Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 26, 2014 http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/268724681.html Surface makes it look like the $10mil per he wanted...guessing under the surface it will look like 8 or so per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphster 274 Posted July 26, 2014 Good for him and your Packers Sho Nuff! Jordy deserved it. Let's hope them hammys hold on for one more run! Aside: Locking up Jordy and drafting all those WRs - you think Cobb goes somewhere else now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 26, 2014 I think they still would like to keep Cobb. TT does not like to let younger talent get away. Their free agents for next year are very manageable. Boykin is restricted and likely the odd one out if they can manage to get Cobb. The only other major free agent next year would be Bulaga...and he still needs to stay healthy and show something to earn any type of big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphster 274 Posted July 26, 2014 Do you think the Boykin kid gets bumped next year? I thought he did a helluva job when pressed into the lineup due to injuries last year. So much so that I've been trying to trade for him... Maybe I should rethink that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 26, 2014 Do you think the Boykin kid gets bumped next year? I thought he did a helluva job when pressed into the lineup due to injuries last year. So much so that I've been trying to trade for him... Maybe I should rethink that... If they lock up Cobb...yes, I think Boykin is gone. I think he will be down to #4 by the end of this year. I think part of drafting so many WRs was a contigency if they could not lock up Cobb and/or Nelson. But also that if they could get both signed that Boykin, while he filled in well, isn't anything special and they will let him walk. Boykin's value is only if Cobb or Nelson get hurt right now. And that only lasts as long as he holds off the younger guys himself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vrabinec 19 Posted July 26, 2014 Wow, that's a load of money for a guy his age. I really thought they'd pass. Good deal for him IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 26, 2014 Wow, that's a load of money for a guy his age. I really thought they'd pass. Good deal for him IMO. Guessing the structure of it makes it easy for them to cut bait with about 2 years left on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 27, 2014 Wow, that's a load of money for a guy his age. I really thought they'd pass. Good deal for him IMO.Jordy is only 29 and wrs don't hit a wall at 30 like rbs. He can easily have 4 pro bowl years and play out that contract. Side note, is this the highest contract ever for a white wr? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ffgiant 10 Posted July 27, 2014 This is a reasonable contract for both play and team. Typical Packers signing. This is why they are a perennial playoff team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 27, 2014 This is a reasonable contract for both play and team. Typical Packers signing. This is why they are a perennial playoff team. This too. Usually when teams make decisions I agree with, they are no brainers. When I disagree, I just laugh and say I could run a team a better just with common sense and madden skills. But when TT and the packers make a move I disagree with, I take a step back and try to find the angle im not seeing, cuz hes usually right. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 27, 2014 This is a reasonable contract for both play and team. Typical Packers signing. This is why they are a perennial playoff team. Well...that and that #12 guy. But TT and his staff do a great job scouting and negotiating deals. They set a price and typically don't go over what he wants to play. He also typically spends quite wisely and not overpaying on older talent. We will see if his move for Peppers pays off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted July 30, 2014 All Jordy does is go out there and catch balls. He has height, hands, speed, and route running ability. He a top 10 talent, but he isn't flashy, so a lot of fans over look his skill level. I don't think I have ever seen someone so talented and so under-rated around the league. This is a great deal for the Pack. As for Jordy, I am guessing if he walked and talked more like the diva elite, he would have made more money over his career, but he is still getting good money. as for Boykins... he i a good sub, but if Adams pans out and Nelson and Cobb are both locked in and healthy, then Boykins is gone next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 31, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/31/the-full-jordy-nelson-breakdown/ Looks like a very friendly deal for the team. Nelson gets a nice chunk of change in cash up front...last 2 years of the deal look like they either will release him or restructure (unless he is playing at that high of a level then). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted July 31, 2014 Cobb will be gone next year. He's gonna want money similar to Jordy and he simply isn't worth it. Not to mention the fact that they addressed the WR position in the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 31, 2014 Cobb will be gone next year. He's gonna want money similar to Jordy and he simply isn't worth it. Not to mention the fact that they addressed the WR position in the draft. Given how the deal is structured...Id pay Cobb what Nelson just got easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted July 31, 2014 Cobb will be gone next year. He's gonna want money similar to Jordy and he simply isn't worth it. Not to mention the fact that they addressed the WR position in the draft. They still have money left for Cobb. I think it will depend on his contributions and health this year. I think it is more likely that they sign Cobb and then release Boykins. They would then have Cobb, Nelson, and then a horde of young players. If Adams pans out, then that would be a scary crew to have Rodgers throw them the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted July 31, 2014 They "could" pay him, sure... However, TT let Jennings walk in a similar scenario a few years ago. And why would you pay the same amount to Cobb when he is not nearly as productive as Nelson is? I just don't see that happening after they drafted 3 WRs this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 31, 2014 They "could" pay him, sure... However, TT let Jennings walk in a similar scenario a few years ago. And why would you pay the same amount to Cobb when he is not nearly as productive as Nelson is? I just don't see that happening after they drafted 3 WRs this year. They feel the same way, its Cobbs performance this year that will dictate what they do. He could even be a stellar trade chip if he plays well but they dont want to pay him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted July 31, 2014 They "could" pay him, sure... However, TT let Jennings walk in a similar scenario a few years ago. And why would you pay the same amount to Cobb when he is not nearly as productive as Nelson is? I just don't see that happening after they drafted 3 WRs this year. Jennings had hit his peak though. There was no value in resigning Jennings to a big contract. The Packers don't like to pay retail for peaked players all that often. I think there is still a ton of potential from Cobb. Plus Rodgers likes the dude. That can go a long way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted July 31, 2014 I feel like they paid too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 31, 2014 They "could" pay him, sure... However, TT let Jennings walk in a similar scenario a few years ago. And why would you pay the same amount to Cobb when he is not nearly as productive as Nelson is? I just don't see that happening after they drafted 3 WRs this year. Cobb will be 24 in a month. Jennings was 28. That and already had turned down a large large offer. Because look at the structure of the deal...look at the first 3 years of it...pay Cobb about 5 mil a year with around a 10 mil bonus. Hell yes. Thing is...Nelson and the guys they drafted don't have the skill set that Cobb can bring. He has been hurt...there is no doubt about that...but if he stays healthy this year...his value is going to go beyond what Nelson just got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 31, 2014 I feel like they paid too much. The base salaries are $2 million, $1.3 million, $5.5 million, $8.25 million, and $9.25 million from 2014 through 2018. The cap numbers in those years are $5.925 million, $4.6 million, $8.8 million, $11.55 million, and $12.55 million. Look at the first 3 years...as the last 2 aren't likely to be seen. How is paying him 2 million, 1.3 million, 5.5 million with those lowish cap numbers paying a guy like Nelson too much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted July 31, 2014 Cobb will be 24 in a month. Jennings was 28. That and already had turned down a large large offer. Because look at the structure of the deal...look at the first 3 years of it...pay Cobb about 5 mil a year with around a 10 mil bonus. Hell yes. Thing is...Nelson and the guys they drafted don't have the skill set that Cobb can bring. He has been hurt...there is no doubt about that...but if he stays healthy this year...his value is going to go beyond what Nelson just got. Jennings had hit his peak though. There was no value in resigning Jennings to a big contract. The Packers don't like to pay retail for peaked players all that often. I think there is still a ton of potential from Cobb. Plus Rodgers likes the dude. That can go a long way. Wide receivers don't peak at 28. Come on... they just paid a 29 year old Jordy Nelson, 10 million a year. And he deserves every penny of it. The difference is that Jennings and Cobb are both smaller WRs, who simply aren't as dominant as their bigger peers. TT knows this... Cobb can bring what to the table exactly? Maybe like 105 catches, 1050 yards and 6-8 TDs? So, he's basically a Julian Edelman WR.... Those are a dime a dozen! if you have Nelson and Adams on the outside, you can find a slot WR for WAY cheaper then 10MM/per... It's a business baby! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted July 31, 2014 Cobb is not quite there...but more like a Harvin than an Edelman. And who said anything about 10 mil per year? Are you still stuck on the total contract price that Nelson got despite me posting the structure and explaining how its not a 10 mil per year deal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted July 31, 2014 Cobb is not quite there...but more like a Harvin than an Edelman. And who said anything about 10 mil per year? Are you still stuck on the total contract price that Nelson got despite me posting the structure and explaining how its not a 10 mil per year deal? No, I'm not stuck on anything. A contract is a contract, but if you want to talk just the 1st 3 years then we can... 2 million, $1.3 million, $5.5 million + 11.5 million singing bonus is 20.3 million So, basically 6.75MM/year... Cobb could want more than that, but even if he wanted something equal, paying him almost 7MM/year just doesn't seem likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted August 1, 2014 No, I'm not stuck on anything. A contract is a contract, but if you want to talk just the 1st 3 years then we can... 2 million, $1.3 million, $5.5 million + 11.5 million singing bonus is 20.3 million And then other bonuses like the 500k per year for making workouts. Not sure the total roster but think the money would have been better spent on the D. So, basically 6.75MM/year... Cobb could want more than that, but even if he wanted something equal, paying him almost 7MM/year just doesn't seem likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted August 1, 2014 No, I'm not stuck on anything. A contract is a contract, but if you want to talk just the 1st 3 years then we can... 2 million, $1.3 million, $5.5 million + 11.5 million singing bonus is 20.3 million And then other bonuses like the 500k per year for making workouts. Not sure the total roster but think the money would have been better spent on the D. So, basically 6.75MM/year... Cobb could want more than that, but even if he wanted something equal, paying him almost 7MM/year just doesn't seem likely. And then other bonuses like 500k per year for making workouts. Not sure of the total roster just think the money might have been better spent on the D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted August 1, 2014 No, I'm not stuck on anything. A contract is a contract, but if you want to talk just the 1st 3 years then we can... 2 million, $1.3 million, $5.5 million + 11.5 million singing bonus is 20.3 million So, basically 6.75MM/year... Cobb could want more than that, but even if he wanted something equal, paying him almost 7MM/year just doesn't seem likely. Which is under the 10 million you stated...quite a bit under. 7mm a year seems like a decent deal if he has a season that keeps him healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted August 1, 2014 And then other bonuses like 500k per year for making workouts. Not sure of the total roster just think the money might have been better spent on the D. Like on Burnett, Clay, Peppers, Tramon, Shields, Hawk, Jones, Neal...all guys who got paid recently. There are very few on D that will be FAs coming up. Bush and Tramon are 2...that are likely gone. Tramon coming off the books will also free up a nice chunk of change. Raji is the wildcard in all of this. He could thrive being back at NT...or just be average and not worth what he wanted...which is why he came back cheap. The O is where FA is starting to hit (Bulaga, Barclay, Cobb...and before the extension, Nelson) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted August 1, 2014 Which is under the 10 million you stated...quite a bit under. 7mm a year seems like a decent deal if he has a season that keeps him healthy. The 10 million I stated is what the contract is for...That is the actual number... You're the one who wants to "fake" the numbers by only looking at 3 years. And then you want to look at just his salary and totally ignore his bonuses. Either way, you don't pay a WR like Cobb 7MM a year when you can get one for half that. I'd be shocked if they do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted August 1, 2014 The 10 million I stated is what the contract is for...That is the actual number... You're the one who wants to "fake" the numbers by only looking at 3 years. And then you want to look at just his salary and totally ignore his bonuses. Either way, you don't pay a WR like Cobb 7MM a year when you can get one for half that. I'd be shocked if they do. Only its not even for $10 million a year. It was a 4 year extension worth 39 million total. Under 10 as it is...he is getting less than that this year which brings the average down even more. And most reasonable people will also see that the last 2 years are not even likely to be seen. Agents and reporters love the total deal to talk about this huge money. People with rational minds can see where the ACTUAL money he will earn really is. Its not fake numbers..it is what is likely to be seen. You can't get someone like Cobb for less than that without getting very lucky in the draft. It would be nice if Abbrederris was like that...but he simply is not as talented as Cobb...and I like Abby pretty well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted August 1, 2014 Was trying to breakdown this contract a bit more, they certainly make it confusing. But it looks like this year Jordy was to make $4.375 mil, the extension put some more money toward this years cap. The next 4 years max out at $37.5 mil. Assuming they do not cut him this year... 2015 - he plays, they cut him at season end. Average per year = 8.7 mil(5.9 + 4.6 +6.9)/2 2016 - 7.975 mil/yr 2017 - 8,293,375/yr 2018 - 8,685,000/yr Is that right? if so, too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted August 1, 2014 Wide receivers don't peak at 28. Come on... they just paid a 29 year old Jordy Nelson, 10 million a year. And he deserves every penny of it. The difference is that Jennings and Cobb are both smaller WRs, who simply aren't as dominant as their bigger peers. TT knows this... Cobb can bring what to the table exactly? Maybe like 105 catches, 1050 yards and 6-8 TDs? So, he's basically a Julian Edelman WR.... Those are a dime a dozen! if you have Nelson and Adams on the outside, you can find a slot WR for WAY cheaper then 10MM/per... It's a business baby! Peak doesn't always coincide with age. Jennings hasn't done anything substantial since 2010. Some of that is due to injury, but a lot has to do with Jordy's consistency and becoming Rodgers favorite target. TT has a good eye for when to let a player go and when to keep them a bit longer. You don't see too many players leaving the Packers and actually playing better. There is a reason for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted August 1, 2014 Peak doesn't always coincide with age. Jennings hasn't done anything substantial since 2010. Some of that is due to injury, but a lot has to do with Jordy's consistency and becoming Rodgers favorite target. TT has a good eye for when to let a player go and when to keep them a bit longer. You don't see too many players leaving the Packers and actually playing better. There is a reason for that. And you don't see many he keeps that then struggle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted August 1, 2014 http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/source-packers-receiver-jared-abbrederis-tore-acl-b99322747z1-269587251.html Things change with the WR corps with rookie tearing his ACL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 1, 2014 Boykin possibly a little safer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted August 2, 2014 Boykin possibly a little safer I think Adams is still the threat to him. Abbrederis more of a slot and return guy. Was no sure thing to make the 53...still sucks to not find out how he would have done this year and now be behind so much even for next year having to rehab. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 2, 2014 I think Adams is still the threat to him. Abbrederis more of a slot and return guy. Was no sure thing to make the 53...still sucks to not find out how he would have done this year and now be behind so much even for next year having to rehab. Oh yeah i dont put him above adams, i meant he may be safer for next year. He should make the roster this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted August 2, 2014 You don't see too many players leaving the Packers and actually playing better. There is a reason for that. And you don't see many he keeps that then struggle. Ya, it's called Aaron Rodgers... Let's face it... unless a WR leaves and goes to the Saints, Broncos or Pats, there is going to be a drop in production.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted August 2, 2014 Ya, it's called Aaron Rodgers... Let's face it... unless a WR leaves and goes to the Saints, Broncos or Pats, there is going to be a drop in production.... Notice we were talking about all players, not just WRs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
