Whats your towns heroin problem like?

[edjr 5,554]

Congrats on 5 years clean.

 

I agree with you on the pills. Right now, for so many they are the stepping stone to heroin.

 

I always think of you when this subject comes up. T&Ps

 

 

and the 20 junkies I banged the last few years

[shotsup 832]

At 16 I had a pill problem- doctor kept prescribing them I kept taking them. Then I found a guy that had a pharmacy in the trunk of his car. That's when it really became a problem. Thankfully never lead to heroin. Light rehab stay and done with it by 18. To this day I barely even pop an aspirin

[iam90sbaby 2,122]

It is just a bunch of stoners where I live.

[edjr 5,554]

At 16 I had a pill problem- doctor kept prescribing them I kept taking them. Then I found a guy that had a pharmacy in the trunk of his car. That's when it really became a problem. Thankfully never lead to heroin. Light rehab stay and done with it by 18. To this day I barely even pop an aspirin

 

 

I am very, very lucky that I don't have an addictive personality.

 

I'd be dead if I did, for sure.

[shotsup 832]

Dope used to be weed.

I still remember vividly 1987 going to my regular drug spot (212 St and Jamaica Ave Hollis NY AKA home of Run DMC)

Apartment over a deli - knocked on the door put $20 in the mail slot and from under the door came out a little baggie containing some Little Rock. Not the weed I was expecting.

 

Being a fearless Dbag I was knocking on the door yelling WTF is this . This is not what I wanted. Bla bla. Friend had a clearer mind and got us the hell out of there.

 

2 or 3 weeks later crack was all over the news and headlines.

[kilroy69 994]

Here is the thing. I would love to look at heroin addicts and say what dirty white trash. However the majority of these people were MADE into addicts by their doctors who gave them opioids like they were candy. Then cut them off at some point most likely cold turkey. They end up turning to straight street heroin

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Here is the thing. I would love to look at heroin addicts and say what dirty white trash. However the majority of these people were MADE into addicts by their doctors who gave them opioids like they were candy. Then cut them off at some point most likely cold turkey. They end up turning to straight street heroin

 

If I remember correctly, the number of people getting addicted due to a medical prescription to them was not that large. However, people would use other people's prescriptions for pain killers and that was contributory. I think that was the basis for changing how prescriptions are filled (smaller quantities, fewer refills, etc.) for opioid-based pain killers.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

Here is the thing. I would love to look at heroin addicts and say what dirty white trash. However the majority of these people were MADE into addicts by their doctors who gave them opioids like they were candy. Then cut them off at some point most likely cold turkey. They end up turning to straight street heroin

If I remember correctly, the number of people getting addicted due to a medical prescription to them was not that large. However, people would use other people's prescriptions for pain killers and that was contributory. I think that was the basis for changing how prescriptions are filled (smaller quantities, fewer refills, etc.) for opioid-based pain killers.

 

After addiction to opiates sets in, the withdrawal symptom behave like the pain that put me on th things to begin with. I kept thinking my back wasn't getting better. I was advised to go to a pain management specialist who simply gave me more stuff.

 

Once I realized my daily pain was caused by me having withdrawal symptoms it was WAY WAY WAY to late.

[edjr 5,554]

 

After addiction to opiates sets in, the withdrawal symptom behave like the pain that put me on th things to begin with. I kept thinking my back wasn't getting better. I was advised to go to a pain management specialist who simply gave me more stuff.

 

Once I realized my daily pain was caused by me having withdrawal symptoms it was WAY WAY WAY to late.

 

Girl I started dating last fall was a junkie, when I met her she was a few days from starting clinic. What a miserable few days that was. Being dope sick has to be one of the worst experiences a person can go through.

 

Only lasted a couple months. After doing research and realizing methadone was really just a crutch and not a solution. It just wasn't worth it. She had never and probably would never meet my son, what was the point?

[patweisers44 697]

 

Girl I started dating last fall was a junkie, when I met her she was a few days from starting clinic. What a miserable few days that was. Being dope sick has to be one of the worst experiences a person can go through.

 

Only lasted a couple months. After doing research and realizing methadone was really just a crutch and not a solution. It just wasn't worth it. She had never and probably would never meet my son, what was the point?

Seeing someone going thru the detox-ing process is a brutal thing to watch. You wish you could capture some of the images and play them the exact next time that person wanted to use.

[edjr 5,554]

Seeing someone going thru the detox-ing process is a brutal thing to watch. You wish you could capture some of the images and play them the exact next time that person wanted to use.

 

 

sadly, unless they really want to stop, it ain't happening. even then it's a battle and eventually a war

[parrot 789]

Pretty bad. I don't feel like we have many heroins at all. Not that many heroes either.

[patweisers44 697]

 

 

sadly, unless they really want to stop, it ain't happening. even then it's a war

You are correct.

 

Just an FYI Ed, my son is doing well, about two months clean. Just started a full-time job and living within a sober community. Attends 7-10 meetings a week and is active with his sponsor within the AA community as well. Considering how things were a few months back, this is as close to best case scenario as I could have hoped right now. You hear the phrase "one day at a time" often, but I don't think you really understand it until you start living with it, if that makes sense.

[penultimatestraw 473]

8 out of 10 times, yes Sir. you are correct.

 

quite often those people originally were, legally prescribed said pills after an accident or surgery.

This is a recent phenomenon, as over the last decade or so prescription narcotic abuse has become a huge problem. Cutting down prescriptions is a big topic in medicine right now, in contrast to when I trained when we were implored to treat pain as the "5th vital sign" and reminded not to undertreat.

 

I never understood why people like narcs so much, but my brain isn't wired for addiction.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

Methadone clinic, south Bronx. People would get the meth, hold it in their mouths, come out, spit it in a Dixie cup and sell it to a junkie.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

You are correct.

 

Just an FYI Ed, my son is doing well, about two months clean. Just started a full-time job and living within a sober community. Attends 7-10 meetings a week and is active with his sponsor within the AA community as well. Considering how things were a few months back, this is as close to best case scenario as I could have hoped right now. You hear the phrase "one day at a time" often, but I don't think you really understand it until you start living with it, if that makes sense.

Good news. Best of luck. There but for the grace of God go I.

[penultimatestraw 473]

If I remember correctly, the number of people getting addicted due to a medical prescription to them was not that large. However, people would use other people's prescriptions for pain killers and that was contributory. I think that was the basis for changing how prescriptions are filled (smaller quantities, fewer refills, etc.) for opioid-based pain killers.

 

yep, it's only a recent trend, and not just due to doctors overprescribing. No doctor wants to "make" a junkie, and most of us cringe when asked to prescribe opioids.

 

Doctors aren't without blame, of course, but most write prescriptions for the right reasons. Unfortunately there isn't a tool to objectively determine how much pain one experiences or their potential to become addicted. And we don't have lie detectors in our offices.

[edjr 5,554]

 

 

You are correct.

 

Just an FYI Ed, my son is doing well, about two months clean. Just started a full-time job and living within a sober community. Attends 7-10 meetings a week and is active with his sponsor within the AA community as well. Considering how things were a few months back, this is as close to best case scenario as I could have hoped right now. You hear the phrase "one day at a time" often, but I don't think you really understand it until you start living with it, if that makes sense.

 

Great news!

 

I liked a girl a few years back who told me she had a heroin problem. I didn't truly understand the horror it was or what she was going through, until I met this other girl last fall.

I learned so much about it and how horrific it is. She tried to be so honest with me, she told me every little detail, she really wanted it to work (her sobriety and relationship with me) but I just can't risk being dating someone like that. Not to mention my kids mother freaked about it.

 

Pat, another thing we have in common. Junkies and our love for Sugar Ray Leonard

[patweisers44 697]

 

It's liquid gross

 

 

Great news!

 

I liked a girl a few years back who told me she had a heroin problem. I didn't truly understand the horror it was or what she was going through, until I met this other girl last fall.

I learned so much about it and how horrific it is. She tried to be so honest with me, she told me every little detail, she really wanted it to work (her sobriety and relationship with me) but I just can't risk being dating someone like that. Not to mention my kids mother freaked about it.

They recommend at least 1 or 2 YEARS sober before you try to tackle the complexities of a relationship. Probably longer if the other party is an addict as well. No matter how nice, you were wise to stay away.

[edjr 5,554]

They recommend at least 1 or 2 YEARS sober before you try to tackle the complexities of a relationship. Probably longer if the other party is an addict as well. No matter how nice, you were wise to stay away.

 

She had never dated anyone that wasn't an addict before.

 

I'll text you a couple sexy pics of her

[vuduchile 1,941]

You are correct.

 

Just an FYI Ed, my son is doing well, about two months clean. Just started a full-time job and living within a sober community. Attends 7-10 meetings a week and is active with his sponsor within the AA community as well. Considering how things were a few months back, this is as close to best case scenario as I could have hoped right now. You hear the phrase "one day at a time" often, but I don't think you really understand it until you start living with it, if that makes sense.

Good news. Best wishes for you and your family.

[shotsup 832]

Good news. Best wishes for you and your family.

Ditto. I missed this above post -good luck man.

[vuduchile 1,941]

Weird. I just saw a FB notification that the 24 yr old daughter of someone we know died from an OD last night. No toxicology report yet, but her addiction was heroin and crack.

 

She started by abusing opioids, and it progressed from there.

 

This chick was drop dead gorgeous just outta high school. An easy 9. The last time I saw her was 2 years ago, and the drugs had begun to take their toll.

 

Now she's dead.

[Baker Boy 1,484]

No heroin problem here, there is plenty for all.

 

Thank you open borders!

[mobb_deep 917]

Here is the thing. I would love to look at heroin addicts and say what dirty white trash. However the majority of these people were MADE into addicts by their doctors who gave them opioids like they were candy. Then cut them off at some point most likely cold turkey. They end up turning to straight street heroin

 

People still need to take responsibility for their own addiction though.

 

I was on hydro and then oxy for almost 2 years, as I tried to push off back surgery. I eventually gave in and got the back surgery. As soon as I started doing my post op PT, I followed the doctors plan to ween myself off the opiates. I just slowly cut down my dosage over a 6 week period and have not taken a pill since. It sucked, but it was nowhere near as difficult as quitting smoking cigs was. It's been about 5 years since I had the surgery.

[kilroy69 994]

 

People still need to take responsibility for their own addiction though.

 

I was on hydro and then oxy for almost 2 years, as I tried to push off back surgery. I eventually gave in and got the back surgery. As soon as I started doing my post op PT, I followed the doctors plan to ween myself off the opiates. I just slowly cut down my dosage over a 6 week period and have not taken a pill since. It sucked, but it was nowhere near as difficult as quitting smoking cigs was. It's been about 5 years since I had the surgery.

Some people have the fortitude to do this. I am very happy that you were one of those but lot of people simply can not do that. I am not forgiving them or excusing their behavior. I was prescribed oxy for a knee surgery not long after they came out. I had the terrible triad. tore my ACL/MCL/Miniscus all at once. They gave me Oxys and Ibuprofen 800s. I literally never took a single oxy. Not one. I tossed them into the garbage and used the 800s. But think back to it and thank god for my decision. In the end it was not needed and should have never been given to me in the first place.

[penultimatestraw 473]

People still need to take responsibility for their own addiction though.

 

I was on hydro and then oxy for almost 2 years, as I tried to push off back surgery. I eventually gave in and got the back surgery. As soon as I started doing my post op PT, I followed the doctors plan to ween myself off the opiates. I just slowly cut down my dosage over a 6 week period and have not taken a pill since. It sucked, but it was nowhere near as difficult as quitting smoking cigs was. It's been about 5 years since I had the surgery.

This guy gets it.

 

The vast, vast majority of physicians prescribe narcotics for valid indications. Time restrictions sometimes promote them as a quick fix, but I've never met a doctor interested in creating an addict. On the flip side, many patients try to manipulate healthcare providers to get prescriptions, use other people's meds or seek actual drug dealers to obtain controlled substances. Fvck, there are posters on this bored who brag about tricking their doctors to fuel their addiction.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Some people have the fortitude to do this. I am very happy that you were one of those but lot of people simply can not do that. I am not forgiving them or excusing their behavior. I was prescribed oxy for a knee surgery not long after they came out. I had the terrible triad. tore my ACL/MCL/Miniscus all at once. They gave me Oxys and Ibuprofen 800s. I literally never took a single oxy. Not one. I tossed them into the garbage and used the 800s. But think back to it and thank god for my decision. In the end it was not needed and should have never been given to me in the first place.

 

This is BS. Beating addiction isn't easy, but it can be done. And opioids are 100% appropriate to prescribe for acute, severe pain - very few people prescribed them for legitimate indications become addicted.

[kilroy69 994]

This is BS. Beating addiction isn't easy, but it can be done. And opioids are 100% appropriate to prescribe for acute, severe pain - very few people prescribed them for legitimate indications become addicted.

I agree it can be done. I disagree that very few people get addicted to them that are prescribed them. That's painting a Rosey picture at best

[penultimatestraw 473]

I agree it can be done. I disagree that very few people get addicted to them that are prescribed them. That's painting a Rosey picture at best

I guess it depends what you consider a few, but the percentage of people who become addicts following opioid prescription isn't high, probably less than 10%. This link addresses some of the numbers: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/opioid-addiction-is-a-huge-problem-but-pain-prescriptions-are-not-the-cause/

[Fireballer 2,376]

The last 4-6 months, its calmed down a little. The previous 6-12 months it got to epidemic proportions. My guys were pushing Narcan numerous times daily. ODs are blown off I think because Narcan is so easy to administer and works so fast with no ill effects. Ive seen the poorest of the poor, and white collar execs ODed in Beemers and Mercedes parked in dark alleys. Drugs certainly dont discriminate.

[vuduchile 1,941]

Now the leading cause of death for people under 50?

 

Sorta hard to fathom, but Huff Po says so.

 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_593428e6e4b062a6ac0ad0c6

[edjr 5,554]

3 face trafficking charges after large fentanyl bust

 

 

Three Gloucester residents who were pulled over in a traffic stop late Friday night are facing drug trafficking and distribution charges after Gloucester detectives found large quantities of the drug fentanyl in their clothing and in their vehicle.

Kyle S. Barry, 29, was being held in Middleton Jail on $75,000 bail as of Tuesday, while Haley S. Hart-Labrie, 23, of 280 Essex Ave., was held on $50,000 bail after their arraignments late Monday afternoon in Gloucester District Court.

Joshua S. LeBlanc, 26, of 9 Blueberry Lane, was arraigned Tuesday afternoon and was also being held on $75,000 bail in Middleton.

All are charged with trafficking 36 grams or more of a Class B substance (fentanyl), possession of Class B and C substances, and possession of a Class C substance (Xanax) with intent to distribute. The trafficking and intent to distribute charges are all felonies, and are eligible for transfer to Superior Court, meaning the defendants could face state prison time.

All three defendants are scheduled to appear for show-cause hearings in Gloucester District Court on June 30.

The charges stem from an 11:13 p.m. traffic stop on Concord Street Friday, and came after Detective Jonathan Trefry, following up on tips from confidential sources that LeBlanc and Barry — known opioid users, according to the police report — were making nighttime trips to the Lawrence area to buy quantities of fentanyl.

The drug is a powerful synthetic opioid that is increasingly being mixed with heroin and sold to users; it is also cited for a growing number of fatal overdoses due to its potency, Gloucester Police Chief John McCarthy said last week.

Friday night, one police source told Detective Thomas Quinn that LeBlanc and Barry had left on a trip to buy around 60 grams of fentanyl and 100 packs of Xanax prescription pills. The trio had 56 grams of fentanyl when they were caught, according to court documents.

According to Trefry’s report, he set up surveillance on Route 128 northbound, identified LeBlanc’s car traveling at a high rate of speed toward Gloucester, and pulled the vehicle over after it exited onto Concord Street.

When Trefry approached the car, he saw one passenger (later identified as Hart-Labrie and LeBlanc’s girlfriend) attempting to put something into her dress and her underwear, while Barry, in the back seat, tried to keep his legs close together as if he was “clenching contraband.”

When he separated his legs, a package of purported cigars fell to the ground, but Trefry found what appeared to be multiple large bags of heroin or fentanyl tucked inside the cigar bag Barry had hidden in his underwear.

Hart-Labrie then admitted to police she had small quantities of the same drug hidden inside her bra and underwear and turned the drugs over to police, while officers also found newly packaged hypodermic needles on a seat and a black security box that proved to contain Xanax pills. All were taken as evidence.

In an interview at the police station, Barry told detectives the three had gone to buy drugs from a dealer named “Raf,” and that “one of Raf’s guys” had met them outside a hotel off a Route 93 exit in Methuen, according to Trefry’s report. Barry said all three had contacted “Raf” about making drug buys.

Trefry’s report notes the cell phones of all three defendants were also seized as “evidence, and that Hart-Labrie’s and Barry’s phones “continuously rang” while they were at the police station during booking.

“Barry’s phone rang with a number labeled as ‘Raf’ numerous times,” the report reads, while LaBrie’s phone, at one point, received a text message reading, “Can I buy a 40?” Trefry wrote that, based on his training and experience, the person on the other end was seeking to buy a $40 bag of heroin or fentanyl.

[Cruzer 1,992]

3 face trafficking charges after large fentanyl bust

 

Friday night, one police source told Detective Thomas Quinn that LeBlanc and Barry had left on a trip to buy around 60 grams of fentanyl and 100 packs of Xanax prescription pills. The trio had 56 grams of fentanyl when they were caught, according to court documents.

According to Trefry’s report, he set up surveillance on Route 128 northbound, identified LeBlanc’s car traveling at a high rate of speed toward Gloucester, and pulled the vehicle over after it exited onto Concord Street.

It kills me how focking stupid these people are.. All that contraband shiit on their person - and they're hauling ass down the road.

[edjr 5,554]

It kills me how focking stupid these people are.. All that contraband shiit on their person - and they're hauling ass down the road.

 

they were getting bagged anyway. The rats had ratted.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

This is BS. Beating addiction isn't easy, but it can be done. And opioids are 100% appropriate to prescribe for acute, severe pain - very few people prescribed them for legitimate indications become addicted.

Disagree. There is no beating addiction, there is not using. I'll wager you have never attended any kind of "meeting". Should be mandatory for doctors to attend these things at least once. People in there can be "sober" for any length of time and "relapse".

[iam90sbaby 2,122]

I guess it depends what you consider a few, but the percentage of people who become addicts following opioid prescription isn't high, probably less than 10%. This link addresses some of the numbers: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/opioid-addiction-is-a-huge-problem-but-pain-prescriptions-are-not-the-cause/

 

So 10% is okay with you? You were acting like 0.01% was really high just a few days ago.

[edjr 5,554]

Disagree. There is no beating addiction, there is not using. I'll wager you have never attended any kind of "meeting". Should be mandatory for doctors to attend these things at least once. People in there can be "sober" for any length of time and "relapse".

 

Fact.

There is no beating addiction. it is still an every day struggle. every single focking DAY these people think of getting high.

 

I know people that have gone, 12, 15 years and then lose their battle.

[penultimatestraw 473]

So 10% is okay with you? You were acting like 0.01% was really high just a few days ago.

No I'm not Ok with it. My point is the vast majority of addicts aren't created by doctors inappropriately prescribing pain meds. People with addictive personalities seek drugs, often in places other than their doctor's office. And those who do may deceive their doctors, who are just trying to do their job.

 

Doctors aren't without blame, but they also aren't the main ones responsible for our drug crisis by a long shot.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Disagree. There is no beating addiction, there is not using. I'll wager you have never attended any kind of "meeting". Should be mandatory for doctors to attend these things at least once. People in there can be "sober" for any length of time and "relapse".

 

Semantics. You're probably right about educating doctors, but there are only so many hours in the day. While I've never been to a "meeting", I have been to medical conferences and read journals that discuss the problem and potential solutions.