They kneeled for the National Anthem and stood for the Brit anthem.

[yanko 11]

omg hes such a hardcore criminal, this is what he was charged with

 

Prosecutors said D‘Souza asked two friends and their spouses to contribute $10,000 each to Long’s campaign and then reimbursed them. At the time, campaign finance regulations limited individual donations to a maximum of $5,000 during an election cycle.[/size]

 

he was guilty, but gimme a break, you guys want to attack him over that, but sweep that Clinton foundation pay to play under the rug

So let me get this straight, knowingly breaking the law and then lying to the Feds about it is ok so we should forget about it, but we shouldn't do that with Clinton even though she hasn't been charged with anything despite multiple investigations and hearings by republicans? Did I get that right? Oh and what about the kneeling players? Is that still the worst crime here?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,565]

So let me get this straight, knowingly breaking the law and then lying to the Feds about it is ok so we should forget about it, but we shouldn't do that with Clinton even though she hasn't been charged with anything despite multiple investigations and hearings by republicans? Did I get that right? Oh and what about the kneeling players? Is that still the worst crime here?

 

they fact that he was the only person in the last 10 years charged with it, tells you that it was a witch hunt

[IMMensaMind 459]

Dinesh? You mean the convicted felon? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-dsouza/anti-obama-author-dsouza-pleads-guilty-to-campaign-finance-violation-idUSBREA4J0H520140520

Can't take on the words, so assassinate the author?

[IMMensaMind 459]

For the poster who claimed that the parties suddenly completely switched platforms, I find the claim hilarious.

 

You wanna switch belief systems with me? No? Why? That's what you're claiming happened with Dems and Reps.

 

Tell you what: I'll throw you a life line. I'll name one Dixiecrat who switched party allegiances: Strom Thurmond. Ok: your turn. Name another one.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,565]

For the poster who claimed that the parties suddenly completely switched platforms, I find the claim hilarious.

 

You wanna switch belief systems with me? No? Why? That's what you're claiming happened with Dems and Reps.

 

Tell you what: I'll throw you a life line. I'll name one Dixiecrat who switched party allegiances: Strom Thurmond. Ok: your turn. Name another one.

 

Robert Byrd!

 

oh wait

[seafoam1 1,878]

No that wasn't a big deal. The being-engaged-to-one-woman-while-being-married-to-another while being president of a Christian college was a classic.

How about Clinton getting a Lewinsky special in the Oval Office and then committing perjury on the stand.

 

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”

So proclaimed President William Jefferson Clinton, 49, in a public address on January 26, 1998.

“That woman” to whom Clinton referred was Monica Lewinsky, 24, a Lewis and Clark College graduate who had served in 1995 as a White House intern and in 1996 took a job with the White House Office of Legislative Affairs.

During Miss Lewinsky’s tenure in both those positions, she and Clinton actually did engage in what he would later term an “improper physical relationship.” At first, though, he tried to talk his way out it.

Guy should have been impeached. And Hillary couldn't care less. Great marriage there.Totally want his wife enabler in the White House. You Libs just keep reaching.... Hahaha.

 

 

Cubs win!!!!!

 

I have a dream that all teams keep hugging and kneeling with each other during the anthem where it gets to point that it's just not paid attention to anymore. Then all this talk can die down and football can go back to being its true form of entertainment.

[seafoam1 1,878]

For the poster who claimed that the parties suddenly completely switched platforms, I find the claim hilarious.

 

You wanna switch belief systems with me? No? Why? That's what you're claiming happened with Dems and Reps.

 

Tell you what: I'll throw you a life line. I'll name one Dixiecrat who switched party allegiances: Strom Thurmond. Ok: your turn. Name another one.

This is the typical Lib argument. I wonder who made that crap up because I can promise they can't find anything in history to support it. It's just childish on their part, as are all of their arguments. "No I'm not, you are!".

 

Go Cubs!!

 

I have a dream that all teams keep hugging and kneeling with each other during the anthem where it gets to point that it's just not paid attention to anymore. Then all this talk can die down and football can go back to being its true form of entertainment.

[yanko 11]

they fact that he was the only person in the last 10 years charged with it, tells you that it was a witch hunt

But not the countless republican led congressional hearings on Clinton?

[Johnny B. Goode 17]

again zero relevance on historical data

 

Billy boy was banging all types of women while Governor and President as well

I've heard of this guy, no interest in reading his work. I remember reading about his Obama-apocalyptic-predictions movie. Life's too short to give him any of my time.

 

But knock yourself out.

[Antiramie 50]

Big surprise this devolved into left vs right, the Clintons/Obama, and fake news. Sigh.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,565]

I've heard of this guy, no interest in reading his work. I remember reading about his Obama-apocalyptic-predictions movie. Life's too short to give him any of my time.

 

But knock yourself out.

 

you can't learn if you refuse to listen to people who oppose. You should take 10 mins out of your time and listen to the history of facism

[seafoam1 1,878]

no interest in reading

But knock yourself out.

Here's something for you even though you don't like to read:

 

Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

• While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.
• Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners. Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.
• Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.
• After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.
• Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party. Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.
• After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.
• For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.
• As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.
• More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968. The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats.

 

Go Cubs!!!!

 

I have a dream that all teams keep hugging and kneeling with each other during the anthem where it gets to point that it's just not paid attention to anymore. Then all this talk can die down and football can go back to being its true form of entertainment.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,565]

Here's something for you even though you don't like to read:

 

Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

• While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.
• Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners. Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.
• Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.
• After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.
• Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party. Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.
• After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.
• For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.
• As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.
• More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968. The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats.

 

Go Cubs!!!!

 

I have a dream that all teams keep hugging and kneeling with each other during the anthem where it gets to point that it's just not paid attention to anymore. Then all this talk can die down and football can go back to being its true form of entertainment.

 

but Dinesh is a felon

[yanko 11]

Can't take on the words, so assassinate the author?

The words of a convicted liar talking about "secret histories", his words? I shouldn't be the least skeptical?

[IMMensaMind 459]

The words of a convicted liar talking about "secret histories", his words? I shouldn't be the least skeptical?

Convicted liar? His charge was manipulating donations to a political campaign by asking others to donate for him.

 

Skepticism is good. Acting on it by reading and dissecting untruth is even better. D'Souza is an accomplished historian. I welcome your input, and you can even interact with him on Twitter. He's extremely active on there, and will answer questions asked of him.

[ChinaCat 21]

So let me get this straight, knowingly breaking the law and then lying to the Feds about it is ok so we should forget about it,

Is coming here illegally knowingly breaking the law?

 

I won't even comment on your Clinton comment because it's laughable.

[Antiramie 50]

This thread has turned into a platform for propaganda. Can we please lock this now?

[ChinaCat 21]

 

 

Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

• After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.

And Obama had Black Lives Matter and CAIR in the WH over 20 times each. Both domestic terrorist organizations. And he encouraged them.

[ChinaCat 21]

This thread has turned into a platform for propaganda. Can we please lock this now?

You can keep your doctor.

 

HAHAHAHA

[seafoam1 1,878]

The words of a convicted liar talking about "secret histories", his words? I shouldn't be the least skeptical?

You cannot refute any of it. Typical Lib. Attack something and try to throw the focus of facts onto something else.

Such a terrible tactic.

 

Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

• While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.
• Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners. Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.
• Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.
• After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.
• Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party. Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.
• After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.
• For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.
• As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.
• More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968. The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats.

 

 

Go Cubs!!!!

Go Bears!!! See ya later Pittsburgh.

[IMMensaMind 459]

This thread has turned into a platform for propaganda. Can we please lock this now?

Well. Should we be surprised that someone like you wishes to end a public discourse which exchanges ideas?

 

Simply because you call something 'propaganda'? What, exactly, do you claim is propaganda, and what business is it of yours? Why do you hate free speech?

[Antiramie 50]

Well. Should we be surprised that someone like you wishes to end a public discourse which exchanges ideas?

 

Simply because you call something 'propaganda'? What, exactly, do you claim is propaganda, and what business is it of yours? Why do you hate free speech?

 

The comments in this thread are no longer relevant to the original topic nor are any constructive arguments toward it being made. It's turned into a political pissing contest (not surprising) and the fan club of an alt-right "historian" clown.

[IMMensaMind 459]

The comments in this thread are no longer relevant to the original topic nor are any constructive arguments toward it being made. It's turned into a political pissing contest (not surprising) and the fan club of an alt-right "historian" clown.

Of course the topics being discussed are relevant, and rare is a thread which goes 13 pages which doesn't shift back and forth a bit.

 

Secondly, calling D'Souza 'alt-right' is a laughable abuse of facts. He is a long-term conservative, and sharp as a needle. Why don't you try to take on the historical facts he posts, to show us your wisdom?

 

The link that has been partially copied/pasted here exactly addresses the OP's topic.

[IGotWorms 3,297]

D'Souza is a fraud.

 

As are all the current darlings of the right.

 

Tomi Lahren - you kidding me? A vapid 20 year old Barbie doll? That's your intellectual mouthpiece?

 

Milo Yiannapolous? The pedophile and racist agitator? That's your guy?

 

They're all just absurd as the charlatan reality TV star in the White House.

 

What the hell ever happened to the intellectual, principled conservatives like George Will and David Brooks?? I didn't agree with those guys much but at least they were honest men of substance

[ChinaCat 21]

Excellent idea.

 

 

 

http://wgno.com/2017/09/25/la-lawmaker-wants-to-cut-state-subsidies-for-saints-amid-takeaknee-controversy/

[IMMensaMind 459]

D'Souza is a fraud.

Of course he's not. He's an accomplished author and historian. And you don't appear capable of scratching a single thing he's written.

 

So you won't even attempt it.

[Antiramie 50]

Excellent idea.

 

 

 

http://wgno.com/2017/09/25/la-lawmaker-wants-to-cut-state-subsidies-for-saints-amid-takeaknee-controversy/

 

Which is better this or his proposal to create age and weight limits for strippers? I don't know why I waste my time responding to this delusional . I'm done here.

[IGotWorms 3,297]

Of course he's not. He's an accomplished author and historian. And you don't appear capable of scratching a single thing he's written.

 

So you won't even attempt it.

He's a total fraud. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see right through him and all the other bullsh1t anti-intellectual "personalities" that the right is currently infatuated with.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Which is better this or his proposal to create age and weight limits for strippers? I don't know why I waste my time responding to this delusional ######. I'm done here.

You don't seem able to separate ideas from the personalities who suggest them. All it takes is for you to decide that you don't like someone, and - suddenly - the meaning of the words they write don't even register.

 

It's odd. Let's have a thought experiment.

 

Don Quixote, for instance, was written while Cervantes was in prison.

 

Was it illegitimate? Or one of the greatest works of fiction in history?

[yanko 11]

Here's something for you even though you don't like to read:

 

Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

• While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.
• Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners. Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.
• Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.
• After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.
• Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party. Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.
• After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.
• For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.
• As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.
• More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968. The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats.

 

Go Cubs!!!!

 

I have a dream that all teams keep hugging and kneeling with each other during the anthem where it gets to point that it's just not paid attention to anymore. Then all this talk can die down and football can go back to being its true form of entertainment.

 

 

To your last point, while it's true overall more republicans than democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act in 1964 that doesn't tell the whole story, not to mention it leaves out the fact that those bills were introduced by democrats and signed into law and championed by a democrat president.

 

Here's a good article on the subject.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights

 

The key takeaway IMO is civil rights, like slavery before it, was more south vs north than democrat vs republican. When the democrats controlled the south they were the anti-minority party. When republicans took the south they became that party. Fast forward to today and the south is still trying to pass Jim Crow like bills but targeting transgender and before that it was preventing gays from marrying and before that preventing them from adopting and before that preventing interracial marriages and so on and so forth. Until the South retires their confederate culture once and for all we'll never be a true union. Republican, democrat, it doesn't really matter who is in charge and a few players kneeling down on Sunday isn't going to change anything today but it at least keeps the problem on America's "to do" list solve.

[IMMensaMind 459]

He's a total fraud. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see right through him and all the other bullsh1t anti-intellectual "personalities" that the right is currently infatuated with.

You would think you could apply your ounce of intelligence to compellingly argue what makes his writings in any way fraudulent. I'm anxiously waiting for you to bring your considerable intellect to bear on this fraud.

 

Let's hear it.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Big surprise this ###### devolved into left vs right, the Clintons/Obama, and fake news. Sigh.

If you're truly so worried about devolving a thread, you probably shouldn't have opened your participation in it with an immediate attempt at character assassination.

[ChinaCat 21]

 

 

 

 

 

The key takeaway IMO is civil rights, like slavery before it, was more south vs north than democrat vs republican. When the democrats controlled the south they were the anti-minority party. When republicans took the south they became that party. Fast forward to today and the south is still trying to pass Jim Crow like bills but targeting transgender and before that it was preventing gays from marrying and before that preventing them from adopting and before that preventing interracial marriages and so on and so forth. Until the South retires their confederate culture once and for all we'll never be a true union. Republican, democrat, it doesn't really matter who is in charge and a few players kneeling down on Sunday isn't going to change anything today but it at least keeps the problem on America's "to do" list solve.

Jesus Christ.

 

Are you saying being black is the same as being a homo or transgender?

 

Are the black football players kneeling in support of transgenders or gays? I would think the black community are more conservative on that issue than I am.

[yanko 11]

Jesus Christ.

 

Are you saying being black is the same as being a homo or transgender?

 

Let the adults speak.

[track 1 16]

mods close this thread

[ChinaCat 21]

This thread has turned into a platform for propaganda. Can we please lock this now?

Go away little girl before I.... Beg you to stay.

 

Hat tip Donny Osmond. lol

[ChinaCat 21]

Why would anyone ask for a thread to be closed? Just don't click on it.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,565]

D'Souza is a fraud.

 

As are all the current darlings of the right.

 

Tomi Lahren - you kidding me? A vapid 20 year old Barbie doll? That's your intellectual mouthpiece?

 

Milo Yiannapolous? The pedophile and racist agitator? That's your guy?

 

They're all just absurd as the charlatan reality TV star in the White House.

 

What the hell ever happened to the intellectual, principled conservatives like George Will and David Brooks?? I didn't agree with those guys much but at least they were honest men of substance

 

Has anyone quoted Milo or Tomi? they are shock jocks

 

There are exactly 2 people who I go to bat for, while I do like Dinesh and his historian education, There are 2 Conservatives that nobody on the left can hold a candle to. They are

 

Rush Limbaugh....(Bait)

 

Ben Shapiro and Larry Elder

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,565]

Why would anyone ask for a thread to be closed? Just don't click on it.

 

thats the style of the left, if they hear something they don't like shut it err burn it down

[seafoam1 1,878]

Why would anyone ask for a thread to be closed? Just don't click on it.

It's the Libs wanting to stifle the truth. hahahaha. Seriously, they just don't have to click on it but the urgency shown is remarkable.