The Trump crew believes that the Bible justifies ripping families apart.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

Zero tolerance. The assumption is if you're here, regardless of intent condition or circumstance, you've broken the law.

 

It's ironic that the same guy who whine about Paul manafort having to go to jail before his trial is the same guy doing the same thing to immigrants.

 

Even worse. Let's see that Jose goes through the process and is exonerated. As it stands right now, there is absolutely no way of tracking or knowing where his daughter is that got separated from him at the border. How fucken stupid is that?

It's zero tolerance for border jumpers. If they are seeking asylum the law states that the kids have to be seperated from their parents , thanks to your beloved 9th circuit court of appeals. Get your facts straight boy. Pro tip: google - Seperating kids at the border -the truth - Rich Lowry.

[tubby_mcgee 686]

"If you try to come here illegally, the penalty will be separation from you kids.

Next day....

Illigals: "Hey...lets go to the USA"

 

<Caught, separated from kids>

 

Illegals: "Whoaaaa what happened? That isn't fair"

 

Dems: "Whoaaaa what happened? That isn't fair"

Again..Dems siding with criminals. Rather than get pissed that the illegal parents are risking their kids, they get pissed at the right. LOL!

 

Dems: "That dude that murdered that other guy shouldn't be separated from his family. That's not fair. Those kids miss him and love it. Its for the chilllllllllldrennnnnnnnn. What about the chillllldrennnnnnnnn???Wahhhhhhh"

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

 

just watch the first 10 mins, this sums it up for everyone

[Big Guy 1,400]

"If you try to come here illegally, the penalty will be separation from you kids.

Next day....

Illigals: "Hey...lets go to the USA"

 

<Caught, separated from kids>

 

Illegals: "Whoaaaa what happened? That isn't fair"

 

Dems: "Whoaaaa what happened? That isn't fair"

Again..Dems siding with criminals. Rather than get pissed that the illegal parents are risking their kids, they get pissed at the right. LOL!

 

Dems: "That dude that murdered that other guy shouldn't be separated from his family. That's not fair. Those kids miss him and love it. Its for the chilllllllllldrennnnnnnnn. What about the chillllldrennnnnnnnn???Wahhhhhhh"

 

[jerryskids 5,197]

 

 

Honest question, what happened before Trump and his evilness? A family arrived seeking asylum and... then what?

 

The Trump administration has introduced a "zero-tolerance" policy calling for the prosecution of all individuals who illegally enter the United States.

This policy has the effect of separating parents from their children when they enter the country together, because parents are referred for prosecution and the children are placed in the custody of a sponsor, such as a relative or foster home, or held in a shelter.

 

More than 650 children were separated from their parents during a two-week period in May as a result of the new approach being implemented.

As the Trump administration argues, referring immigrants for prosecution is not new policy. But prior administrations did not enforce the practice the way Trump has.

 

Before Trump came into office, families were detained together, sent back immediately or paroled into the country, said Peter Margulies, an immigration law and national security law professor at Roger Williams University School of Law. Now, prosecution is happening across the board and has become the uniform policy.

 

"The policy has ramped up substantially with the new administration," Margulies said. "Making that a staple of immigration policy is a new feature."

 

 

 

Thanks. If prior to Trump such children were not separated from their parents, why are all of the righties talking about pictures of kids in cages during Obama?

[Mike Honcho 4,027]

 

Thanks. If prior to Trump such children were not separated from their parents, why are all of the righties talking about pictures of kids in cages during Obama?

 

Because those kids came to the US without parents/family, not sure how long they were in cages though...until nearest relative found, foster care....

[Gladiators 1,904]

 

just watch the first 10 mins, this sums it up for everyone

 

[SenatorRock 708]

Can we please stop with the...Please show me where the outrage was a few years ago when this was happening...posts? Who cares? Focus on the present, that post has been made like 30 times in this and the other thread. We get it, its not a new policy. Can we stop posting that now? Its neither here nor there.

No we can't.

 

Remember when Obama was placing children with human trafficking? WaPo remembers.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?utm_term=.839f115f7101

[KSB2424 3,083]

 

Thanks. If prior to Trump such children were not separated from their parents, why are all of the righties talking about pictures of kids in cages during Obama?

 

Those were kids that came over by themselves, without a parent.

[5-Points 2,727]

 

Because those kids came to the US without parents/family, not sure how long they were in cages though...until nearest relative found, foster care....

I know this is what was said but I find it difficult to believe that a 6 year old from Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador made it all the way to the U.S. by him/herself. They were traveling with adults. If we're to believe that those adults weren't those kids' parents then why should we believe that these adults are these kids' parents?

[tanatastic 2,061]

No we can't.

Remember when Obama was placing children with human trafficking? WaPo remembers.https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?utm_term=.839f115f7101

Ok...Now are we done? Can we get back to 2018? Or not, this topic ran its course pages and pages ago.

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

Thanks. If prior to Trump such children were not separated from their parents, why are all of the righties talking about pictures of kids in cages during Obama?

Unaccompanied minors...as has been pointed out to the what about 2014 crew over and over.

[Herbivore 905]

 

just watch the first 10 mins, this sums it up for everyone

 

At about 9:25 he says Trump can't do anything different as a matter of operational law. But he can.

[12th Man 884]

Build the wall. Problem solved.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

 

At about 9:25 he says Trump can't do anything different as a matter of operational law. But he can.

 

yes we can choose not to follow our own laws, and if you continue listening he says that their should be a vote to change this

 

keep in mind Shapiro is a lawyer who believes in following the letter of the law

 

he explains what is actually happening though, better and more clearly than anyone I have heard from either side. Especially the asylum laws

[KSB2424 3,083]

 

yes we can choose not to follow our own laws, and if you continue listening he says that their should be a vote to change this

 

keep in mind Shapiro is a lawyer who believes in following the letter of the law

:sigh:

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579]

:sigh:

 

I know that a lot of people don't want to follow the law

 

again if you did listen you would know that not one kid has been kept from being returned to their parents

[jerryskids 5,197]

 

Because those kids came to the US without parents/family, not sure how long they were in cages though...until nearest relative found, foster care....

 

 

I know this is what was said but I find it difficult to believe that a 6 year old from Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador made it all the way to the U.S. by him/herself. They were traveling with adults. If we're to believe that those adults weren't those kids' parents then why should we believe that these adults are these kids' parents?

 

Thanks all.

 

So if I understand, under Obama, coyotes brought kids from Central American shiotholes and dropped them off so that we would take them in, but we never separated families. Correct?

[5-Points 2,727]

 

 

 

Thanks all.

 

So if I understand, under Obama, coyotes brought kids from Central American shiotholes and dropped them off so that we would take them in, but we never separated families. Correct?

That seems to be the narrative.

[KSB2424 3,083]

 

 

 

Thanks all.

 

So if I understand, under Obama, coyotes brought kids from Central American shiotholes and dropped them off so that we would take them in, but we never separated families. Correct?

 

Yes Jerry, it was coyotes.

 

I see you aren't really serious but whatever.

 

Only since the current administration, actually later than that, only when the ZERO Tolerance order was given recently has the United States policy been to separate immigrant children from their parents until they go through the "process". That's a fact. Whether you choose to believe that is up to you, but its clear to most.

 

I know you, like pretty much all of us, live in our cozy little American bubbles. However there were and are currently 11, 12, 13, 14 year old kids on their own trying to cross for whatever reason. No parents, poverty, who in God's name knows. Those were the pictures you saw in 2014. The one's you see today are three year olds in some building while their parents are somewhere else.

 

The policy changed, despite a few on the right who choose to deflect or stick their head in the sand to it.

 

Trump can be tougher on immigration. He can cease to give any pardons or amnesty or anything of the such for these families. He could have a mandatory fingerprint and deportation of the entire family. But the moral thing to do, is keep them together. It's the moral "right" thing to do. I'm 90% on the Republican side of a debate but I also have my conscience and innate feeling of whats right and whats wrong. This topic crossed that line for me. Trump is using kids as bargaining chips, as political currency. Not cool.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

No we can't.

 

Remember when Obama was placing children with human trafficking? WaPo remembers.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?utm_term=.839f115f7101

Crickets

[cbfalcon 824]

This from Steve Stivers, who is the National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman....

 

"I am writing a letter to understand the current policies and to ask the Administration to stop needlessly separating children from their parents. If the policy is not changed, I will support other means to stop unnecessary separation of children from their parents."

 

What does the guy that controls the money for Republican House candidates come November mean by "support other means to stop unnecessary separation of children from their parents"?

[cyclone24 1,814]

Did a little more reading this afternoon. Just a couple thoughts.

 

Yes the detainment and separating of kids has gone on a long time but those of us on the right can't act like this didn't get ramped up excessively since April. It's pretty clearly being used as a weapon or deterrent against illegal immigration.

 

Having said that. Those of you on the left can't fake this outrage that because the number has gone up that you are suddenly more outraged than you were before. This wasn't Trump's Law & Trump didn't build those cages.

 

In my opinion Trump is setting this up for a really easy win. It will be very easy for him to claim he didn't create this problem, he was just enforcing laws Etc.

It's true but it's also a bunch of crap. He's setting this up so he can swoop in and come up with an actual law that doesn't separate the children, use it as a pawn for an immigration bill and then be able to say he fixed immigration.

 

So no he didn't create the law or the policy but he still being an ass for ramping up the separation of children and parents. And he's doing so in my opinion just to get a layup win. Which is crap but it will also probably work.

[5-Points 2,727]

Did a little more reading this afternoon. Just a couple thoughts.

 

Yes the detainment and separating of kids has gone on a long time but those of us on the right can't act like this didn't get ramped up excessively since April. It's pretty clearly being used as a weapon or deterrent against illegal immigration.

 

Having said that. Those of you on the left can't fake this outrage that because the number has gone up that you are suddenly more outraged than you were before. This wasn't Trump's Law & Trump didn't build those cages.

 

In my opinion Trump is setting this up for a really easy win. It will be very easy for him to claim he didn't create this problem, he was just enforcing laws Etc.

It's true but it's also a bunch of crap. He's setting this up so he can swoop in and come up with an actual law that doesn't separate the children, use it as a pawn for an immigration bill and then be able to say he fixed immigration.

 

So no he didn't create the law or the policy but he still being an ass for ramping up the separation of children and parents. And he's doing so in my opinion just to get a layup win. Which is crap but it will also probably work.

He stepped up enforcement of existing law. Why would he continue the practices of previous administrations when it's precisely those practices that landed this problem on his plate in the first place?

 

In the meantime, rather than come to the table with some ideas on how to fix the problem, the dems are willing play on people's emotions for as long as it keeps paying dividends. They'll be on to something else in a week.

[fandandy 3,311]

Trump rally tomorrow. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgEFtLxX4AEQ62F.jpg:large

 

Can't wait to hear what my President has to say about this.

[wiffleball 4,639]

Hate to room any narratives, but even Republican congressman and senators are backing the fuk away from this one.

 

Lindsey Graham just threw the White House under the bus.

 

Even the Wall Street Journal bagged the White House on this one.

 

And just when I thought the evangelicos were totally worthless hypocrites, damn if they couldn't even swallow this bullshit.

 

... and Fox News is getting bagged for comparing this to summer camp. LOL

[LOD01 190]

He stepped up enforcement of existing law. Why would he continue the practices of previous administrations when it's precisely those practices that landed this problem on his plate in the first place?

 

In the meantime, rather than come to the table with some ideas on how to fix the problem, the dems are willing play on people's emotions for as long as it keeps paying dividends. They'll be on to something else in a week.

All Trump has to do is do something they consider more outrageous and they will forget all about the illegals crossing the border being separated. They have the attention span of a 3 year old. Everything he has said that has them outraged has passed and they have failed to capitalize on any of them. It's quite funny.

[LOD01 190]

Hate to room any narratives, but even Republican congressman and senators are backing the fuk away from this one.

 

Lindsey Graham just threw the White House under the bus.

 

Even the Wall Street Journal bagged the White House on this one.

 

And just when I thought the evangelicos were totally ###### worthless hypocrites, damn if they couldn't even swallow this bullshit.

 

... and Fox News is getting bagged for comparing this to summer camp. LOL

Hasn't worked for him any of the other 50 times he's attempted to throw them under the bus.

[fandandy 3,311]

Hate to room any narratives, but even Republican congressman and senators are backing the fuk away from this one.

 

Lindsey Graham just threw the White House under the bus.

 

Even the Wall Street Journal bagged the White House on this one.

 

And just when I thought the evangelicos were totally ###### worthless hypocrites, damn if they couldn't even swallow this bullshit.

 

... and Fox News is getting bagged for comparing this to summer camp. LOL

Love how they pass laws with the expectation that the President will never enforce them. Kinda like the Jerusalem Embassy Act.

[LOD01 190]

Some guy with the facts is absolutely destroying Wolf Blitzer on CNN right now.

[Mr. Hand 482]

Some guy with the facts is absolutely destroying Wolf Blitzer on CNN right now.

Sho is on CNN? According to him he is the only one with "facts".

[wiffleball 4,639]

Some guy with the facts is absolutely destroying Wolf Blitzer on CNN right now.

Is it the dude from the border patrol agents Union? So far, he seem to be the smartest, most balanced voice in all this.

[jerryskids 5,197]

 

Yes Jerry, it was coyotes.

 

I see you aren't really serious but whatever.

 

Only since the current administration, actually later than that, only when the ZERO Tolerance order was given recently has the United States policy been to separate immigrant children from their parents until they go through the "process". That's a fact. Whether you choose to believe that is up to you, but its clear to most.

 

I know you, like pretty much all of us, live in our cozy little American bubbles. However there were and are currently 11, 12, 13, 14 year old kids on their own trying to cross for whatever reason. No parents, poverty, who in God's name knows. Those were the pictures you saw in 2014. The one's you see today are three year olds in some building while their parents are somewhere else.

 

The policy changed, despite a few on the right who choose to deflect or stick their head in the sand to it.

 

Trump can be tougher on immigration. He can cease to give any pardons or amnesty or anything of the such for these families. He could have a mandatory fingerprint and deportation of the entire family. But the moral thing to do, is keep them together. It's the moral "right" thing to do. I'm 90% on the Republican side of a debate but I also have my conscience and innate feeling of whats right and whats wrong. This topic crossed that line for me. Trump is using kids as bargaining chips, as political currency. Not cool.

 

Well KSB, since we aren't being excellent to each other at this point... yeah it was coyotes, or their parents in a lot of these scenarios, unless you think all of these kids got to the border by themselves. Don't double down on stupid.

 

That being said, I'll move to the high road where I attempted to clearly demarcate that the difference now is that we are separating kids from their families. I've stated earlier in this thread or another that I don't know the details and I'm trying to educate myself. You assert that that is the case, and for now I'll take that at face value.

[KSB2424 3,083]

 

Well KSB, since we aren't being excellent to each other at this point... yeah it was coyotes, or their parents in a lot of these scenarios, unless you think all of these kids got to the border by themselves. Don't double down on stupid.

 

That being said, I'll move to the high road where I attempted to clearly demarcate that the difference now is that we are separating kids from their families. I've stated earlier in this thread or another that I don't know the details and I'm trying to educate myself. You assert that that is the case, and for now I'll take that at face value.

 

Coyotes (in this context) is a double entendre. I thought you were being a smart-arse saying <so the kids rode in on animals all by themselves>, that's my bad. You were meaning the connotation Coyote for smugglers.

 

But yes kids can get there with or without their Parents, always have. It's normal policy that if there is a family they don't separate. Until recently. The huge spike in numbers is there........

 

It's obviously a ploy by Trump to be harsher and to create political currency. Which to me is

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Well KSB, since we aren't being excellent to each other at this point... yeah it was coyotes, or their parents in a lot of these scenarios, unless you think all of these kids got to the border by themselves. Don't double down on stupid.

 

That being said, I'll move to the high road where I attempted to clearly demarcate that the difference now is that we are separating kids from their families. I've stated earlier in this thread or another that I don't know the details and I'm trying to educate myself. You assert that that is the case, and for now I'll take that at face value.

Does it really matter if the kids wandered to the border themselves, or their parents abandoned them? Multiple people have clearly explained the difference in the current policy, or enforcement thereof. KSB wasn't being stupid in response to your sarcastic coyote comment.

[LOD01 190]

Trump is dominating. look at the fucktards scrambling to fix immigration laws now. Hate on him all you want but he gets results.

[LOD01 190]

Sho is on CNN? According to him he is the only one with "facts".

No, this guy has a measureable IQ.

[LOD01 190]

Now Wolf has a panel of low IQ, complete shitheads talking about how they are winning vs Trump. Yes 'they'.

[wiffleball 4,639]

Trump is dominating. look at the fucktards scrambling to fix immigration laws now. Hate on him all you want but he gets results.

I remember after the Waldo Canyon fire here, people started trimming the trees closest to their house.

 

Sure, 5 years later they're still a massive burn Scar and millions of dollars worth of damage and a few people died, but God damn whoever started that fire was a genius in getting people to trim their trees.

[KSB2424 3,083]

This from Steve Stivers, who is the National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman....

 

"I am writing a letter to understand the current policies and to ask the Administration to stop needlessly separating children from their parents. If the policy is not changed, I will support other means to stop unnecessary separation of children from their parents."

 

What does the guy that controls the money for Republican House candidates come November mean by "support other means to stop unnecessary separation of children from their parents"?

 

This, the bolded, is the part everyone can see. Liberals, Democrats, Blue Dog Dem's, Centrists, current Republicans, most anyone EXCEPT Trump aplogists who will ride or die with anything he says or does.

 

It's simply not needed, it crosses a moral line for no good reason other than as a tool to get his way. Soulless Bully mentality.