantasy skill position players. Sam Bradford in the Superflex spot every week is going to be putting up Michael Crabtree numbers.

 

24 of the top 40 PPG players last season in 4 point passing TD leagues were quarterbacks. 13 of the top 25 scorers were QBs.

 

To each their own....but I'm guessing in any competitive superflex, you forego the QB position in the first 3 rounds and you'll be rostering DeShone Kizer as your starter

okay,

 

but here is the situation. If you are getting Aaron Rodgers, chances are, you used a top 3 pick to get him.

 

Meaning you will be spending a bottom 3 pick in round 2 to potentially acquire another QB.(assuming this is a snake draft)

 

Keeping that in mind, you have to ask yourself, how many of the teams out there go QB-QB?

 

or further to that.... how many dont?

 

Going on the assumption that a handful of teams grab a non QB with one of their first 2 picks, you are looking at:

 

Eli

Bortles

Tyrod

Palmer

Bradford

Flacco

Dak Prescott

Glennon

 

some of these names will be left, some wont.

 

If I'm picking near the bottom of round 2 why wouldnt you just take the top RB or WR off the board and take a QB near the top of round 3?

[redsrback 30]

Again...

 

Even the most mediocre quarterbacks, on a per-game basis, score roughly equivalent, if not more, than the majority of fantasy skill position players. Sam Bradford in the Superflex spot every week is going to be putting up Michael Crabtree numbers.

 

24 of the top 40 PPG players last season in 4 point passing TD leagues were quarterbacks. 13 of the top 25 scorers were QBs.

 

To each their own....but I'm guessing in any competitive superflex, you forego the QB position in the first 3 rounds and you'll be rostering DeShone Kizer as your starter

Ill take my chances with Eli Manning having Paul freaking Perkins at RB, bringing in a Brandon Marshall facing single man coverage because your style is wrapped around 1 player. If I pick up Eli in the 12th round he can be just as good as your number 2 pick of a QB in the second round. I will be 2 picks ahead of you on a position player by taking my first QB so late, covering all my angles with you basing your success on 1 single player.

[giraldi02 470]

Ill take my chances with Eli Manning having Paul freaking Perkins at RB, bringing in a Brandon Marshall facing single man coverage because your style is wrapped around 1 player. If I pick up Eli in the 12th round he can be just as good as your number 2 pick of a QB in the second round. I will be 2 picks ahead of you on a position player by taking my first QB so late, covering all my angles with you basing your success on 1 single player.

If you're getting Eli Manning in a superflex in round 12, you're drafting with a bunch of people that have never played the format.

 

http://ffdynasty260.com/superflex-adp/

http://dynastyfootballfactory.com/adp-data-june-2017/

https://adpmercenaries.wordpress.com/superflex-startup-adp/

[giraldi02 470]

okay,

 

but here is the situation. If you are getting Aaron Rodgers, chances are, you used a top 3 pick to get him.

 

Meaning you will be spending a bottom 3 pick in round 2 to potentially acquire another QB.(assuming this is a snake draft)

 

Keeping that in mind, you have to ask yourself, how many of the teams out there go QB-QB?

 

or further to that.... how many dont?

 

 

Who is going to score me more points in a half point PPR and a 5 point passing TD league like the OP's?

 

Aaron Rodgers or any other skill position player?

 

My money is on Rodgers every single time.

[Quickolas1 80]

If I pick up Eli in the 12th round he can be just as good as your number 2 pick of a QB in the second round.

I play in a 14 team re-draft superflex.

I don't like it but it's my work league.

 

The top 24ish QBs are gone by the end of round 4.

Rounds 5-6 are the last couple terrible QBs and guys who will probably get replaced like a Josh McCown.

 

Eli Manning type tier goes in the 3rd, not the 12th.

 

And in a best ball, which mine isn't, a 3rd QB has more potential value.

Oh and this guy's league is a dynasty.

[Ray_T 587]

Who is going to score me more points in a half point PPR and a 5 point passing TD league like the OP's?

 

Aaron Rodgers or any other skill position player?

 

My money is on Rodgers every single time.

I was not questioning the picking of Rodgers. I was questioning the picking of the second QB in round 2 in that scenario.

 

 

To be Frank, given what is likely left at the end of round 2, I'd say that unless you are drafting late in the first half of round 1 you may be better off drafting a QB in round 1 and 3 with a top WR or RB in round 2 as compared to QB-QB.

[redsrback 30]

I play in a 14 team re-draft superflex.

I don't like it but it's my work league.

 

The top 24ish QBs are gone by the end of round 4.

Rounds 5-6 are the last couple terrible QBs and guys who will probably get replaced like a Josh McCown.

 

Eli Manning type tier goes in the 3rd, not the 12th.

 

And in a best ball, which mine isn't, a 3rd QB has more potential value.

Oh and this guy's league is a dynasty.

Interesting draft, I guess I would shoot for Dalton, Carr, Stafford at 3 and 4. Drop Eli for youth since there is not much room for flexibility. Elliot and Gordon at 1 and 2, if the cards fall right and others run to RB to get them , I could maybe land AJ Green, Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper at 5 and 6, but 14 teams instead of 12 I have not done before live.

[ralphster 274]

With superflex, 1/2 point ppr and 5 point qb td passes I'm going to say go qb for sure in the 1st, and depending on who's there/where you pick probably qb in the 2nd.

 

This league of yours is all about qb glory, so getting two good ones is a must. Once the good qbs are gone it will revert to a 'normalish' type adp with the remaining players.

[redsrback 30]

But Ralph other then Rodgers who you going to say is a no-brainer. I would flip a coin after Rodgers.

[giraldi02 470]

But Ralph other then Rodgers who you going to say is a no-brainer. I would flip a coin after Rodgers.

It doesn't matter in terms of no-brainers. The scoring settings and league format dictate quarterbacks go first. Guys like Andy Dalton in a league like this need to go before guys like Amari Cooper.

 

The ratio of skill position players to quarterbacks in the first three rounds should be about 1:3.5.

 

Being behind the 8-ball in a league like this is almost impossible to recover from.

 

This thread is a prime example of paying very close attention to league setup, scoring settings, and VBD.

[delchay 6]

I have played in a 24 round league standard with no waiver wire for the past 13 years. You can flex and extra Qb if you want to. I would grab a QB in round 1 or 2. Grab another one no later than round 5 or 6 depending on who is out there and where you can get the best value. I am assuming you start 2 rb's and 2 wr's on your lineup?