socialism

[crackattack 513]

 

Medicare dictates what rates they will pay to health care providers, who then pass along the difference to the private sector. Some doctors live with it because medicare patients tend to need more care but many don't. My primary care physician stopped taking medicare patients a couple years ago due to the reduced payment amounts.

And that's a problem for our poor. Dr's are choosing profit over care. Our poor then have to travel further, dr search, end up in the ER's because no family dr will see them. That's a problem.

[lickin_starfish 1,478]

More Government control is a good thing. The Gov knows what is best for us. Would you know how big of a soda you should drink without being told? Would you still use dangerous straws in your drinks?

 

Guide us to safety and prosperity, Big Gov!

[Strike 3,950]

I honestly don't know. How can we force drug companies to lower prices without government intervention? Competition? That hasn't worked. If the government intervenes people yell socialism. I have no clue, but the free market has failed. It's killing our lower middle class/working poor. Premiums are to high. Drug costs are rising. Medical costs in general are rising. It's a complex issue. But imo our health care system is a failure to over half our population. If not more.

 

5% of our population makes up 50% of health care spending. There is no way the system fails 50% of the population. There are so many factors to consider. I'm not going to get in to them here because no one even acknowledges the real problems and I've offered solutions in the past. Look at MDCTroll. He wants the government to take over the whole thing. And I just don't get the attitude that every time we have a problem we just let the government take it over. Given the government's history that stance is idiotic to me.

[Gladiators 1,903]

I think we are where we are on the healthcare side mostly because of litigation.

[MDC 5,877]

 

Medicare dictates what rates they will pay to health care providers, who then pass along the difference to the private sector. Some doctors live with it because medicare patients tend to need more care but many don't. My primary care physician stopped taking medicare patients a couple years ago due to the reduced payment amounts.

So what? Medicare is cheaper than private HC and patients like it better. Everyone wants to get paid more including your doctor.

[crackattack 513]

 

5% of our population makes up 50% of health care spending. There is no way the system fails 50% of the population. There are so many factors to consider. I'm not going to get in to them here because no one even acknowledges the real problems and I've offered solutions in the past. Look at MDCTroll. He wants the government to take over the whole thing. And I just don't get the attitude that every time we have a problem we just let the government take it over. Given the government's history that stance is idiotic to me.

It is complex. I could type forever on it, but it's too much. 50% was hyperbole, but I bet over 5% make decisions on their health care based solely on affordability. Which then leads to other health issues and so on and on. Anyway. Here. Have this as a parting gift on a shitty subject.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrKAcijBUXY/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

Maybe nsfw.

[MDC 5,877]

 

5% of our population makes up 50% of health care spending. There is no way the system fails 50% of the population. There are so many factors to consider. I'm not going to get in to them here because no one even acknowledges the real problems and I've offered solutions in the past. Look at MDCTroll. He wants the government to take over the whole thing. And I just don't get the attitude that every time we have a problem we just let the government take it over. Given the government's history that stance is idiotic to me.

I dont want the government to take over the HC industry. I dont want them to employ doctors or own hospitals and clinics. I think HC should mostly be a cash practice with insurance for serious injury or chronic illness managed by the government to pool user buying power.

 

Our current system is a total fail and its going to collapse in a matter of years. The private market has failed to provide a HC system thats affordable and accessible, time to try something else.

[crackattack 513]

I think we are where we are on the healthcare side mostly because of litigation.

It's definitely a big problem.

[edjr 5,547]

I'm with this too. Our medical system is a joke. Insurance dictates everything and costs are out of control. Medicine and treatment/care shouldn't be mainly about profit.

 

2 things I've always thought:

 

1. Education should be extremely affordable. It's not. Dosen't have to be free, but it shouldn't leave students with 10's of thousands of debt either. Stop making Education for profit or ran like a business.

 

2. Same as Education. Doesn't have to be free, but a couple day stay, or a routine surgery shouldn't leave you with a bill in the 10's of thousands. Hell, maybe in the 100's. Enough of that.

 

ETA. Education and HC should not be for profit. These are two essential things to help our society grow. It shouldn't bug down our citizens with debt or financial ruin.

 

BERNIE 2020!!

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

 

The line of thinking I was responding to was whether the government did ANYTHING better than the private sector. The private sector would never pay $1000 for a toilet seat. That is but one example of how the government does a sh*tty job in this area. Whether the private sector could take this over is debatable but there is no question that IF we could find a way to hand this task over to the private sector that the private sector would do a better job at it.

The private sector most certainly would. Kick backs are big contributors

[edjr 5,547]

I've seen enough guys in movies stitch themselves up or go to a veterinarian when they need care.

 

Why do we need all these blood sucking doctors?

 

ever see a doctor driving around a used ford?

[BudBro 116]

Govt is a consumer, not a provider.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

 

They don't. AOC has won one election, as a rep. We will see if she ever wins again. Or if she could elevate to Senator. Until then, she is very much an outlier. Who else would you consider a socialist?

She will without a doubt elevate. NY is over. Too many libs and brown people. Normal Americans have been overrun here.

[KSB2424 3,082]

Taxes / Gov't should go to things we cannot really do ourselves.

 

National Defense

Border Security

Immigration (Legal and Illegal)

Infrastructure - i.e. Roads, Bridges, Street Signs, Lights, etc.

Police, Fire, EMS

Preserving National and State Parks

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Also, and in many cases, pooling resources can allow us to do bigger and better things for the collective.

 

Public Education

Safety Nets for our poor, downtrodden and sick

Regulation of Commerce (i.e. Banking laws, EPA or the FDA)

 

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Beyond those things and others, America has always been a Republic built on Capitalism. It's why so many damn people want to come here for crying out loud. This hard push for uber progressive socialistic agenda's is rather troublesome imo. And it's bigger than the so called moderate Democrats want to let on.

[TBayXXXVII 2,107]

One of the things I find funny, is the hypocrisy and double standard nature of the Left. They're all about science, until science disagree's with them... then it's all about morality... until morality doesn't agree with them... then they're all about science. Incompetent morons, all of them.

 

Socialism fly's completely in the face of science. There's absolutely NO logical connection between the two as they are polar opposites. Science is all about Darwinism - survival of the fittest. Socialism is helping the non-fit to survive.

 

The Regressives should just go to Canada and let their stupidity reign up there.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Had to google what socialism was and it sounds good to me. To Drobeski? Not so much.

[KSB2424 3,082]

Socialism can work.

 

In homogeneous countries with secure borders. Think of a Country Club. Everybody is able, everybody pays roughly the same amount of same yearly dues and they get to do cool stuff with kick arse things. But only some people are allowed in.......

 

 

That aint 'Merica folks. We are a diverse country who despite popular opinion accepts tons of legal immigrants.

 

Unsecure borders, large gov't, people dependent on that gov't, the producers getting raped while the takers grow in number. It eventually eats itself. Or it evolves into full blown Communism where your children born into wont even understand what life is like without the gov't overreach.

 

Hard Pass

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

Socialism can work.

 

In homogeneous countries with secure borders. Think of a Country Club. Everybody is able, everybody pays roughly the same amount of same yearly dues and they get to do cool stuff with kick arse things. But only some people are allowed in.......

 

 

That aint 'Merica folks. We are a diverse country who despite popular opinion accepts tons of legal immigrants.

 

Unsecure borders, large gov't, people dependent on that gov't, the producers getting raped while the takers grow in number. It eventually eats itself. Or it evolves into full blown Communism where your children born into wont even understand what life is like without the gov't overreach.

 

Hard Pass

Socialism WAS working in Sweden, it seemed. But then......

[TBayXXXVII 2,107]

Socialism WAS working in Sweden, it seemed. But then......

 

It was only barely working because we picked up the biggest part of their military spending budget.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

 

It was only barely working because we picked up the biggest part of their military spending budget.

My point was it's success was temporary. Then they invited some people over and it all went to shite.

[TBayXXXVII 2,107]

My point was it's success was temporary. Then they invited some people over and it all went to shite.

 

Yeah, I know. But even that temporary success was because of us. It wasn't really even working on their own steam. They needed us to be their biggest military weapon.

[Herbivore 904]

Socialism can work.

 

In homogeneous countries with secure borders. Think of a Country Club. Everybody is able, everybody pays roughly the same amount of same yearly dues and they get to do cool stuff with kick arse things. But only some people are allowed in.......

 

 

That aint 'Merica folks. We are a diverse country who despite popular opinion accepts tons of legal immigrants.

 

Unsecure borders, large gov't, people dependent on that gov't, the producers getting raped while the takers grow in number. It eventually eats itself. Or it evolves into full blown Communism where your children born into wont even understand what life is like without the gov't overreach.

 

Hard Pass

the producers are not getting raped

[MDC 5,877]

the producers are not getting raped

Most people at the very top arent producers at all.

[Baker Boy 1,479]

Ah, the have nots fighting to take from others that which is not theirs. Just because you are a stupid lazy piece of crap it does not entitle you to take from me what I have worked very hard for.

 

If socialists want to help the losers, help them with your money, I have no problem with that and I will help the people I choose to help. Why do you have a problem with that?

[Herbivore 904]

Most people at the very top arent producers at all.

yep

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,497]

Most people at the very top arent producers at all.

 

Link?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Privatizing health care and ending patents on drugs and equipment will collapse costs. If that doesn't happen, eventually science will engineer robot doctors that will be able to perform most if not all medical procedures, and then costs will collapse. Government health care is a non-starter and will make the problems much worse.

[KSB2424 3,082]

the producers are not getting raped

I was speaking about socialism.

 

Thank goodness not America (yet).

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

jeezus even the board righties have no clue

 

Socialism did not work in Scandanavian countries, cause they aren't socialist countries

 

they are capitalist countries with larger social safety nets

 

as Sweden started to fail they have been working backwards to complete capitalism again

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

[RLLD 3,455]

jeezus even the board righties have no clue

 

Socialism did not work in Scandanavian countries, cause they aren't socialist countries

 

they are capitalist countries with larger social safety nets

 

as Sweden started to fail they have been working backwards to complete capitalism again

 

And their social links began to also disintegrate as well, equality was less not more....

[Herbivore 904]

I was speaking about socialism.

 

Thank goodness not America (yet).

 

it seemed like it due to this part

 

Unsecure borders, large gov't, people dependent on that gov't, the producers getting raped while the takers grow in number. It eventually eats itself. Or it evolves into full blown Communism where your children born into wont even understand what life is like without the gov't overreach.

[Baker Boy 1,479]

Hugo Chavez promises universal medical care

 

When Hugo Chavez came to power in Venezuela in 1998, he promised health care for all. In 1999, he got it written into the Constitution, which stated: "Health is a fundamental social right, an obligation of the State

 

Chavez also promised to make wealth more equal, “overcome poverty” and mandate higher wages. He made initial progress in expanding medical care and reducing poverty, which was praised by Americans from Sean Penn to Michael Moore.

 

However, the success was short-lived. Experts say it was based on using existing wealth rather than creating new wealth.

 

“He took from the private sector that existed, and enjoyed buoyant oil prices, to buy off the electorate,” said Fergus Hodgson, executive editor of Antigua Report, a Latin American business consulting agency.

 

By 2018, the Venezuelan health system was a disaster. Hospitals were out of basic medicine, and also without food for children who were starving due to extreme poverty.

 

Medical care and the economy itself have since fallen into shambles under Chavez successor Nicolas Maduro, sparking widespread protests. The turmoil intensified this week as numerous countries, including the U.S., recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as interim president -- and Maduro responded by saying he's cutting off relations with the U.S.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-5-failed-socialist-promises-from-lenin-to-chavez

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

jeezus even the board righties have no clue

 

Socialism did not work in Scandanavian countries, cause they aren't socialist countries

 

they are capitalist countries with larger social safety nets

 

as Sweden started to fail they have been working backwards to complete capitalism again

Of course it wasn't true by the book socialism, but it fit the description of what we would call a socialst country in contemporary terms. Just like the US isn't a democracy, but everyone gets the point.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

Of course it wasn't true by the book socialism, but it fit the description of what we would call a socialst country in contemporary terms. Just like the US isn't a democracy, but everyone gets the point.

 

no a socialist country in contemporary terms is Cuba, Venezuela, don't let them conflate

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

 

no a socialist country in contemporary terms is Cuba, Venezuela, don't let them conflate

Well, they're all giant failures, including Sweden. It appears Finland is saving itself though. They were always the tough ones.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

Well, they're all giant failures, including Sweden. It appears Finland is saving itself though. They were always the tough ones.

 

remember when that area was Vikings

 

Ragnar would have surrender if he saw 1200 years into the future

[Hardcore troubadour 12,593]

 

remember when that area was Vikings

 

Ragnar would have surrender if he saw 1200 years into the future

I often think what would have happened if on the way to Normandy on D-Day the soldiers were shown the US in 2019 if they would have turned the boats around.

[Baker Boy 1,479]

Ben Stein: We have a society in which there are an awful lot of people who have no idea that Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse-Tung all came to power promising the same kinds of things that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is promising. And it led to mass murder, it led to dictatorship, it led to genocide.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/ben-stein-stalin-hitler-came-power-promising-same-things-alexandria-ocasio

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

Ben Stein: We have a society in which there are an awful lot of people who have no idea that Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse-Tung all came to power promising the same kinds of things that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is promising. And it led to mass murder, it led to dictatorship, it led to genocide.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/ben-stein-stalin-hitler-came-power-promising-same-things-alexandria-ocasio

 

and isn't Ben Stein a democrat?