Making a murderer

[Mungwater 588]

So who watched it?

 

I liked it and seems like there is some fishy in the case, but I just have a hard time believing that he's innocent. The directors clearly left some things out and the guy is obviously a piece of garbage.

 

Do feel bad for the nephew though, he definitely doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the situation.

 

What are your thoughts?

[BLS 313]

Where there's smoke there's fire.

 

He might be innocent of the rape, but I can't imagine he's innocent of the murder.

However, there is some seriously fishy stuff going on.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

Only seen the first few episodes so far but I am struggling to understand how he could have been framed.

 

There is a dead woman, yes?

 

This dude was the last dude that saw her alive, yes?

 

To be a frame job the cops basically would've had to kill her themselves. Otherwise that's an almost impossible coincidence. Some lady just happened to see this guy that day then just happened to die then the cops quickly planted her body, car, etc.?

 

But like I said, I haven't seen it all yet so maybe some of that is explained?

[Mungwater 588]

Only seen the first few episodes so far but I am struggling to understand how he could have been framed.

 

There is a dead woman, yes?

 

This dude was the last dude that saw her alive, yes?

 

To be a frame job the cops basically would've had to kill her themselves. Otherwise that's an almost impossible coincidence. Some lady just happened to see this guy that day then just happened to die then the cops quickly planted her body, car, etc.?

 

But like I said, I haven't seen it all yet so maybe some of that is explained?

That's what I think, the cops may think you're an , but they aren't going to kill a girl just to make you look bad.

 

I love the retarded nephew though, "I need to be back at school at 1:29..." Sorry window licker, you just confessed to a murder and a rape, they aren't going to let you and your giant jeans just waltz out of here.

[RLLD 3,455]

Netflix left our some really important information.

 

The guy's DNA is all over the victim, and his car, there may be one more....

[Mungwater 588]

Netflix left our some really important information.

 

The guy's DNA is all over the victim, and his car, there may be one more....

I don't think his DNA was on her, all they really had was a couple of bones. I did read an article where they said her cell phone was in the burn pit too, but somehow got that evidence suppressed.

[parrot 789]

Netflix left our some really important information.

 

The guy's DNA is all over the victim, and his car, there may be one more....

 

Body was burnt to bone fragments, none of his DNA there. His blood was found in her car and his DNA on the hood latch, presumably from removing the battery.

[kutulu 1,542]

Watched up to about half way through episode 8. While watching I felt like he was getting screwed again and it seems like the police did do some shady stuff, but after reflecting on it as well as some of the info that has come out that wasn't in the show I think he did probably do it. Still there are some baffling things that occurred or did not occur that you think would be there. No real desire to watch the rest though.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I'm kind of exhausted from discussing this, but there are a few articles that go over the missing evidence if you do a quick search. The producers did a great job. It's biased but it's biased because the state's legal team did not want to get involved in the documentary and Avery's legal team obviously got heavily involved. That's on the state, they deserve the fallout they are receiving because they should have been more cooperative. They just thought this would be a small-time documentary that would not get viewed by too many people. They basically gambled that it would not become anything and they lost. I think they DID try to show both sides, but they had full access to Avery's case and none to the state's, so it's not really their fault.

 

I think he should get another trial at the very least. I think the bottom line is the Manitowac county police were not suppose to be, nor shouldn't have been, involved and were heavily involved. I think that is automatic grounds for a mistrail.

 

Here's the summary of what I think: Did he do it? I don't know. I am not fully convinced either way. It did not happen the way the state said. Clearly there were evidence tampering/planting(the key made 0 sense).

 

The most powerful piece of evidence, to me, was the call that one cop made to dispatch that confirms the plates/car of Teresa's 2 days before the car was found. He could not explain that. Why? Because the only explanation was that he was found the car and did not report it. He was looking right at the plate of Teresa's car when he made that call. Steve Avery might have, and probably did(if you look at the missing evidence), kill Teresa. However, there needs to be another trial for him and their needs to be a federal investigation into the Manitowac county police department.

 

I really, really strongly believe Dassey had nothing to do with anything. I'll put it this way, he is either pure evil and really smart, or just really dumb.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Why didnt he crush her car when he has a crusher on the property? Why was it obvious the cops planted evidence? How did the lady find her car instantly in acres of cars? Why is he spending money and time to fight his innocense if he knows theres no other killer? No way he did it. It was his retarded redneck brothers.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Here are a couple of cool links if you are interested in the case:

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/making-a-murderer-burning-questions-answered#.nogm82qxYK

 

http://www.techinsider.io/making-a-murderer-who-killed-teresa-halbach-theories-2015-12

[IGotWorms 3,302]

Just seems to me like some silly social media cause celebre.

[hdaddy 17]

The amount of evidence from his first case that was missing was rather fishy. What about the two year delay in advising that someone else committed the first crime he was convicted of. The sheriffs office sounds like a bunch of lazy a$$, scheming mo fos. And Branden the nephew, that prison food must be tasty 'cause he blew the fock up!

[parrot 789]

Because the only explanation was that he was found the car and did not report it. He was looking right at the plate of Teresa's car when he made that call.

 

Or someone had given him some information and he was verifying it.

[Franknbeans 46]

I have trouble with his lack of motive. Coupled with the county's motive to pin it on him (again), I am leaning towards not guilty. There were plenty of other low lifes who could have done it and framed Avery but we'll never know once the county decided it was him.

[tubby_mcgee 686]

Just finished watching. Few things...I went back and forth "Geez...he looks guilty." "Oooh wait...he's gotta be innocent"

I guess a few things that come to mind:

Avery and Dassey intelligence: Uhhh. Both are dumber than a box of rocks. They sliced this girl up in a bed and were smart enough to get rid of all blood evidence, YET...were dumb enough to leave a key sitting out, and the car parked on the property?

The vial of blood from evidence room: Seal was broken, had a hole in the top

 

Why did it take so long to find the bullet and the Rav4 key?

 

The guy (Ex boyfriend) that found Theresa's online cell phone account username and password by GUESSING. LOL.

 

The cop that called dispatch and asked them to run a plate number, and then TOLD dispatch "That's a 99 Rav4, correct?" Sounded like he was looking right at the vehicle. No logical explanation as to how the conversation would go down like it did, other than him looking at car. The car wasn't "found" for two days later.

 

 

Mike Halbach came across to me, as having an IQ of about 80. Not much higher than that of Avery.

[parrot 789]

"That's a 99 Rav4, correct?" Sounded like he was looking right at the vehicle. No logical explanation as to how the conversation would go down like it did, other than him looking at car. The car wasn't "found" for two days later.

 

He offered a logical explanation in that he was probably confirming information from the missing person call he had received. How does he know it's a 99 by looking at it?

[KSB2424 3,082]

I don't know if he's guilty or innocent. But the incompetence of the Manitok County Sherrifs Department as well as that first defense lawyer for the kid, was incomprehensible.

[drobeski 3,061]

He offered a logical explanation in that he was probably confirming information from the missing person call he had received. How does he know it's a 99 by looking at it?

it's usually stamped on the tail lights

[iam90sbaby 2,120]

I saw this theory on an article and it is the one that I believe...

 

This is a theory I saw on a Youtube comment and I had to share it…

“The police didn’t kill Theresa Halbach. Andrew Colborn located that RAV4 with the assistance of Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas who illegally trespassed onto the Avery Salvage Yard on the night of November 3rd 2005. Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas suspected something was up since the Avery Salvage Yard was the last place they knew Theresa visited on Oct.31st Halloween day. They went snooping on the property and found the car. They checked the car and found the key in the ignition and blood in the cargo area. Mike or Ryan removed the key from the ignition to ensure that no one could easily move the car off of the Avery property… freaked out about this huge discovery they call the Manitowoc Sheriffs Department. Andrew Colborn fielded the call that night and went out and met Ryan and Mike at the Salvage Yard so he could view the car for himself. Ryan and Mike show him the car and to be certain its Halbachs he “calls” in the plate number to dispatch. Colborn has to “call” in… instead of “radio” in… the plate number to Manitowoc dispatch because he wasn’t in his police cruiser at the moment, but rather on foot and in the “field’ on the Avery Salvage property. This mistake places Colborn at the scene and in contact with Halbachs RAV4… 2 days before it is officially located on November 5th, 2005, by Pam Sturm….

This is problematic for Colborn because all call and radio transmissions to dispatch are recorded and logged onto the Manitowoc Police server. Andrew Colborn is now operating outside of police protocol at a potential crime scene that he has no official directive to be at. He tells Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas to basically STFU about what they found and not mention to anyone that they were ever on the Avery Salvage property that night. Ryan or Mike turns the RAV4 key over to Andrew Colborn. Mike and Ryan are told to go home. Andrew Colborn then immediately calls Lt. James Lenk and briefs him about the discovery of the Halbach car and breaches of protocol he committed on the Avery property, also about Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach being there. Lt James Lenk realizing that Colborn’s calling in Halbachs plate is a serious mistake with potential consequences orders Andrew Colborn to remove the license plate from Halbach’s car and then report to him immediately.

What James Lenk and Andrew Colborn, or the others for that matter, don’t realize at this point and are completely unaware of is that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych have kidnapped, raped, shot and then burned Theresa Halbach in the privacy of the gravel quarry off of Jambo Rd on Halloween evening. They choose to burn her body to dispose of their DNA evidence of the crimes. They hid Halbach’s car in the rear of Avery Salvage and wiped it clean of their prints. I believe it is Scott Tadych’s idea to secretly transport the cremains of Halbach from the gravel quarry and dispose them into Steven Avery’s burn pit. Scott Tadych transports Halbach’s cremains in secret by using one of Barb Jandas burn barrels from her yard. Scott Tadych fails to collect all of Halbach’s cremains from the original burn site in the gravel quarry, thus leaving some behind that FBI investigators later find… but he also fails in making certain all of Halbach’s cremains are out of Barb Jandas burn barrel after dumping them into Steven Avery’s burn pit. This is why investigators found small bits of Halbach in Barb Jandas burn barrel. Thus making a total of three sites where Halbach’s cremains are found. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey are unaware that Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach have found Theresas car on the property and that Lenk and Colborn are now involved and in play with their scheme.

By shear colossal luck, two completely independent frame jobs targeting one man, Steven Avery were shaping up into the perfect storm. On one front, from Lenk and Colborn regarding the RAV4, ….and on the other unconnected front by Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey regarding the cremains of Theresa Halbach. One party wasn’t aware of the other’s involvements at any point during the days leading up to the official discovery of Halbach’s RAV4 at the Avery Salvage Yard hence why the investigation and murder trial made zero sense to anyone especially the Jury.

None of the evidence could be connected because it was all unrelated… everybody was guessing. But Buting and Strang had zeroed in on a part of it but couldn’t fully form a solid defense to prove it. The Jury couldn’t conceive that Manitowoc officers could have conspired to kill Theresa Halbach to frame Steven Avery as Ken Kratz insisted they had to if they wanted to follow the theory the defense presented of the frame up of Steven Avery by Manitowoc officials. And Ken Kratz was right… Imagine Scott Tadych’s confused and utter relief when Steve Avery’s blood was found in the Halbach car and the RAV4 key found in Steve Avery’s bedroom….. he must have been like…. WTF?! A quote from Scott Tadych after Steven Avery is convicted of Theresa Halbach’s murder…. “THIS IS THE GREATEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN” ….. We will see Scott, we will see…………………”

This is probably the most credible theory I have come across so far. Notice how the events here not only make logical sense, but they also line up with how many of the parties involved behaved during the documentary i.e how Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas seemed like they knew more about what happened than they were leading on. As well as Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey’s bizarre hostility towards Steven Avery.
I can’t see another theory topping this one personally.

[KSB2424 3,082]

I have no clue who's guilty but that Scott dude and Bobby Dassey were both shady characters.

 

It would surprise me none if they did it on that property, where they also lived.

[Reality 2,710]

I saw this theory on an article and it is the one that I believe...

 

This is a theory I saw on a Youtube comment and I had to share it…

“The police didn’t kill Theresa Halbach. Andrew Colborn located that RAV4 with the assistance of Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas who illegally trespassed onto the Avery Salvage Yard on the night of November 3rd 2005. Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas suspected something was up since the Avery Salvage Yard was the last place they knew Theresa visited on Oct.31st Halloween day. They went snooping on the property and found the car. They checked the car and found the key in the ignition and blood in the cargo area. Mike or Ryan removed the key from the ignition to ensure that no one could easily move the car off of the Avery property… freaked out about this huge discovery they call the Manitowoc Sheriffs Department. Andrew Colborn fielded the call that night and went out and met Ryan and Mike at the Salvage Yard so he could view the car for himself. Ryan and Mike show him the car and to be certain its Halbachs he “calls” in the plate number to dispatch. Colborn has to “call” in… instead of “radio” in… the plate number to Manitowoc dispatch because he wasn’t in his police cruiser at the moment, but rather on foot and in the “field’ on the Avery Salvage property. This mistake places Colborn at the scene and in contact with Halbachs RAV4… 2 days before it is officially located on November 5th, 2005, by Pam Sturm….

This is problematic for Colborn because all call and radio transmissions to dispatch are recorded and logged onto the Manitowoc Police server. Andrew Colborn is now operating outside of police protocol at a potential crime scene that he has no official directive to be at. He tells Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas to basically STFU about what they found and not mention to anyone that they were ever on the Avery Salvage property that night. Ryan or Mike turns the RAV4 key over to Andrew Colborn. Mike and Ryan are told to go home. Andrew Colborn then immediately calls Lt. James Lenk and briefs him about the discovery of the Halbach car and breaches of protocol he committed on the Avery property, also about Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach being there. Lt James Lenk realizing that Colborn’s calling in Halbachs plate is a serious mistake with potential consequences orders Andrew Colborn to remove the license plate from Halbach’s car and then report to him immediately.

What James Lenk and Andrew Colborn, or the others for that matter, don’t realize at this point and are completely unaware of is that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych have kidnapped, raped, shot and then burned Theresa Halbach in the privacy of the gravel quarry off of Jambo Rd on Halloween evening. They choose to burn her body to dispose of their DNA evidence of the crimes. They hid Halbach’s car in the rear of Avery Salvage and wiped it clean of their prints. I believe it is Scott Tadych’s idea to secretly transport the cremains of Halbach from the gravel quarry and dispose them into Steven Avery’s burn pit. Scott Tadych transports Halbach’s cremains in secret by using one of Barb Jandas burn barrels from her yard. Scott Tadych fails to collect all of Halbach’s cremains from the original burn site in the gravel quarry, thus leaving some behind that FBI investigators later find… but he also fails in making certain all of Halbach’s cremains are out of Barb Jandas burn barrel after dumping them into Steven Avery’s burn pit. This is why investigators found small bits of Halbach in Barb Jandas burn barrel. Thus making a total of three sites where Halbach’s cremains are found. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey are unaware that Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach have found Theresas car on the property and that Lenk and Colborn are now involved and in play with their scheme.

By shear colossal luck, two completely independent frame jobs targeting one man, Steven Avery were shaping up into the perfect storm. On one front, from Lenk and Colborn regarding the RAV4, ….and on the other unconnected front by Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey regarding the cremains of Theresa Halbach. One party wasn’t aware of the other’s involvements at any point during the days leading up to the official discovery of Halbach’s RAV4 at the Avery Salvage Yard hence why the investigation and murder trial made zero sense to anyone especially the Jury.

None of the evidence could be connected because it was all unrelated… everybody was guessing. But Buting and Strang had zeroed in on a part of it but couldn’t fully form a solid defense to prove it. The Jury couldn’t conceive that Manitowoc officers could have conspired to kill Theresa Halbach to frame Steven Avery as Ken Kratz insisted they had to if they wanted to follow the theory the defense presented of the frame up of Steven Avery by Manitowoc officials. And Ken Kratz was right… Imagine Scott Tadych’s confused and utter relief when Steve Avery’s blood was found in the Halbach car and the RAV4 key found in Steve Avery’s bedroom….. he must have been like…. WTF?! A quote from Scott Tadych after Steven Avery is convicted of Theresa Halbach’s murder…. “THIS IS THE GREATEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN” ….. We will see Scott, we will see…………………”

This is probably the most credible theory I have come across so far. Notice how the events here not only make logical sense, but they also line up with how many of the parties involved behaved during the documentary i.e how Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas seemed like they knew more about what happened than they were leading on. As well as Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey’s bizarre hostility towards Steven Avery.

I can’t see another theory topping this one personally.

 

Thanks, an Interesting read.

[parrot 789]

 

I can’t see another theory topping this one personally.

 

Steven Avery did it.

 

That was easy.

[KSB2424 3,082]

 

Steven Avery did it.

 

That was easy.

Even after the documentary, I'd lean this way.

 

But I was appauled at the actions of some of those Law Enforcement Officers. Enough to have reasonable doubt.

 

1. The current Sheriff of that county was on the stand saying he still thought Avery committed the rape back in 1995. Even after DNA confirmed it was the other guy and the other guy pretty much admitted to it to a cell mate. It was weird. He was hell bent and even all the evidence, including conclusive DNA would't change his mind. Not the mindset of a active LEO should have.

 

2. The fact that the new prosecutor told the public that the Mantiowok (however the fock you spell it) Count Sheriffs office would NOT be a part of the murder case except for use of equipment. Then detective Lenk was at every crime scene, the one finding evidence, was there on the scene for all of it months apart. That was B.S. Even if Lenk was on the up and up, and Avery was guilty, the fact he was there was wrong. It was as case of conflict of interest and a police/sheriffs dept should know better.

 

3. I did not like the way that forced confession went with the Dassey kid. He was obviously a rung below normal and 16 years old. They pretty much told him what to say and without a lawyer or his mother. Even if all of it was true, it felt wrong.

[parrot 789]

Even after the documentary, I'd lean this way.

 

But I was appauled at the actions of some of those Law Enforcement Officers. Enough to have reasonable doubt.

 

The problem with talking about reasonable doubt relative to the documentary is that we are shown maybe a couple hours footage of a 5 week trial, with a heavy slant towards the defense.

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

Even after the documentary, I'd lean this way.

 

But I was appauled at the actions of some of those Law Enforcement Officers. Enough to have reasonable doubt.

 

Agreed. Lack of evidence that Teresa was ever inside his trailer, no definitive murder weapon, LEO's being on his property when they shouldn't have been there at all would give me considerable pause to convict.

[iam90sbaby 2,120]

Even after the documentary, I'd lean this way.

 

But I was appauled at the actions of some of those Law Enforcement Officers. Enough to have reasonable doubt.

 

The way Law Enforcement handled the case should exonerate Avery alone. The way they went about things, and all the shadiness behind it is enough reasonable doubt for me whether he did it or not. INNOCENT until proven guilty, and they were FAR from proving him guilty. Its better to let 100 guilty men go than put 1 innocent man in prison just to prevent things like this from happening.

[parrot 789]

 

Agreed. Lack of evidence that Teresa was ever inside his trailer, no definitive murder weapon, LEO's being on his property when they shouldn't have been there at all would give me considerable pause to convict.

 

The bullet with her DNA was positively matched to the rifle in his bedroom. When were LEOs on his property that they shouldn't have been?

[KSB2424 3,082]

 

The problem with talking about reasonable doubt relative to the documentary is that we are shown maybe a couple hours footage of a 5 week trial, with a heavy slant towards the defense.

 

I get that, which is why I still have an open mind. But I edited my post to add some things that I don't give a fock what else was omitted I'd be hard to change my mind on those few things.

[parrot 789]

and they were FAR from proving him guilty.

 

Lol. He calls her out to his place, is the last person known to have seen her alive, her burned bones are found behind his house, he happens to have a bonfire the night she disappears, her personal affects found in a burn barrel near his house, her car is found on his property with both her and his blood in it, his DNA is found under her hood, a bullet matched to a rifle in his house is found in his garage with her DNA, his nephew testifies that they cleaned up a large stain in his garage the night she disappeared, other evidence and testimony corroborates this.

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

 

The bullet with her DNA was positively matched to the rifle in his bedroom. When were LEOs on his property that they shouldn't have been?

 

I don't believe that was the case, I think they matched shell casings, but the bullet(too flattened) could not be definitively matched to that gun.

[parrot 789]

 

I don't believe that was the case, I think they matched shell casings, but the bullet could not be definitively matched to that gun.

Nope. Read the transcripts.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

 

The problem with talking about reasonable doubt relative to the documentary is that we are shown maybe a couple hours footage of a 5 week trial, with a heavy slant towards the defense.

This. I think a lot of people have been had with this "documentary"

[KSB2424 3,082]

 

Lol. He calls her out to his place, is the last person known to have seen her alive, her burned bones are found behind his house, he happens to have a bonfire the night she disappears, her personal affects found in a burn barrel near his house, her car is found on his property with both her and his blood in it, his DNA is found under her hood, a bullet matched to a rifle in his house is found in his garage with her DNA, his nephew testifies that they cleaned up a large stain in his garage the night she disappeared, other evidence and testimony corroborates this.

 

Lots of other people live on that property.

 

Somehow hardly no evidence of DNA from the victem in the Avery house. Supposedly they tied her up and raped her and worse in the house but there was no DNA. These idiots aren't smart enough to wipe down do that degree evidence in that way.

 

Conflict of Interest should have had half the officers who found stuff not even be there. Conflict of interest doesn't mean you are doing something wrong, just the fact you are there shines a negative light and puts anything found into question.

 

Also, I have less doubt about Avery as I do the Dassey kid. They found no DNA from him. They had nothing but that forced confession. I have serious doubt about that verdict. Avery? Meh, If I had to guess he's probably guilty. But the kid I have questions, serious questions.

[parrot 789]

 

Lots of other people live on that property.

 

Somehow hardly no evidence of DNA from the victem in the Avery house. Supposedly they tied her up and raped her and worse in the house but there was no DNA. These idiots aren't smart enough to wipe down do that degree evidence in that way.

 

Conflict of Interest should have had half the officers who found stuff not even be there. Conflict of interest doesn't mean you are doing something wrong, just the fact you are there shines a negative light and puts anything found into question.

 

Also, I have less doubt about Avery as I do the Dassey kid. They found no DNA from him. They had nothing but that forced confession. I have serious doubt about that verdict. Avery? Meh, If I had to guess he's probably guilty. But the kid I have questions, serious questions.

 

I go back and forth on her being in the house. I think it's possible she was in the house, and may even have been raped there, but I think it's also possible that she was taken/lured to somewhere else on the property and assaulted.

 

I agree with you mostly about Dassey. I believe he was there for the fire, and may have seen the body. I'm also pretty damn sure he helped Steven clean up a stain in the garage. Everything else is highly suspect. And it's total bullsh!t the things he was convicted of.

[iam90sbaby 2,120]

 

Lol. He calls her out to his place, is the last person known to have seen her alive, her burned bones are found behind his house, he happens to have a bonfire the night she disappears, her personal affects found in a burn barrel near his house, her car is found on his property with both her and his blood in it, his DNA is found under her hood, a bullet matched to a rifle in his house is found in his garage with her DNA, his nephew testifies that they cleaned up a large stain in his garage the night she disappeared, other evidence and testimony corroborates this.

 

I don't think you understand the reach of the "The Man" if they wanted to pin it on him, they could have done all that. What about the fact that they were on the property for four focking days before they found the keys? And it isn't like they were hidden or anything. The other thing that bothers me is where they found the the blood in the Rav4... You are telling me he cleans up the entire property, burns her remains, goes threw all these steps to insure he isn't caught and then forgets to clean blood spot (which is very noticeable) RIGHT next to the ignition? Come on no one is that stupid. He would have checked that vehicle a million times and would have surely noticed it. That blood spot just seemed placed there, and a lot of their evidence seemed staged.

[KSB2424 3,082]

 

I go back and forth on her being in the house. I think it's possible she was in the house, and may even have been raped there, but I think it's also possible that she was taken/lured to somewhere else on the property and assaulted.

 

I agree with you mostly about Dassey. I believe he was there for the fire, and may have seen the body. I'm also pretty damn sure he helped Steven clean up a stain in the garage. Everything else is highly suspect. And it's total bullsh!t the things he was convicted of.

 

I think you and I are close to the same thinking on this. To tie a bow around it here is my thoughts after I watched the last episode:

 

1. It was highly entertaining. The series was 10 one hour shows and I watched it in three sittings. I couldn't stop, the cliff hangers at the end of each episode were to much. Well worth the time.

 

2. If I had to guess I think Steven Avery did it. I was watching telling myself we are seeing only half the story and took it all with a grain of salt. I have some doubts, but if I had to guess he did it.

 

3. Even with number 2 above, I was astounded by the lack of decision making and incompetence by some of those officers, lawyers and prosecutors. Their actions should be documented as training material for other departments about how NOT to go about an investigation.

 

4. I have serious doubts about what they charged and convicted the Dassey kid with. And how they did it. Unless there is something huge missing, like HUGE, then man, that is pretty bad imo.

[parrot 789]

 

I don't think you understand the reach of the "The Man" if they wanted to pin it on him, they could have done all that.

 

I would say this is a highly debatable point, but even if I were agree to this premise, that they "could" have done all this, there is not one piece of genuine evidence that indicates that they "did" do it. It's total speculation on the part of Avery's defense team and the film-makers.

[nzoner 936]

I saw this theory on an article and it is the one that I believe...

 

I agree with this theory as well,in fact during the episode when Bobby and Scott were testifying I wasn't buying it,hell as I recall their timelines were even off.

 

And as far as Teresa being tied to the bed and her throat cut I'd have to think some kind of evidence had to be left behind proving that.

[KSB2424 3,082]

 

The way Law Enforcement handled the case should exonerate Avery alone.

 

Exonerate? No

 

I do think it can be argued that an appeal or a new trial may be warranted though.