vuduchile 1,940 Posted December 11, 2015 Trump's half-cocked, ill-conceived plans to stop the flow of illegal aliens and terrorists into the U.S. will never get off the ground. Most level headed people know that calling for a ban on people of a particular religion is assassine. But as we've seen before, his off the cuff politically incorrect idea has sparked a lot of national debate So, what should we do? Are we already doing the best we can? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,009 Posted December 11, 2015 Make it a crime for being here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,542 Posted December 11, 2015 Something with a human microchip implant should work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 11, 2015 We can start by not calling Islam a religion and call it what it is. A cult. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ToadSprocket 12 Posted December 11, 2015 I don't know the answer but the powers that be are obviously not serious about stopping illegal aliens from coming in and staying. We've heard that all the illegals want is to do jobs that we legal Americans don't want to do. I find that absolutely not true. I work in the construction industry and when I used to visit job sites to work up bids, I almost never encountered non English speaking workers. As time went by there were more and more and more of that. Now, there'll be 8 or so workers and only one will speak English. Yes, the illegals will work for less money which will enable the Builder/Contractor to pocket more $$ for themselves. I find they could care less about illegals in this country. I always thought going after those that hire and pay workers without proof of their citizenship would cure most of it. As it is, that doesn't happen and the unemployment rate harms those of us who are legal. Legal aliens = fine. Illegal aliens = not so much. But I'm sure ultra liberals will argue differently. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,542 Posted December 11, 2015 So if you belong here you get a computer chip implanted in your ass...an immigrant it goes in your neck with an exploding component in case you fall out of line. Those without a chip and the tracking signal from it get shot on site Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,082 Posted December 11, 2015 It goes back to immigration. 1. Actually enforce the laws we have already. 2. No more "Sanctuary Cities" 3. Modernize, make more effective and efficient our tracking system for Visas (overstayed) and guest worker programs. 4. Secure the borders better. Wether that's build up walls, use drone technology, have more border patrol, or all of that, etc. 5. Then we figure out what to do with the illegal aliens already here. It just isn't feasible to 'round em up and kick them out yee haw!' So some form of amnesty system. i.e. Marco Rubio and John Kasichs platform on the issue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greedo 13 Posted December 11, 2015 What KSB said, with the following caveat: We can't stop it. We can improve things, but this issue will never go away as long as we remain the land of opportunity. Unless we want to become China, we need to accept that we'll have illegal immigration no matter what happens. Kinda like terrorism - we can't ever "win". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,542 Posted December 11, 2015 Maybe a neck bracelet 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,144 Posted December 11, 2015 Are gringos falling from the sky? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted December 12, 2015 Make it a crime for being here. Aren't there already laws on the books for that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted December 12, 2015 Something with a human microchip implant should work not for freedumb lovin' 'Mericans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted December 12, 2015 We can start by not calling Islam a religion and call it what it is. A cult. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted December 12, 2015 So if you belong here you get a computer chip implanted in your ass...an immigrant it goes in your neck with an exploding component in case you fall out of line. Those without a chip and the tracking signal from it get shot on site Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted December 12, 2015 Maybe a neck bracelet yer crackin' me up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted December 12, 2015 It goes back to immigration. 1. Actually enforce the laws we have already. 2. No more "Sanctuary Cities" 3. Modernize, make more effective and efficient our tracking system for Visas (overstayed) and guest worker programs. 4. Secure the borders better. Wether that's build up walls, use drone technology, have more border patrol, or all of that, etc. 5. Then we figure out what to do with the illegal aliens already here. It just isn't feasible to 'round em up and kick them out yee haw!' So some form of amnesty system. i.e. Marco Rubio and John Kasichs platform on the issue. minus Rubio & Kasich Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,554 Posted December 14, 2015 We can start by not calling Islam a religion and call it what it is. A cult.Religions are just really, really big cults. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 14, 2015 Religions are just really, really big cults. Most of them don't tell their followers to kill. Islam does=cult. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 14, 2015 Most of them don't tell their followers to kill. Islam does=cult. I love this game Christians are playing lately. "My stupid as Fock blood spattered fairy tale cult is better than yours." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted December 14, 2015 I love this game Christians are playing lately. "My stupid as Fock blood spattered fairy tale cult is better than yours." ....but better only because of the reformation where at least the Christians turned away from their history of sh!tty behavior, moved past it......the fairy tale assertion is dead on, but I will take the one that stopped being DB's over the one that seems intent to..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 14, 2015 I love this game Christians are playing lately. "My stupid as Fock blood spattered fairy tale cult is better than yours." My formerly blood splattered fairy tale doesn't do that stuff anymore. That one does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,300 Posted December 14, 2015 Is it really that big of a problem? Pretty much nobody dies from terrorism, statistically speaking. And illegal immigration is way down already mainly due to economic factors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 14, 2015 Is it really that big of a problem? Pretty much nobody dies from terrorism, statistically speaking. And illegal immigration is way down already mainly due to economic factors. You're right, Terrorism is no big deal. I guess we will just have to learn to live with it because some people's sensibilities are a bit too sensitive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,300 Posted December 14, 2015 You're right, Terrorism is no big deal. I guess we will just have to learn to live with it because some people's sensibilities are a bit too sensitive. It pretty much never happens, statistically speaking. Even with 9/11 it's just so, so far down the list of things you should be worried about. Not saying that it's no big deal but people act like its the leading cause of death or something. I guess I just don't like to live my life in fear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 14, 2015 You're right, Terrorism is no big deal. I guess we will just have to learn to live with it because some people's sensibilities are a bit too sensitive. We will have to learn to live with it. Because it ain't going away. Oh, and by the way. It isn't just an Islam thing. It's a tribal, cultural thing. If you reformed Islam, they'd kill for some other reason. Just like gun violence and mass shootings.:. Might as well get comfortable, because this is the new reality and it isn't going to change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 14, 2015 We will have to learn to live with it. Because it ain't going away. Oh, and by the way. It isn't just an Islam thing. It's a tribal, cultural thing. If you reformed Islam, they'd kill for some other reason. Just like gun violence and mass shootings.:. Might as well get comfortable, because this is the new reality and it isn't going to change. What you say sounds right, but I think that if terrorist attacks continue in the U.S., There is going to be action taken, and it won't be invading the wrong country this time. I feel the public will demand action, and I'm wondering what it will be. But I'm fairly certain something will be done, no matter who is holding office. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,300 Posted December 14, 2015 What you say sounds right, but I think that if terrorist attacks continue in the U.S., There is going to be action taken, and it won't be invading the wrong country this time. I feel the public will demand action, and I'm wondering what it will be. But I'm fairly certain something will be done, no matter who is holding office. Well we could do exactly what ISIS wants and get mired in another ground war in the Middle East. Seems kinda dumb to me though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 14, 2015 Well we could do exactly what ISIS wants and get mired in another ground war in the Middle East. Seems kinda dumb to me though I don't think that's going to be the reaction. But like I said, I think there will be action taken, and if I had to guess, I think it would entail some sort of immigration/travel limitations to start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 14, 2015 My formerly blood splattered fairy tale doesn't do that stuff anymore. That one does. Great. It's like Ted bundy telling Jeffery dhammer "no thanks, I gave it up." Oh, and have you ever noticed that this "reformation" you point to as stopping Christian violence (it didn't by the way, it just turned it to intra Christian sectarian violence for a century or two.) just happened to occur right around the time Europe became the worlds scientific and economic leader? The reformation wasn't a process the christian faith decided to do because it was right. It was forced on them by the forces of reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted December 14, 2015 Great. It's like Ted bundy telling Jeffery dhammer "no thanks, I gave it up." Oh, and have you ever noticed that this "reformation" you point to as stopping Christian violence (it didn't by the way, it just turned it to intra Christian sectarian violence for a century or two.) just happened to occur right around the time Europe became the worlds scientific and economic leader? The reformation wasn't a process the christian faith decided to do because it was right. It was forced on them by the forces of reason. Fine. Everything you say is right. But today, the time we are presently concerned with, Islam is the one calling for blood as part of their faith, Christianity isn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 14, 2015 Fine. Everything you say is right. But today, the time we are presently concerned with, Islam is the one calling for blood as part of their faith, Christianity isn't. My point is this. Money and commerce and science and reason tamed Christianity. Neutered it as a political entity. Middle East violence is driven more by poverty and ignorance than religion. The religion is just a tool they use to recruit and motivate the disaffected. You fix the poverty and educate those people, the problem goes away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,082 Posted December 14, 2015 It pretty much never happens, statistically speaking. Even with 9/11 it's just so, so far down the list of things you should be worried about. Not saying that it's no big deal but people act like its the leading cause of death or something. I guess I just don't like to live my life in fear Sort of like police killing blacks when compared to blacks killing blacks? Statistically speaking one pales into comparison to the other. Also where do you live? Alaska? The northwest? I'm sure illegal immigration rarely effects you. Everyday on the news there is a fatality, DWI, hit and run from an illegal here it seems. No liscense, no insurance. Public schools having to use resources away from students to track ESL students. Emergency rooms used with zero insurance. It's an issue that effects education, economy and terrorism. The number one thing a government should do and use resources (tax money) for is the national security of its citizens. That is first and foremost. You have to protect the house because if not education, infrastructure, economy etc doesn't mean anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted December 14, 2015 Most reasonable people realize that the issue of people entering legally and then overstaying their visa is a far worse problem than people entering illegally. That's why building a wall is a dumb waste of money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted December 14, 2015 Religion. Giving us hope and comfort in a world torn apart by religion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,877 Posted December 14, 2015 My point is this. Money and commerce and science and reason tamed Christianity. Neutered it as a political entity. Middle East violence is driven more by poverty and ignorance than religion. The religion is just a tool they use to recruit and motivate the disaffected. You fix the poverty and educate those people, the problem goes away. You mean Muslims aren't hypnotized by their funny book into violence? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted December 14, 2015 You mean Muslims aren't hypnotized by their funny book into violence? My daughter ordered shellfish at lunch yesterday and I decided to ignore the bible and not kill her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,082 Posted December 14, 2015 Middle East violence is driven more by poverty and ignorance than religion. The religion is just a tool they use to recruit and motivate the disaffected. You fix the poverty and educate those people, the problem goes away. You sound eerily familiar to 'Nation Buliding' as a long term solution in that region. That is sort of the conclusion the Bush Administration thought was best to combat this issue that people are so much against. Not fighting Islam istself but rather bringing stablity (i.e. kicking out dictators, education, less poverty) so Islam isn't radicalized by so many. Much like Obama has been the past 7 years, Bush has been and was vilified for every decsion he ever made by the opposing party, but.....and this may make some people's haid splode, but a few quotes from way back from Bush on the role of Islam and Terrorism. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them." President George W. Bush's Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People United States Capitol, Washington, D.C. September 20, 2001 Ours is a war not against a religion, not against the Muslim faith. But ours is a war against individuals who absolutely hate what America stands for, and hate the freedom of the Czech Republic. And therefore, we must work together to defend ourselves. And by remaining strong and united and tough, we'll prevail." Press Conference by President Bush and President Havel of Czech Republic Prague Castle, Prague, Czech Republic November 20, 2002 "Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America." Remarks by President George W. Bush in a statement to reporters during a meeting with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan The Oval Office, Washington, DC November 13, 2002 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted December 14, 2015 Religion. Giving us hope and comfort in a world torn apart by religion. Quality. Well done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,877 Posted December 14, 2015 Actively searching for and destroying any business that hires undocumented workers. Neither side of the aisle wants it to happen though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
