Congrats gun folks!

[Hardcore troubadour 12,627]

You're advocating gun control?

Nope. Muslim control

[MDC 5,890]

Did you know, according to a Cato Institute report you are more likely to be buried alive than killed by a foreign terrorist. It's true!

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578]

Because it is important?

 

but its not suicide is a completely irrelevant correlation, every country has had the same exact suicide rate before and after gun bans

[Hardcore troubadour 12,627]

So in summation, you are now more likely to be killed in an Islamic terrorist attack in the United States than you are to be killled by lightening. Times sure have changed.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Can someone define "gun control" for me?

 

Because...I don't believe in it one iota.

Hitting what you are aiming at. That is the definition of gun control.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Sure buddy. Whatever you say. Everyone knows you're actually not full of sh1t or pathetic

Grow up man...

[penultimatestraw 473]

My beliefs are supported by data. For instance, data suggests that traffic accidents cause more deaths than guns. Which, I believe, would mean that your driving habits are more dangerous than my gun ownership.

I'm okay with guns being as strictly regulated as motor vehicles, even though the latter provide far more societal benefit.

[Cdub100 3,380]

In 2016 there were 38 people killed by lightening in the US.

 

The terrorist attack at the pulse nightclub in Orlando Florida in 2016 resulted in the deaths of 54 people.

 

While statically low I still don't go running around in a open field during a lightning storm. The problems the libs don't understand there are consequences from actions.

 

Run outside during a storm get struck by lightning

Allow immigration from known terrorist regions get terrorism.

Keep a loaded weapon in the reach of children shot children.

 

The point is these risks can be lowered even further with proper precautions. Unfortunately stupid people do all three of the above.

 

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[penultimatestraw 473]

but its not suicide is a completely irrelevant correlation, every country has had the same exact suicide rate before and after gun bans

Nobody is talking about gun bans in other countries.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Grow up man...

Coming from you? That's rich. You're one of THE most immature little whiny brats on this board who argues with everyone and wants to pick fights with people. Compared to me who just lets it go and doesn't bother arguing. So you tell me what's more immature and childish?

[Sho Nuff 719]

Coming from you? That's rich. You're one of THE most immature little whiny brats on this board who argues with everyone and wants to pick fights with people. Compared to me who just lets it go and doesn't bother arguing. So you tell me what's more immature and childish?

Yeah...you're not arguing at all.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Yeah...you're not arguing at all.

Dear God I forgot how much of an idiot you are. Carry on Slo. Carry on

[Hardcore troubadour 12,627]

 

While statically low I still don't go running around in a open field during a lightning storm. The problems the libs don't understand there are consequences from actions.

 

Run outside during a storm get struck by lightning

Allow immigration from known terrorist regions get terrorism.

Keep a loaded weapon in the reach of children shot children.

 

The point is these risks can be lowered even further with proper precautions. Unfortunately stupid people do all three of the above.

 

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Right on. Some stupid people can't grasp the whole "prevention" aspect. Beta-cucks most of them.

[5-Points 2,726]

I'm okay with guns being as strictly regulated as motor vehicles, even though the latter provide far more societal benefit.

But cars are far more dangerous than guns and, therefore, should be subject to more stringent regulations.

[penultimatestraw 473]

But cars are far more dangerous than guns and, therefore, should be subject to more stringent regulations.

Actually cars alone aren't much more dangerous than guns. But they provide many more benefits than guns, which factors into the risk:benefit equation.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Actually cars alone aren't much more dangerous than guns. But they provide many more benefits than guns, which factors into the risk:benefit equation.

But guns have a lower fatality rate than cars do. Check and checkmate

[giraldi02 470]

Actually cars alone aren't much more dangerous than guns. But they provide many more benefits than guns, which factors into the risk:benefit equation.

By that logic though, we as a country wouldn't spend what we do for military compared to what we do for infrastructure.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578]

Nobody is talking about gun bans in other countries.

 

you can't cherry pick, your side wants universal healthcare like Venezuela, Canada, Insert current European Socialist Country.

 

Suicide rates in EVERY first world country has remained the same before and after gun bans, thats why your side continues to use suicide in the gun deaths to spice up the number. Suicide is the problem, guns are a solution, not thee solution. The left uses 33k deaths by guns every year, but again suicide is the outlier, 21k gun suicides annually skew that number greatly.

 

you would be more useful banning suicide, cause that would save 50k deaths a year. Now go fix it, and leave me and the rest of the 299,988,000 guns that aren't used for murder alone

[5-Points 2,726]

Actually cars alone aren't much more dangerous than guns. But they provide many more benefits than guns, which factors into the risk:benefit equation.

Cars alone aren't dangerous at all. The same is true of guns. Both take a human element to make them dangerous.

 

There are, however, about 100 million fewer cars than guns in America. Yet cars are involved in many more fatalities annually.

 

I disagree with your risk/reward assessment. Without cars we would definitely have a cleaner environment and we would most likely have fewer cases of heart disease and obesity as people would be more physically active. Two causes of death that claim more lives than guns.

[wiffleball 4,639]

 

but its not suicide is a completely irrelevant correlation, every country has had the same exact suicide rate before and after gun bans

I seriously doubt that.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Exactly. Forget that the majority of "children" being killed is a result of gang violence.

 

I also like how they combine "accidental injury" due to car crashes and drowning as a separate, single statistical category and call that the second leading cause of death after illness. If you're going to combine "accidental injuries" into one category you have to include accidental injuries from guns as well.

 

In other words, accidental injury is the second leading cause of death among American children. That doesn't elicit the same emotional response though.

Probably a lot harder to get caught in a crossfire from a knife fight though.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578]

I seriously doubt that.

 

I was hoping you would say that

 

Australia suicides since you probably wont click

 

http://www.mindframe-media.info/for-media/reporting-suicide/facts-and-stats

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/

 

UK

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/19/number-of-suicides-uk-increases-2013-male-rate-highest-2001

 

currently the highest rate ever for UK

[5-Points 2,726]

Probably a lot harder to get caught in a crossfire from a knife fight though.

I think you misunderstood my point.

 

The "children" they use in this, and other, "studies" include teenage gangbangers shooting each other.

 

It's misleading, at best.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I think you misunderstood my point.

 

The "children" they use in this, and other, "studies" include teenage gangbangers shooting each other.

 

It's misleading, at best.

Ah. I see. Fair enough.

 

Although you do see stories kids getting caught in the crossfire from time to time.

 

Honestly, the police should just arm up and end the gangs. They want war? Give em one.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578]

Ah. I see. Fair enough.

 

Although you do see stories kids getting caught in the crossfire from time to time.

 

Honestly, the police should just arm up and end the gangs. They want war? Give em one.

That's racist haven't you heard

[penultimatestraw 473]

but its not suicide is a completely irrelevant correlation, every country has had the same exact suicide rate before and after gun bans

I already posted the study in this country showing decreased suicide rates after more restrictive gun laws were passed, and increased rates when restrictions were lifted. You can search for it in one of the bazillion gun control threads. Here's a more recent study looking at which laws are more effective in reducing suicide: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2016.303650

[penultimatestraw 473]

By that logic though, we as a country wouldn't spend what we do for military compared to what we do for infrastructure.

If you're arguing we spend too much on military relative to infrastructure, I agree.

[penultimatestraw 473]

But guns have a lower fatality rate than cars do. Check and checkmate

Doubt it, as there are far fewer gun owners (many own multiple firearms) than car drivers and passengers.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578]

I already posted the study in this country showing decreased suicide rates after more restrictive gun laws were passed, and increased rates when restrictions were lifted. You can search for it in one of the bazillion gun control threads. Here's a more recent study looking at which laws are more effective in reducing suicide: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2016.303650

I have zero problems with mandatory waiting periods as a matter of fact I don't think anybody has an issue with it. I don't have a problem even with a psych evaluation prior to purchase of first firearm. I also am for stricter penalties for missing weapons. I however don't believe that guns create more suicides. But even if we count suicides in gun deaths there are 299,967,000 guns that kill nobody annually

[penultimatestraw 473]

Cars alone aren't dangerous at all. The same is true of guns. Both take a human element to make them dangerous.

There are, however, about 100 million fewer cars than guns in America. Yet cars are involved in many more fatalities annually.

I disagree with your risk/reward assessment. Without cars we would definitely have a cleaner environment and we would most likely have fewer cases of heart disease and obesity as people would be more physically active. Two causes of death that claim more lives than guns.

Although I think your numbers are off a bit, I agree that people, not objects are the problem. Hence we need to regulate which people have access to potentially deadly objects.

 

As a commuter cyclist I'd also be ecstatic about less vehicles on the road. So how about we get more restrictive with both cars and guns?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578]

But having a discussion is fine it's people like this

 

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/06/virginia-governor-claims-93-million-us-citizens-die-a-day.html

 

Who push an agenda with a number meant to shock

[penultimatestraw 473]

I have zero problems with mandatory waiting periods as a matter of fact I don't think anybody has an issue with it. I don't have a problem even with a psych evaluation prior to purchase of first firearm. I also am for stricter penalties for missing weapons. I however don't believe that guns create more suicides. But even if we count suicides in gun deaths there are 299,967,000 guns that kill nobody annually

Excluding suicide, we agree on many aspects of gun control. But neither of us are determining policy.

[penultimatestraw 473]

But having a discussion is fine it's people like this

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/06/virginia-governor-claims-93-million-us-citizens-die-a-day.html

Who push an agenda with a number meant to shock

There is sensationalism on both sides of the issue - the government isn't about to take our guns and enslave us either.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I was hoping you would say that

 

Australia suicides since you probably wont click

 

http://www.mindframe-media.info/for-media/reporting-suicide/facts-and-stats

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/The problem is, you have no way of knowing their suicide rates if guns were more readily available.

 

UK

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/19/number-of-suicides-uk-increases-2013-male-rate-highest-2001

 

currently the highest rate ever for UK

The problem is you don't know what suicides would be if guns were readily available. That's why this study is so interesting, as it looks at suicide rates in the US pre- and post-passage of gun laws. Neighboring states were their "controls" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26212633

 

I can't find a link to the whole article, but they basically compared suicide rates in states with more or less restrictive laws before and after gun legislation was placed into effect.

[5-Points 2,726]

Although I think your numbers are off a bit, I agree that people, not objects are the problem. Hence we need to regulate which people have access to potentially deadly objects.

 

As a commuter cyclist I'd also be ecstatic about less vehicles on the road. So how about we get more restrictive with both cars and guns?

You first!

 

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Although I think your numbers are off a bit, I agree that people, not objects are the problem. Hence we need to regulate which people have access to potentially deadly objects.

 

As a commuter cyclist I'd also be ecstatic about less vehicles on the road. So how about we get more restrictive with both cars and guns?

Sure. You willing to fund proper public transit like every orther major country has?

[MDC 5,890]

From 2005-2015, about 24 Americans were killed by foreign terrorists in the US versus 280,000+ who die by gun violence and 36 who were killed by lightning in 2016 alone!

 

When a Trumptarded beta cuck tells you we need to spend trillions of dollars fighting "terrorism" just ask him where's the anti-lightning policy?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Look at the map of where gun deaths occur. Basically, Democrats shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

Look at the map again and you'll find it's already the case. Chances are most of those shootings were committed with illegally obtained/owned guns.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,627]

Oh, we only count foreign terrorists now. No one told me

[MDC 5,890]

Since 9/11, about 30 US civilians have been killed by terror attacks per year - about the same # who are fatally crushed by televisions and furniture!

 

So when a Trumpflake gets all askeered about the terrorists, you tell that b1tch to pipe down and go make you a sandwich.