Tap the breaks on drafting Howard early, Cowen looks amazing

[snatchit 108]

If I was the Bears I would feature that dude

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

The problem is he's listed at 179 pounds. I would not use him much between the tackles. Have both in the game to create confusion? I sure as hell would. Although NFL offensive coordinators are usually as imaginative as a pile of dung, sooo probably not

[Oriole8159 86]

I'll preface this by saying that I haven't been following Bears camp (why would I?) and am not familiar with this Cowen fella, but if that's true and even if he's still taking looks away, then that's a big problem for Howard.

He's being drafted in the first or early 2nd and he needs to command the lion's share of touches for him to be able to return that production as I don't think he's a special talent individually, he'll be working with a bad QB, and they'll be playing from behind alot. He needs volume to justify taking him that high.

 

If this is true, then I definitely agree with Snatchit (didn't think I'd say that today) that Howard becomes very difficult to draft at his current ADP.

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

His name Tarik Cohen. He's a Sproles-like, scatter back. He looked pretty good in his first preseason game. I assume his role will mostly be passing downs and return man. He should not scare people away from Howard at this moment.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,564]

His name Tarik Cohen. He's a Sproles-like, scatter back. He looked pretty good in his first preseason game. I assume his role will mostly be passing downs and return man. He should not scare people away from Howard at this moment.

 

I call him Tank Cohen, cause the first time I saw his name, the i didn't have the dot over it and the ri looked like an "n"

[weepaws 2,450]

I just don't see Howard being as productive as he was last season.

 

 

Godswillbedone

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

I just don't see Howard being as productive as he was last season.

 

Shouldn't have anything to do with Cohen though. Would have more to do with the overall play of the Bears and other teams scheming for him. The one benefit he has this year over last year is that he'll be the starter from day 1 so he could come close to his totals from last year even if his average goes down a little.

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 266]

Howard be Plodfather, gents.

 

PASS.

[murf74 461]

Howard is the most overdrafted player in 2017

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

Howard is the most overdrafted player in 2017

 

I could agree with slightly overrated but certainly not the most overrated.

[snatchit 108]

hey were running Cohen plenty between the tackles, in the small sample size...plus Ridey looked decent too. I can see Howard getting squeezed out of a lot of touches

[snatchit 108]

Again its just a preseason game, but the looks like they might be able to move the ball on the ground again..... for some reason

[seafoam1 1,878]

I'll preface this by saying that I haven't been following Bears camp (why would I?) and am not familiar with this Cowen fella, but if that's true and even if he's still taking looks away, then that's a big problem for Howard.

He's being drafted in the first or early 2nd and he needs to command the lion's share of touches for him to be able to return that production as I don't think he's a special talent individually, he'll be working with a bad QB, and they'll be playing from behind alot. He needs volume to justify taking him that high.

 

If this is true, then I definitely agree with Snatchit (didn't think I'd say that today) that Howard becomes very difficult to draft at his current ADP.

I dont agree hes playing with a bad QB. I am worried their recievers are not all that though

[seafoam1 1,878]

Howard is the most overdrafted player in 2017

He was the 9th RB in my league last year. And a lot of RBs are going before him in the 1st/2nd round. Where do you put him? Theres a bit of a drop off after him. Your statement confuses me.

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

hey were running Cohen plenty between the tackles, in the small sample size...plus Ridey looked decent too. I can see Howard getting squeezed out of a lot of touches

 

Are you posting from a phone or something? It's hard understanding your posts. Who is Ridey?

 

The Bears had 380 carries last year and Howard had 252 of those. I would assume it should be similar this year so how many of those carries are the other guys going to steal from Howard?

[snatchit 108]

He was the 9th RB in my league last year. And a lot of RBs are going before him in the 1st/2nd round. Where do you put him? Theres a bit of a drop off after him. Your statement confuses me.

I see him going before, Cook, Hyde, Ajayi, Crowell, Fournette, Gurely..... I just dont see it

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,564]

I see him going before, Cook, Hyde, Ajayi, Crowell, Fournette, Gurely..... I just dont see it

 

Ill take him over any of those guys

 

gimme production over thoughts

[snatchit 108]

 

Ill take him over any of those guys

 

gimme production over thoughts

Says the guy that kept him this year.... its just my opinion

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,564]

Says the guy that kept him this year.... its just my opinion

 

I drafted him in 3 of 3 leagues last year and reaped the rewards, I have no problem drafting him in the 2nd this year, especially over Gurley, Fournette, Hyde and Cook. Ajayi and Crowell are toss ups

[IGotWorms 3,297]

 

I could agree with slightly overrated but certainly not the most overrated.

 

This.

 

He's going right after the top guys which is a touch high for me.

 

But can you really make a rock-solid argument for any of the non-top guys getting drafted over him? They've all got their own issues and question marks.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Crowell getting play in this thread, really? He is like a fringe 6th rounder to me at best. A guy you take when you badly need a warm body at RB. Guys, when has a Brown had back to back good seasons? Also, did Crowell even have a grood season to warrant the hype im seeing? Didn't even run for 1k. I don't even roster a starting RB unless I feel he has 1300 10 potential.

[IGotWorms 3,297]

Crowell getting play in this thread, really? He is like a fringe 6th rounder to me at best. A guy you take when you badly need a warm body at RB. Guys, when has a Brown had back to back good seasons? Also, did Crowell even have a grood season to warrant the hype im seeing? Didn't even run for 1k. I don't even roster a starting RB unless I feel he has 1300 10 potential.

I think he is going too high, BUT...

 

Devils advocate here: He averaged 4.8 ypc and scored 7 times last year. The issue was he didn't hit 200 carries but if his workload increased he could have a big year. Plus he caught 40 balls so receiving production is there. His coach is known for running the ball and says they will run more this year specifically including more use of Crowell. Crowell's in a contract year and is clearly motivated to do all he can do. And he's got a pretty good offensive line to run behind.

 

Minuses: it's the Browns, he's got no QB or passing game to take the pressure off of him, and as much as his coach talks about running more that's hard to do if you get behind early in almost every game

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

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1.01 David Johnson RB ARI 8 1.3 0.6 1.01 1.05 871 2 1.02 LeVeon Bell RB PIT 9 2.1 0.8 1.01 1.06 1007 3 1.05 LeSean McCoy RB BUF 6 4.9 1.3 1.02 1.11 772 4 1.07 Devonta Freeman RB ATL 5 7.3 1.9 1.02 2.03 834 5 1.09 Melvin Gordon RB LAC 9 8.6 2.2 1.03 2.03 926 6 1.12 DeMarco Murray RB TEN 8 12.1 2.8 1.03 2.09 841 7 2.01 Jordan Howard RB CHI 9 13.4 2.6 1.05 2.10 793 8 2.02 Jay Ajayi RB MIA 11 14.4 2.5 1.04 2.09 827 9 2.03 Ezekiel Elliott RB DAL 6 14.9 3.9 1.01 3.05 793 10 2.06 Leonard Fournette RB JAC 8 17.6 2.9 1.06 3.09 813 11 2.06 Todd Gurley RB LAR 8 18.1 2.8 1.02 3.05 859 12 2.10 Marshawn Lynch RB OAK 10 21.6 4.2 1.07 4.02 755 13 3.01 Lamar Miller RB HOU 7 24.7 3.9 1.11 4.02 773 14 3.02 Isaiah Crowell RB CLE 9 25.8 3.9 1.06 4.05 927 15 3.07 Christian McCaffrey RB CAR 11 30.9 4.7 2.02 4.11 771

These are where the first 15 RBs are going in standard 12 team mocks on FFC. Of the people going behind Howard which one deserves to go ahead of him? Which player could go ahead of him and not be considered overrated? After the first 5 or 6 guys everyone is a big question mark.

 

For some reason the site messed up the format once I posted it.

[Oriole8159 86]

I dont agree hes playing with a bad QB. I am worried their recievers are not all that though

 

My opinion of "bad" may differ from you, but I mean it within the context of the system that they'll be in this particular year.

 

If Trubisky wins the job, he's going to have a hard learning curve to adjusting to the speed of the game, as well as adjusting to reading what the defenses give him. I forget the entire stat, but pre draft he's started one of the smallest amount of college games of any top prospect in years. Couple that with the fact that the Bears will be playing from behind in alot of games, and those don't exactly put Howard in the best position to max out his production. That doesn't mean to imply that Trubisky can't grow into a good player eventually, but I think he's going to have a steep learning curve and that will adversely affect Howard.

 

If it's Glennon, I just don't think very highly of him. Alot of things would have to go right for him to be even a Top 20 QB, so couple that with again the Bears being down alot, and that could have the same adverse affect on Howard. If they're playing from behind alot and this Cohen guy has shown an ability to succeed in a Sproles type role, that doesn't bode well for Howard.

 

Is that clearer?

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

All the excuses for Howard not having a good year this year are all the same issues the team had last year. Was last year just a fluke then? The Bears are most likely not going to be worse, they'll probably be about the same if not better.

 

QBs - Situation is about the same but has more upside this year.

RBs - Same if not better with the addition of Cohen.

WRs - Basically the same but with better depth.

TE - Should be slightly better with the addition of Shaheen and depth is better.

OL - This group should be the same as last year but the depth is not very good.

 

If everything is pretty close to the same thing why should Howard see such a drastic decline like many are predicting? He's a RB so there's always a chance he busts but the other guys all have that chance as well. Gordon is going ahead of him but who all thinks he'll maintain the TDs he scored last year?

[stonewall 647]

Love how Howard's draft stock is falling.

 

Bears offense was trash last year, yet he excelled....week after week.

 

People forget very easily....thankfully.

[Oriole8159 86]

All the excuses for Howard not having a good year this year are all the same issues the team had last year. Was last year just a fluke then? The Bears are most likely not going to be worse, they'll probably be about the same if not better.

 

QBs - Situation is about the same but has more upside this year.

RBs - Same if not better with the addition of Cohen.

WRs - Basically the same but with better depth.

TE - Should be slightly better with the addition of Shaheen and depth is better.

OL - This group should be the same as last year but the depth is not very good.

 

If everything is pretty close to the same thing why should Howard see such a drastic decline like many are predicting? He's a RB so there's always a chance he busts but the other guys all have that chance as well. Gordon is going ahead of him but who all thinks he'll maintain the TDs he scored last year?

 

I'm not going to say he's going to drastically decline, but myself personally I like doing WRs early unless the RB is that much better, and I don't think he's enough that I'd pass on one of the WRs there.

That's just me though.

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

 

I'm not going to say he's going to drastically decline, but myself personally I like doing WRs early unless the RB is that much better, and I don't think he's enough that I'd pass on one of the WRs there.

That's just me though.

 

Your thoughts make sense though while some others just don't, like the OP's.

[seafoam1 1,878]

 

I'm not going to say he's going to drastically decline, but myself personally I like doing WRs early unless the RB is that much better, and I don't think he's enough that I'd pass on one of the WRs there.

That's just me though.

If I was drafting in the top 2 and he were there for me in the second round, Im all in on Howard as my number 2 RB. Bears o-line should be top 5 this year (of course, barring injuries).

[Oriole8159 86]

 

Your thoughts make sense though while some others just don't, like the OP's.

 

I've been burned on RB sophomore slumps though too, so I do fear that Howard could be a candidate for that, even if that fear is irrational. They seem to happen to at least one guy every year, and often times without reason.

 

I remember one year a long long time ago I had within my Top 4 picks Laurence Maroney, Reggie Bush and Brandon Jacobs...and I walked away from that draft thinking my team was sick.

Needless to say, that did not work out.

[Oriole8159 86]

If I was drafting in the top 2 and he were there for me in the second round, Im all in on Howard as my number 2 RB. Bears o-line should be top 5 this year (of course, barring injuries).

 

Are you talking Top 2 like Top 2 in the 2nd rd, so like Pick 14? Or Top 2 like 2nd pick entirely, so back to you on the turn at 23?

 

I'd definitely take him at 23 if that's the case, but I'm still not sure I'd take him at 14 if one of the Top 8 WRs are still on the board.

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

What blows my mind is how some are taking Zeke ahead of Howard knowing he's going to miss games. It's as if people think Zeke is immune to getting hurt or slumping when he returns.

[tanatastic 2,061]

What blows my mind is how some are taking Zeke ahead of Howard knowing he's going to miss games. It's as if people think Zeke is immune to getting hurt or slumping when he returns.

We don't know he will miss games. I think he misses 0 games from suspension this year.

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

We don't know he will miss games. I think he misses 0 games from suspension this year.

 

That's great that you feel that way but at the moment he is suspended for 6 games so that's how I'm treating the situation. Prepare for the worse and hope for the best.

[Maulers1973 117]

I think Zeke's suspension will get reduced to 1, 2 or 3 games. Didn't the Giants kicker get his reduced to 1 game. So, there is precedent. If Zeke misses 3 or less games, I'd still want him as my RB1 over everyone except DJ and Bell.

 

I still don't know much about this Cowen kid, but I will before my draft.

[TBayXXXVII 2,105]

I will be keeping Howard in my home keeper league and I can tell you with 100% assurance that Cohen does not scare me even for a tenth of a second. In a redraft, I'd still take Howard in the first round.