Harassment - you ever crossed the line?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

So this bored is full of Cooze hounds, at one time or another in their lives.

 

Reading all these accusations makes me wonder... how would some of MY conquests look if exposed to the court of public opinion?

 

Ive never done anything whatsoever with a coworker, subordinate or otherwise, nor with a student (I used to teach adults), so Im good on the power disparity front.

 

But weve all been in that situation where shes back at your place, and your trying to advance things, getting handsy, and shes playing coy and removes your hands, the first couple of times anyway, before finally going with it.

 

So where is the line? I dont think Ive ever crossed it. What about you?

[shorepatrol 1,737]

OH, you've crossed the line, we all have by these new "standards".

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I've crossed the line and had it crossed on me. No apparent harm called in either case as we laughed it off.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I may have lied now that I think about it. Gimme a ruling on this one geeks. Im not rich and famous so nobody will ever care, but whatever.

 

So one night, couple of years ago, Im at a bar here in china. I end up at a table full of Chinese college kids. Im there to scam on chick A, but shes giving me nothing, but her friend seems interested... these girls are 19, the guys are in their 30s.

 

I get my arm around her. Blah blah. Eventually we are drunk and making out in the bar.

 

Eventually a group of her and two (female) of her friends and a bunch of my friends end up at a ktv (karaoke in a private room.) me and her are making out, and one of my buddies is making out with another of her friends. The third is playing cold fish. I ask mine if she wants to go to a hotel.

 

Shes ok with it, but needs to convince her girls. They talk. Girl number two is also in, but they wont leave the third one. So one of our buddies takes one for the team, and gets her on board.

 

We all go to a hotel and get three rooms, and bid each other good night.

 

In my room, some fooling around went down, at my instigation. I was poised at the entrance to the gate, ready for entry, but I could tell that she didnt want it, even though she never said a word to protest. So I stopped. We slept.

 

Ended up dating the chick for a couple months. A while down the road, she tells me that she didnt want to go to the hotel that first night.

 

I was gobsmacked. Im Like... then why didnt you say so... and why did you talk your two friends into going along...

 

Anyway. That was about as far into the Grey area. I suppose if that evening was written on Facebook, it would look pretty bad. I dunno.

[Gladiators 1,904]

Good question. I got shot down once going down a girls pants while making out back in high school. Never crossed my mind to ask for permission. Also, no girl has ever asked for permission before giving me a hand job or blowjob.

 

I think if either person says no or physically refuses, then it has to be over or you could get in trouble. Im sure theres a legal answer to this...someday well be required to sign a contract before getting frisky.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513]

Just discussing this has crossed this new line.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Good question. I got shot down once going down a girls pants while making out back in high school. Never crossed my mind to ask for permission. Also, no girl has ever asked for permission before giving me a hand job or blowjob.

 

I think if either person says no or physically refuses, then it has to be over or you could get in trouble. Im sure theres a legal answer to this...someday well be required to sign a contract before getting frisky.

Ah, but there it gets tricky.

 

So you go up her shirt and she says no, and removes your hand. Youre done trying for the night? Of course not.

 

I had a roommate who brought her friend to stay at our house once. We were making out, and I went for boob. She said no, and removes my hand. Ten minutes later, I try again, and its all good. That girl ended up being a freak that night.

 

I guess by the book I should have stopped. But we all know thats not how it works. There is a difference between NO! and (giggle) no! (Giggle).

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Just discussing this has crossed this new line.

Consider it a male improvement workshop. We have to confess our sins and figure out what we did wrong. This is a judgment free zone.

 

Im kidding of course. My point is, I bet every single guy in here has pushed the envelope right to the edge many times. Hell, if you count trying to get a girl youve ALREADY slept with to give it up on a particular occasion (like a wife) you know were all rapists.

[Gladiators 1,904]

Ah, but there it gets tricky.

 

So you go up her shirt and she says no, and removes your hand. Youre done trying for the night? Of course not.

 

I had a roommate who brought her friend to stay at our house once. We were making out, and I went for boob. She said no, and removes my hand. Ten minutes later, I try again, and its all good. That girl ended up being a freak that night.

 

I guess by the book I should have stopped. But we all know thats not how it works. There is a difference between NO! and (giggle) no! (Giggle).

My personality, Id stop. Id go sleep out on the couch. Shed come ask whats wrong. Id tell her nothing...leave me alone and go home or go to bed. Then I wouldnt bother calling her again.

 

This is assuming Im only interested in sex. I havent ever been pushy though. Been lucky letting the girl decide how far she wants to go.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Good question. I got shot down once going down a girls pants while making out back in high school. Never crossed my mind to ask for permission. Also, no girl has ever asked for permission before giving me a hand job or blowjob.

 

I think if either person says no or physically refuses, then it has to be over or you could get in trouble. Im sure theres a legal answer to this...someday well be required to sign a contract before getting frisky.

There actually is an app for that. It videos a girl giving consent and asks if there is anything in particular she does not consent to. Seems like kind of a mood killer.

 

Although I guess if she says no, you know right from jump that anal is in play.

 

There is a prime example of what I mean. Who among us has not sent a finger or even the general himself to reconnoiter the back passage without authorization? Or even after express forbidding of such forays?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

My personality, Id stop. Id go sleep out on the couch. Shed come ask whats wrong. Id tell her nothing...leave me alone and go home or go to bed. Then I wouldnt bother calling her again.

 

This is assuming Im only interested in sex. I havent ever been pushy though. Been lucky letting the girl decide how far she wants to go.

Thats exactly my point. Especially when youre young, if youre not a little pushy, it dont happen. As women age, they get better at initiating. But for the most part, they EXPECT you to drive the car, so to speak.

 

In the course of history, what percentage of sex acts were initiated by men? Gotta be north of 90%.

 

And how many times have you tried for something you have no real expectation of success with, only to be surprised by an acquiescence?

 

I guess my point is this. Yes. No means no. If a chick says no and tells you to stop, you back the Fock off. Anything else is rape. And I mean real no here, not giggly playful, stop it, youre so bad stuff.

 

My point is that you cant acquiesce to an act, say nothing, and then claim it was assault later. That just flys in the face of how sexual encounters happen.

[Cdub100 3,379]

Nope, they all had it coming.

[kilroy69 994]

Sure.

[Djgb13 2,338]

OH, you've crossed the line, we all have by these new "standards".

This. Almost every guy in existence has "crossed the line" one time or another. The way I look at it is if she gives in to having sex then it's all good. If she's fighting with you and trying to push you off while you're trying to force yourself in then its assault.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

This. Almost every guy in existence has "crossed the line" one time or another. The way I look at it is if she gives in to having sex then it's all good. If she's fighting with you and trying to push you off while you're trying to force yourself in then its assault.

I guess thats what I want to know. According to these swj me too types, when is it ok to proceed with sex?

 

Do I need to explicitly ask? Get her written consent?

 

I mean what are the rules now?

 

There are grey areas before your whole fighting you and pushing you off scenario. There have been times when I knew she didnt want to and it would just be taking advantage of a girl in a whatever situation. Drunk. Lonely. Whatever.

 

Those are the grey areas we all have to make our calls on I guess.

 

Otherwise, the only times I have ever had an explicit conversation about what was going to happen was when I was ordering acts off a price list.

[Djgb13 2,338]

I guess thats what I want to know. According to these swj me too types, when is it ok to proceed with sex?

 

Do I need to explicitly ask? Get her written consent?

 

I mean what are the rules now?

 

There are grey areas before your whole fighting you and pushing you off scenario. There have been times when I knew she didnt want to and it would just be taking advantage of a girl in a whatever situation. Drunk. Lonely. Whatever.

 

Those are the grey areas we all have to make our calls on I guess.

 

Otherwise, the only times I have ever had an explicit conversation about what was going to happen was when I was ordering acts off a price list.

Honestly man your guess is as good as mine. Hell, some women are claiming a d1ck pic is considered rape (focking retarded I know). Your best bet is to just not get involved in women who seem to be the liberal, posting on social media, outrage women

[Gladiators 1,904]

Maybe gay is the way to go. Shrug

[Gladiators 1,904]

Or pull the No more d!ck move. I laughed at the video immensamind posted the other day.

[nobody 2,037]

I usually just grab a chick off the street and drag her into my van. Usually the girl will act like she doesn't want it and scream and cry. I just play along and punch her in the face a few times.

[vuduchile 1,941]

I've posted this stuff before but will repeat here

 

Banged 4 different subordinates over the course of 10 years at one company. All ended a little messy but one was messier than the others and I had to convince her that it was in her best interest to quit. All were kept under wraps but that last one was dicey for a bit.

 

Got fired from another company for failing to disclose a personal relationship with a direct report. Subsequently married and divorced her.

 

Met my current wife of 12 years at work. Disclosed the relationship right away. No issues.

[Strike 3,956]

I'm not sure. Let me go down to the basement and check......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ungagged her but she didn't say I crossed any lines. All good.

[TommyGavin 788]

I drrinks a lot. I most probably dids

[tanatastic 2,061]

Sure Ive stuck it in after they fell asleep a couple times. But they would have consented so its just a formality. Plus they were cool with it the next day. As far as crossing the line and harassing, nothing that I can recall thats noteworthy. Usual lewd remarks and kid stuff. Of course thats the stuff all of social media goes crazy over as if they are all perfect and never been rude in their life.

[IGotWorms 3,309]

Ive always been pretty cautious. Too cautious, really. So

Id say no.

 

Only exception is there were a few times where the gal and I were both pretty drunk and it was either a one night stand or we didnt know each other that well. So I guess someone could someday claim I took advantage of them when they were drunk, when in reality were just talking typical hookups.

[BunnysBastatrds 1,913]

A buddy of mine raped a girl in a bed next to mine in a motel during Jazz Fest. She never said no. But she never said yes. She was high and drunk. Hot chick. Looked like the girl who sang Black Velvet.

 

Got up the next morning and she was disgusted with my friend. I didn't know what to do. So I kicked him out and let him find his way. Twenty five years later he's a phag working at a Mexican restaurant in Austin sucking cack.

 

Hate that guy.

[Gepetto 982]

Girl grabbed felt my ###### through my pants tonight, I put my hand down her pants. We went to ###### and I was ready to go and she stopped me because she wanted more foreplay first. I then told her no, not going to happen now. Later though we ###### several times. She just left an hour ago.

[Brad GLuckman 518]

Girl grabbed felt my ###### through my pants tonight, I put my hand down her pants. We went to ###### and I was ready to go and she stopped me because she wanted more foreplay first. I then told her no, not going to happen now. Later though we ###### several times. She just left an hour ago.

You will pass up sex so you don't have to engage in foreplay?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Harassment or assault?

[TommyGavin 788]

Harassment or assault?

Exactly- getting caught up here. Big differences

[Gepetto 982]

You will pass up sex so you don't have to engage in foreplay?

 

 

No. Because the way she reacted I was no longer hard and we got dressed. So I told her that's it I'm not trying again. Reverse psychology and it worked.

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

 

No. Because the way she reacted I was no longer hard and we got dressed. So I told her that's it I'm not trying again. Reverse psychology and it worked.

Was this before or after you spread out the plastic and put Huey Lewis on?

[Gepetto 982]

Was this before or after you spread out the plastic and put Huey Lewis on?

LOL

[supermike80 1,285]

When your mom was turning tricks for me I grabbed her boob and told her she was holding out.......

[the s is ilent 69]

Is throwing quarters into a girls cleavage harassment?

 

Guilty

[edjr 5,556]

Was this before or after you spread out the plastic and put Huey Lewis on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MTSkiBum 1,594]

No.

[edjr 5,556]

Harassment or assault?

 

This.

 

Harassment, fock yes. that's my job in the work place. Don't wanna be harassed, be fat.

 

Assault. Fock no, I ain't a perv.

[MDC 5,890]

What ISNT assault these days???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just kidding, Im not a focking creeper so the answer is no.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Liked this one as well

 

[cbfalcon 824]

The worst thing I've likely done was back around 1999 or so. The girl came back to my place and was 100% into it. We were popping xanax and drinking straight vodka. We were having sex, 100% consensual, but then she simply passed out cold in the middle of it. It was obvious. I was probably less than a minute from completion so I finished the act. I felt like it was fine and I hadn't crossed any line. Then a bit later she mumbled that she wanted to be taken home, and I did so. Next day I get an instant message from her saying something to the effect of "Hey, it's ok and I'm not mad, but I'm pretty sore today and can't remember anything. Did we have sex?"...I omitted the part about her passing out and my finishing, but otherwise just told her the truth. All was fine, but I've debated my actions a few times.