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Haven't seen any preseason; has he been playing, and any homers have any word on how his back is? Thinking of grabbing him early rd 2 and would like to see if there's any known lingering issues out there.

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I don't know any more info than anyone else, but he did play in last week's preseason game for what it's worth.

What you should know though is you never fully get over back problems like that, so even though he may be "healthy" today he's an obvious candidate to have flare ups unexpectedly.

 

Plus, with his style of play, he's an injury target every time he touches the ball. Considering he's so difficult to be taken down in space, players will be forced to resort to hitting him low and targeting his midsection just in order to contain him. I think it would be incredibly lucky for him to play all 16 games because of this.

 

That's built into his ADP though, so that's why you see him being ranked closer to 30 than to the Top 10-15 that he's been previously listed. Thus, if you plan on taking him with your 2nd rd pick, just know that you're reaching for him. If it works out, it can win you your league; but if it doesn't, you're in trouble. Me personally, I wouldn't oppose taking him at his current ADP, but i wouldn't reach for him like you're suggesting.

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no booze, on a diet. maybe getting serious about his lifestyle during the season

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Over ranked.

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Over ranked.

Under analyzed. What if he does what he usually does when healthy? 1100 13? Are your concerns health related, offense/useage related, TE value related or all 3?

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All three I have him ranked behind Graham Olsen and Kelce.

 

Just not buying him at his price.

 

I truly think he's ranked to high.

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I'm kind of ok with him where he's going.

 

Mid to late second I'm not particularly crazy about the Fournettes, Gurleys, etc. WRs can be had going forward....why not get a dominant player at a scarce position?

 

A McCoy, Gronk, Crowell, Davonte Adams, kelvin benjamin is a nice squad....ADPS are pretty close there by round.

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That is a good team cyclone.

 

But I rather wait a pick up Graham whom I like more.

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That is a good team cyclone.

 

But I rather wait a pick up Graham whom I like more.

true... I love Graham

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That is a good team cyclone.

But I rather wait a pick up Graham whom I like more.

Oh I do too......liking that dead zone mid 2nd round value wise.

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Graham has back flare-ups already too plus the knee injury from two years ago. He's just as much a risk--if not more--than Gronk. Especially since it doesn't seem his team is making much of an effort to get him red zone looks. He's flying up the boards. I think he's the TE that's ranked too high.

 

I have no problem rolling the dice on Gronk anywhere after about pick 15. And if he falls further it's gravy. Just my $.02

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Yea but I can get Graham with less spent.

 

And that's a good move.

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I was psyched to have the #5 pick in a 12 team league, but there's no way Gronk falls to me in round 2 at #20 pick. I'm tempted to pull the trigger and grab him with my first pick. The options are wait and get Kelce or Olsen in 2nd or 3rd.

 

Crazy? Sure. I think this is the year that Gronk finishes in top five overall in PPR. Edelman has served as Brady's safety valve, now I think that falls to TE and he trusts Gronk

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I was psyched to have the #5 pick in a 12 team league, but there's no way Gronk falls to me in round 2 at #20 pick. I'm tempted to pull the trigger and grab him with my first pick. The options are wait and get Kelce or Olsen in 2nd or 3rd.

 

Crazy? Sure. I think this is the year that Gronk finishes in top five overall in PPR. Edelman has served as Brady's safety valve, now I think that falls to TE and he trusts Gronk

 

That makes some sense. I suspect that Cooks and Hogan might make Brady remember his Randy Moss days and start slinging downfield more. But there's still some gravy for Gronk in that scenario too.

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"Injury-Prone" is one of the most overrated assessments in FF. Anyone can drop dead tomorrow, Gronk is the best TE in football and is healthy. You take him whenever you can.

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Disagree.

 

I think you can indeed over pay for a player that who will use in one postion.

 

I would rather load up with a few more Rbs and WRs and then draft a Graham about three to four rounds later.

 

And have even a bigger edge then the person that took Gronk in the second.

 

I know there are folks that talk about how taking him as worked out for them, but I've seen the folks that have drafted him in the first three rounds and they usually regreat it.

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I know there are folks that talk about how taking him as worked out for them, but I've seen the folks that have drafted him in the first three rounds and they usually regreat it.

That would only be the case in 2013, or last season.

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"Injury-Prone" is one of the most overrated assessments in FF. Anyone can drop dead tomorrow, Gronk is the best TE in football and is healthy. You take him whenever you can.

Vehemently disagree.

 

Does he get injured a lot because of his style of play? Yes. That ain't changing or if it does then he won't be as good.

 

Does he get injured a lot because of his position? Yes. He's a road grading run blocker who is exposed to that type of toil and abuse. Then he's also a guy going over the middle for catches and running out in the open, so he's subject to those entirely different risks as well. The combo-TE is a truly unique position like that.

 

Does he get reinjured a lot because his issues are chronic in nature? Yes. Especially the back.

 

So I think you're completely wrong and he's absolutely an injury risk.

 

He's also the best player at his position bar none. So he's very valuable and you just have to decide if you'll roll those dice.

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Vehemently disagree.

Does he get injured a lot because of his style of play?

Does he get injured a lot because of his position?

Does he get reinjured a lot because his issues are chronic in nature?

You keep saying "a lot", ...define a lot. You make it sound like he's a cripple.

 

He's played in 88 of 112 (79%) NFL regular season games. I think you're wrong when using the term "a lot". Perhaps, we have different expectations. I'm not shocked or heart-broken when a player doesn't start all 16 for me in this days game unless he's my kicker. The fact of the matter is that people who think he has been injured a lot are likely Gronk owners from the past that are bitter because they didn't own him at the right time somewhere in the middle of his seven seasons played in the League.

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No not just talking about the seasons he's been hurt.

 

When you draft a te early is indeed weakings you at the Wr and Rb postion.

 

Just like owners that draft Qbs early.

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That would only be the case in 2013, or last season.

 

It's not just about regretting how Gronk played. It's about regretting the guys at other positions you missed by grabbing Gronk.

 

If you grab him high, round 2 or 3 (I've seen as high as 1, but that's just crazy), and grab a WR in 3 or 4, are you getting the same TD bump from Gronk over a 3/4 rnd TE as you are losing in scoring between a 2/3 WR and a 3/4 WR? For example, a Dez//Baldwin/Kelce 2/3/4 combo, vs a Gronk/Baldwin/Alshon 2/3/4 combo. I'm much rather have the first than the second.

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I've taken him many times in several leagues the last few years and always in round 1 or 2. I've had much more success with those teams than not. The draft is one third of a fantasy team's success. I suspect many people that make the argument against taking him high has either been burned once by having him high and not having the skills or good fortune to overcome his injures. Or two, you never draft him because you're risk averse and in my opinion that type of owner never wins a lot year over year. You're constantly "middle of the pack." If you believe in your skills to manage your team well week-to-week and make good in-season moves, then you're probably like me and love having a huge positional advantage.

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I've taken him many times in several leagues the last few years and always in round 1 or 2. I've had much more success with those teams than not. The draft is one third of a fantasy team's success. I suspect many people that make the argument against taking him high has either been burned once by having him high and not having the skills or good fortune to overcome his injures. Or two, you never draft him because you're risk averse and in my opinion that type of owner never wins a lot year over year. You're constantly "middle of the pack." If you believe in your skills to manage your team well week-to-week and make good in-season moves, then you're probably like me and love having a huge positional advantage.

A little too much self-sucking here, but otherwise a decent point :thumbsup:

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I can see gronk having a bounce back year

 

But taking a wr and another te a little later such as Rudolph might be a better move

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I can see gronk having a bounce back year

 

But taking a wr and another te a little later such as Rudolph might be a better move

Unless that wr busts. Part of the price you pay for Gronk is the near guarantee that when healthy he will dominate the position.

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Unless that wr busts. Part of the price you pay for Gronk is the near guarantee that when healthy he will dominate the position.

 

agreed.

there's a plethora of very good players in the 6-10 range this year, many of whom will outperform players drafted in the 3-5 range.

 

a smart player should be able to take advantage of that.

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i got him in ppr league at 3:2 saturday. might be kicking myself later because amari cooper was there too. swung for the fences with gronk

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i got him in ppr league at 3:2 saturday. might be kicking myself later because amari cooper was there too. swung for the fences with gronk

 

I like the move

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Any worries about Gronk after last night? Anyone who started him last night was surely disappointed but he did nearly score. I'm more concerned that he looked a little slow and off. I also thought Brady was off on some of the targets thrown his way and Eric Berry was in Gronk's pocket most of the night. Brady actually looked off with most of his WRs, I couldn't believe how badly he missed a wide open Dwayne Allen early on. Hopefully it was more a sign of getting the rust off and not a sign of a less explosive Gronk. With the Pats WR corps getting smaller and smaller and Amendola already proving he won't be able to last the year with an Edelman workload, Gronk is set up for major targets.

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Gronk looked like an offensive tackle running patterns. He can still beast a catch but man he didn't look himself at all. The way he held himself all game leads me to believe he is hurt

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Gronk did not look good.

 

Hard to believe he could be hurt already but there's certainly the possibility that all the past injuries have caught up to him.

 

But the whole offense looked off after the first couple drives - including Brady. So hopefully it's just part of some kinks that'll smooth themselves out over the next month or so

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its week 1 of overreaction no doubt but as a Gronk owner he did look like he was carrying 3 backpacks full of cement along with a Commercial Restaurant Oven Mit on his arm

 

Pats get nearly a week and half to prepare for saints. saints get tuesday through saturday to prepare after there monday night game.

 

my guess is the pats bounce back

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Berry owned him last night.

 

If Berry is a Gronk owner, he should have let the guy get more catches. Berry's gonna lose his FF matchup now for sure.

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its week 1 of overreaction no doubt but as a Gronk owner he did look like he was carrying 3 backpacks full of cement along with a Commercial Restaurant Oven Mit on his arm

 

Pats get nearly a week and half to prepare for saints. saints get tuesday through saturday to prepare after there monday night game.

 

my guess is the pats bounce back

:lol:

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Neither of the best TE in the game did much in the game. Gronk did get some good looks and even that nice td that was incomplete. When Gillislee scores 3 rush tds, he and Toms stats are going to suffer, it happens.

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He got popped in the ribs on that near td in the first quarter and you can tell it bothered him all game.

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