How long before the Pledge of Allegiance is gone from schools?

[wiffleball 4,629]

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What are unicorns, cheerful feminists and other things that don't exist Alex?

[wiffleball 4,629]

Obedience to authority is also useful. Stanley Milgram's experiments really drove home how willing people are to blindly do as they're told.

 

One night, as I was in the Emergency Room, or "ER" as as us medical professionals call it...

 

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Think you’re mistaking me for our other medical

professional.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,552]

Who are we showing our unity to?

Each other

[Hardcore troubadour 12,552]

Funny you mention the nazis, as Hitler oaths were a part of the indoctrination process.

Hitler was just a man. Liberty and Justice are beautiful concepts that everyone should strive for and last through the ages into eternity.

[Alias Detective 1,177]

Its kind of an odd thing.

We "force" (not physically, but kids who wouldn't stand for it would be shunned) kids to pledge an allegiance to the flag. Many who have zero clue what they are even saying or understand the words.

When we are older and understand...we don't really do the pledge.

Seems that a country where we are very prideful of our freedom, pledging allegiances doesn't really line up to being free.

What's odd?

 

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

[Alias Detective 1,177]

Teach those concepts in history, social studies and civics class. And reinforce them at home, along with critical thought.

Tried that. You bitched and moaned we referenced the Confederates.

[Alias Detective 1,177]

It is one thing china and America have in common.

Everyone 100% believes as a matter of religious dogma that they live in the greatest country in the world. If asked why, they have no real answer usually. Most of them have never even been anywhere else. It just is. Like the sky is blue. Like water is wet.

It is because they are indoctrinated to believe so, rather than TAUGHT valid reasons for believing so.

This has the added downside of making fixing what problems exist difficult, as people are trained to think everything is wonderful.

Enough about focking China dude. Good Lord.

[Sho Nuff 719]

What's odd?

 

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

What I saidd in my post...thats whats odd.

The ones who recite it dont necessarily understand the words...the ones who understand it, dont really recite it anymore.

It wasnt that difficult of a concept.

[frank 2,143]

What percentage of adults do you think say "I pledge of allegiance..."?

[Sho Nuff 719]

What percentage of adults do you think say "I pledge of allegiance..."?

Teachers, those that attend stuff like scout meetings, maybe a moose lodge or something?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Tried that. You bitched and moaned we referenced the Confederates.

Huh? Link?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Teachers, those that attend stuff like scout meetings, maybe a moose lodge or something?

I think he was referring to the misplaced “of”

[MTSkiBum 1,591]

What's odd?

 

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

 

Interesting link.

 

I did follow up research and it seems that the author was one of the founding members of the christian socialist movement and pushed hard for socialism to overtake capitalism. He was even fired from his job and forced to move because of pushing socialist propaganda.

 

The original author of the pledge stated that the goal of the pledge was to indoctrinate young kids.

 

I agree with Titan's it is odd that this is what we have kids say in school given its background. That is 30 minutes I will not get back, although I learned something. I had no idea of the origins of the pledge.

[drobeski 3,061]

Meanwhile the sickos that are fake bothered by this are fine with indoctrinating kindergarteners in the trans/My 3 dads/binary gender cult teachings.

[Fireballer 2,367]

Meanwhile the sickos that are fake bothered by this are fine with indoctrinating kindergarteners in the trans/My 3 dads/binary gender cult teachings.

This

[Hardcore troubadour 12,552]

Meanwhile the sickos that are fake bothered by this are fine with indoctrinating kindergarteners in the trans/My 3 dads/binary gender cult teachings.

For the win.

[Gladiators 1,900]

Meanwhile the sickos that are fake bothered by this are fine with indoctrinating kindergarteners in the trans/My 3 dads/binary gender cult teachings.

Yep

[drobeski 3,061]

For the win.

yep

[penultimatestraw 473]

Meanwhile the sickos that are fake bothered by this are fine with indoctrinating kindergarteners in the trans/My 3 dads/binary gender cult teachings.

I object to making them recite the tranny anthem as well.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I object to making them recite the tranny anthem as well.

Dont introduce logic into an ignorant rant.

[mobb_deep 917]

I went to my 7 year olds school today for donuts and dad. They did the pledge and then sang America the Beautiful.

[tanatastic 2,061]

I went to my 7 year olds school today for donuts and dad. They did the pledge and then sang America the Beautiful.

Those bastards...how dare they.

[drobeski 3,061]

I went to my 7 year olds school today for donuts and dad. They did the pledge and then sang America the Beautiful.

good school

[Fireballer 2,367]

I went to my 7 year olds school today for donuts and dad. They did the pledge and then sang America the Beautiful.

I cant believe they endorse an event for Dads only showing up. Good for them. What about the feelings of those without Dads? Im sympathetic to that, but you cant shut everything down cuz someone may be offended.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I cant believe they endorse an event for Dads only showing up. Good for them. What about the feelings of those without Dads? Im sympathetic to that, but you cant shut everything down cuz someone may be offended.

Both our elementary and middle schools have had these events. Announced as Dad, grandfather or any male role

model kind of thing. A way to get men involved at the school as most volunteers are women.

[mobb_deep 917]

I cant believe they endorse an event for Dads only showing up. Good for them. What about the feelings of those without Dads? Im sympathetic to that, but you cant shut everything down cuz someone may be offended.

Only one of the kids did not have a dad show up. He has a father at home, but I guess he was busy or something. Hes a good friend of my daughter, so I sort of acted as pseudo dad for him. He was definitely bummed though. All the kids made little gifts for their dads and whatnot.

 

They had a muffins with mom around mothers day too.

[Fireballer 2,367]

Only one of the kids did not have a dad show up. He has a father at home, but I guess he was busy or something. Hes a good friend of my daughter, so I sort of acted as pseudo dad for him. He was definitely bummed though. All the kids made little gifts for their dads and whatnot.

 

They had a muffins with mom around mothers day too.

Almost sounds like it went off just how things are intended to be! You must live in a little slice of Murica unmolested by modern liberalism.

[mobb_deep 917]

Almost sounds like it went off just how things are intended to be! You must live in a little slice of Murica unmolested by modern liberalism.

Haha. I live in California. But its Orange County, which is pretty conservative. Furthermore, its Newport Beach, which is 2nd most conservative city in CA. Im pretty much the only guy in my group of friends that leans left (mostly just because I believe in MMGW and Im Pro-Choice). My parents are both retired teachers though. Cant help it.

 

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article203215259.html

[wiffleball 4,629]

I object to making them recite the tranny anthem as well.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

[Cdub100 3,366]

It is one thing china and America have in common.

 

Everyone 100% believes as a matter of religious dogma that they live in the greatest country in the world. If asked why, they have no real answer usually. Most of them have never even been anywhere else. It just is. Like the sky is blue. Like water is wet.

 

It is because they are indoctrinated to believe so, rather than TAUGHT valid reasons for believing so.

 

This has the added downside of making fixing what problems exist difficult, as people are trained to think everything is wonderful.

Well luck for us we are teaching our kids to hate our country.

[Baker Boy 1,466]

Well luck for us we are teaching our kids to hate our country.

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.

- Ronald Reagan

[Sho Nuff 719]

Quoting Reagan while you and Trump piss all over his legacy.

[Voltaire 4,550]

Quoting Reagan while you and Trump piss all over his legacy.

Trump is the problem one way for sure with his obstruction of justice and press intimidation among other things. It's awful. But it's also a pick your poison type thing as the loony left is off the deep end as well. I still think the damage Trump is doing is less offensive and more easily fixed.

[KSB2424 3,082]

Pledge of Allegiance is like saying Yes Sir to and older man, or opening the door for a woman, or like singing happy birthday. Is it a huge deal? No. But how can you really be against it?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Pledge of Allegiance is like saying Yes Sir to and older man, or opening the door for a woman, or like singing happy birthday. Is it a huge deal? No. But how can you really be against it?

For the record, Im not really strongly against it. I just think the people who think its vital are silly.

 

Honestly, I think they stopped doing it when I was in grade school anyway. So the answer to the thread title is, long time ago, at least where Im from.

[KSB2424 3,082]

For the record, Im not really strongly against it. I just think the people who think its vital are silly.

 

Honestly, I think they stopped doing it when I was in grade school anyway. So the answer to the thread title is, long time ago, at least where Im from.

I get it. To be honest the premise of this thread is sort of silly. But......

 

I think they do it in elementary school only. When you are a kid, learning about ...family to community to city to state to country. Normal things. Gah.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Its just a little ditty to get school kids on the same page early in the morning and celebrate America. Its not a big deal.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Pledge of Allegiance is like saying Yes Sir to and older man, or opening the door for a woman, or like singing happy birthday. Is it a huge deal? No. But how can you really be against it?

I don't think anyone is against the pledge, at least those who've posted in this thread.