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I think the Patriots will do a better job stopping the run this week. I do not think Willie Parker is better then McGahee. I also do not think the intangibles of playing on MNF, and hte home crowd will be there for Pitt. I think this will lead to early mistakes against the Pats D in foxboro.

 

On defense Polomalu is hurt, and I don't think they are as talented as Baltimore. We aslo play much better at home.

 

Polamalu may be be back, and at this juncture I think Kendall Simmons on the o-line and Santonio Holmes have been the harder injuries to overcome. I don't think Parker is a better back than McGahee either, but he does have a much better line, much better QB and better talent around him. And make no mistakes, the Steelers defense IS better than Baltimore's. Baltimore benefited from the high winds throwing off the Pat's passing game. This one boils down to stupid mistakes, if they don't make them, they got a shot...

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The Patriots are going to destroy the Steelers. There is no way the Steelers can win and Brady is going to throw 4 TDs in a win. The Steelers are a joke and Hines86 is going to cry like a baby when his team loses. Is this the same Steelers team that lost 3 games to crappy teams? The same Steelers that got owned by the Jets? I thought the Steelers fans all died or ran off. Only a delusional Steelers fan would claim they had a chance to beat NE. Enjoy the beatdown and don't cry Hines86!

 

Patriots 31 Steelers 17 :lol:

Why would I cry like a baby if a rookie head coach goes up to NE and loses to one of the best teams of all time?

 

Ya see pimpretard, the difference is I know my team's limitations. Find me a post anywhere where I said the Steelers would win the title or beat NE or even Dallas for that matter. Take your sh!t elsewhere.

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Why would I cry like a baby if a rookie head coach goes up to NE and loses to one of the best teams of all time?

 

Ya see pimpretard, the difference is I know my team's limitations. Find me a post anywhere where I said the Steelers would win the title or beat NE or even Dallas for that matter. Take your sh!t elsewhere.

 

What do you guys think of Tomlin thus far?

 

From this perspective, it seems like he is young, fair, and has the respect of his team. Maybe not with the same facial expressions, but sort of like Cowher. If he continues on this path, you have to think that the Rooneys did another good job and set themselves up for a while like they did with Noll and Cowher.

 

Is that what people are thinking in Pittsburgh?

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What do you guys think of Tomlin thus far?

 

From this perspective, it seems like he is young, fair, and has the respect of his team. Maybe not with the same facial expressions, but sort of like Cowher. If he continues on this path, you have to think that the Rooneys did another good job and set themselves up for a while like they did with Noll and Cowher.

 

Is that what people are thinking in Pittsburgh?

I think he is a great fit so far. He's all business, like a younger Cowher before he got soft. I'm not in Pittsburgh but friends who are out there love the guy.

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Young's point was that it's ironic that the Patriots benefited from a rule that was created because of how they played defense in the past, not that they benefited from a call on an infraction that they still routinely commit without a flag being thrown, as you seem to insinuate...

 

Also, eventhough I will be the first to admit that the Patriots got the benefit of that holding call, which eventhough it is a clear-cut infraction is hardly ever called in that instance, and probably got more than a fair-shake from the officials, its not like the officials didn't screw the Pats at all either; If you believe Brady and Moss WRs were being held throughout the game without a flag being thrown, Vrabel had words with the officials after the game regarding how the game was called and I haven't seen one mention of the non-call on the play where Brady threw deep to Randy Moss (who had at least 5 yards on McCallister and Ed Reed), the pass was underthrown causing Moss to slow and Ed Reed ran right into Moss without once looking back for the ball...

 

Okay, first. The rule was not created because of how the Patriots played defense. It was reinforced. The rule was created in the late 1970's because of Mel Blount. It had been lax, and the Patriots reaped the reward. Let's not re-write history, please.

 

Second, I know this may come as a shock, but teams, even teams with great receivers can be kept from storming a team by good, solid defense. The game isn't all about offense.

 

Third, I didn't see the play, so understand this as a rule of thumb. If a receiver has to come back, it is his responsibility to avoid the defender in that scenario. The defender "has the line", and a receiver has no more right to disrupt that than vice-versa. In that case, Ed Reed would not be responsible to "look back for the ball." That's a misnomor.

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Patriots 37 - Steelers 13

The Pats will stop the Steelers running game cold. The Steelers will be overconfident regarding the running game and they won't be prepared to adjust when they get stonewalled. Furthermore the play action passing that is dependent on a solid running game won't work and this will lead to Ben RoethisBUMBLER making a mistake early. It will probably be a mistake on play action that the Pats snuff out forcing him to throw while on the run to his left. These early mistakes will lead directly to Patriots points and an early abandonment of the running game by the Steel.

 

On offense the Patriots are going to use play action and they will attack the Steelers secondary deep. I also expect to see a few WR screens this game. I think the Pats WR's have been terrible lately and I saw at least 5 maybe 6 drops in the Monday Night game. I do not expect Randy Moss or Ben Watson to drop a TD this game.

 

Steelers are in for a long night.

 

I'm trying to figure out why you think that the Steelers would be overconfident in their running game. It has not been as dominant as in years past, so there is no reason to think that they aren't going to respect the fact that they absolutely have to mix it up.

 

Roethlisbumbler . . ha, that's funny. Because he's really sucked this year. Stunk his way right to a 102 passer rating.

 

I fully expect that the Patriots will attack the Steelers deep early. They have done so in every game that they've played them. It's like a mantra. The funny thing is, this year, I'm hoping that they take that strategy. But go ahead and think that way. Sometime you'll look at the way the Pittsburgh defense works (overall and this year, especially), and then you'll see a different game.

 

Just remember, there are two teams on the field this Sunday. That seems forgotten at times.

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Okay, first. The rule was not created because of how the Patriots played defense. It was reinforced. The rule was created in the late 1970's because of Mel Blount. It had been lax, and the Patriots reaped the reward. Let's not re-write history, please.

 

Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. The rule wasn't created because of one guy. Talk about rewriting history.....

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Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. The rule wasn't created because of one guy. Talk about rewriting history.....

 

There were others, of course, but Mel Blount was the "face to the rule," as it were. Not re-writing anything.

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There were others, of course, but Mel Blount was the "face to the rule," as it were. Not re-writing anything.

 

There were plenty of others, that's for sure. Flags were flying left and right in the secondaries in '78-79.

 

I'm not taking anything away from Mel, as he was one of the best cover guys ever. I'm just saying I never heard of it being referred to as the "Mel Blount Rule" until about a month ago. I don't remember hearing that term in '78. Must have been a Pittsburgh thing.

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There were plenty of others, that's for sure. Flags were flying left and right in the secondaries in '78-79.

 

I'm not taking anything away from Mel, as he was one of the best cover guys ever. I'm just saying I never heard of it being referred to as the "Mel Blount Rule" until about a month ago. I don't remember hearing that term in '78. Must have been a Pittsburgh thing.

 

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"Mel Blount: At 6'4", 205 lbs., his guy would be a huge CB even by today's standards; in the 70's, he was an absolute giant! Blount was so good that the NFL made rule changes in '78 (a.k.a., the Mel Blount rule) in an effort to contain his supremacy of the "bump and run" technique."

 

 

:overhead:

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"Mel Blount: At 6'4", 205 lbs., his guy would be a huge CB even by today's standards; in the 70's, he was an absolute giant! Blount was so good that the NFL made rule changes in '78 (a.k.a., the Mel Blount rule) in an effort to contain his supremacy of the "bump and run" technique."

:overhead:

 

Like I said - a Pittsburgh thing.

 

Macmillen and Wife - wasn't Susan St. James in that show? Sunday night mysteries, right? Most people liked Columbo. I was a McCloud fan myself.

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Like I said - a Pittsburgh thing.

 

Macmillen and Wife - wasn't Susan St. James in that show? Sunday night mysteries, right? Most people liked Columbo. I was a McCloud fan myself.

 

You said you never heard of it until a month ago. I was pointing out that that "term" has been around for longer than you think, and if you google it, you will find out that it was around back when Mel played. Just trying to help ya out. :overhead:

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Anybody got an update on Troy Pouaouaoualomuaouaouoa??

 

Could very well be the key to the game.

 

Last I heard he should play....although the Steelers "D" has played better this year without him. At least that's what many people are saying, myself included. For some reason he is missing alot of tackles and over-running plays this year. Very un-Troy like. :music_guitarred:

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Last I heard he should play....although the Steelers "D" has played better this year without him. At least that's what many people are saying, myself included. For some reason he is missing alot of tackles and over-running plays this year. Very un-Troy like. :music_guitarred:

 

Yeah, some rabid Pitts fan that I know was telling me that his replacement is one vicious SOB. She swears he's better than Troy. I just remember Troy being involved in pretty much every tackle when they knocked my Broncos out a few years ago.

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Yeah, some rabid Pitts fan that I know was telling me that his replacement is one vicious SOB. She swears he's better than Troy. I just remember Troy being involved in pretty much every tackle when they knocked my Broncos out a few years ago.

 

he hasn't been healthy much this year and he has, he hasn't played up to his standards.

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You said you never heard of it until a month ago. I was pointing out that that "term" has been around for longer than you think, and if you google it, you will find out that it was around back when Mel played. Just trying to help ya out. :rolleyes:

 

And my point was that the term must have been something native to the Pittsburgh area, as it certainly wasn't a household term like the "Gastineau Rule" in the 80's. Referencing a Steeler homer website doesn't help me out.

 

The first time I heard the term was actually because of this forum. BirdbrainBeezlebubBigBoobsBobbyOrr was arguing that Ty Law was as good or better a DB than Blount, which is laughable. Someone (hines maybe?) pointed out that rule changes were made because of Blount. That got me curious, so I googled Blount's name for the hell of it. His Wikipedia page said nothing about the "Mel Blount Rule", or that the chuck rule was made because of him. This was about 10:00 PM. The next morning, I just happened to check out Blount's Wikipedia page, and lo and behold, there was a blurb added about the "Mel Blount Rule". The page said that it had been updated around 5:00 that morning.

 

Thread on FFToday containing Mel Blount rule - Blounts' Wikipedia page updated. Coincidence? I think not!

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And my point was that the term must have been something native to the Pittsburgh area, as it certainly wasn't a household term like the "Gastineau Rule" in the 80's. Referencing a Steeler homer website doesn't help me out.

 

The first time I heard the term was actually because of this forum. BirdbrainBeezlebubBigBoobsBobbyOrr was arguing that Ty Law was as good or better a DB than Blount, which is laughable. Someone (hines maybe?) pointed out that rule changes were made because of Blount. That got me curious, so I googled Blount's name for the hell of it. His Wikipedia page said nothing about the "Mel Blount Rule", or that the chuck rule was made because of him. This was about 10:00 PM. The next morning, I just happened to check out Blount's Wikipedia page, and lo and behold, there was a blurb added about the "Mel Blount Rule". The page said that it had been updated around 5:00 that morning.

 

Thread on FFToday containing Mel Blount rule - Blounts' Wikipedia page updated. Coincidence? I think not!

 

Well, whatever. Fact remains that that term has been around longer than you think, regardless if you think it is native to the Burgh or not (which it isn't). And you're using wiki for "facts"? That's your problem right there.

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Well, whatever. Fact remains that that term has been around longer than you think, regardless if you think it is native to the Burgh or not (which it isn't). And you're using wiki for "facts"? That's your problem right there.

 

Go back and read post #50.

 

I never said I was going there looking for facts. I just mentioned that's the page I went to when I googled him. I know any moron can update a Wiki page. I was just noting the incredible coincidence that happened when I went there.

 

Like I said, the "Mel Blount Rule" is no "Mark Gastineau Rule", that's for sure.

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Go back and read post #50.

 

I never said I was going there looking for facts. I just mentioned that's the page I went to when I googled him. I know any moron can update a Wiki page. I was just noting the incredible coincidence that happened when I went there.

 

Like I said, the "Mel Blount Rule" is no "Mark Gastineau Rule", that's for sure.

 

I don't care about this Gastineau rule...a rule I never heard of. All I did was try to explain to you that the term referring to Mel Blount was around alot longer than a month, which is when you said you first heard it. That's all. Why the focking argument?? :dunno:

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Polamalu update

 

"One day after returning to practice for the first time since missing two games, safety Troy Polamalu did not practice today and might not play in Sunday's Steelers game against the New England Patriots.

 

Polamalu, who has a sprained knee, would be replaced for the third game in a row by safety Tyrone Carter.

 

"We'll see where he is tomorrow," said Coach Mike Tomlin, who would not say if Polamalu's injury was a setback for the three-time Pro Bowl safety. "We'll list his [injury] status like we do every Friday.""

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I don't care about this Gastineau rule...a rule I never heard of. All I did was try to explain to you that the term referring to Mel Blount was around alot longer than a month, which is when you said you first heard it. That's all. Why the focking argument?? :shocking:

 

The argument is because he wants this to be a regional connotation. I frankly don't care. The point that Thornton doesn't want to see is that Mel Blount was the best of his era - maybe the best ever - and the style of play, epitomized in him, created a rule change because of it. There were others, but no one did like, or as well as, Blount. Well, maybe Hayes. :lol:

 

Further, my statement was not to glamorize Mel Blount, but to point out the errancy of CelticPride's comment. That's all. Credit belongs in the 70s, whether you want to acknowledge Blount as the reason or not. That's re-writing history, and its motives are transparent.

 

By the way, Thornton Melon, I am not from, nor have I ever lived in, Pittsburgh, and I heard of the rule long before the Internet, or Wikipedia for that matter. But think as you will.

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I don't care about this Gastineau rule...a rule I never heard of. All I did was try to explain to you that the term referring to Mel Blount was around alot longer than a month, which is when you said you first heard it. That's all. Why the focking argument?? :doublethumbsup:

 

You said I was taking Wikipedia as fact, and I wasn't. Of course I'm going to argue.

 

And who the hell has never heard of the Gastineau rule? Wow.....

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The argument is because he wants this to be a regional connotation. I frankly don't care. The point that Thornton doesn't want to see is that Mel Blount was the best of his era - maybe the best ever - and the style of play, epitomized in him, created a rule change because of it. There were others, but no one did like, or as well as, Blount. Well, maybe Hayes. :pointstosky:

 

I said as much. Post #52

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You said I was taking Wikipedia as fact, and I wasn't. Of course I'm going to argue.

 

And who the hell has never heard of the Gastineau rule? Wow.....

 

Same could be said for you who "only" heard of the Mel Blount rule a friggin month ago. Wow....

 

:rolleyes:

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So, are any of you Pitt fans ready for a sig bet on this game?

 

That should probably be another thread. I'll be in. :rolleyes:

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So, are any of you Pitt fans ready for a sig bet on this game?

 

Apologies. I don't bet. But I will be here on Monday, regardless of the outcome.

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And my point was that the term must have been something native to the Pittsburgh area, as it certainly wasn't a household term like the "Gastineau Rule" in the 80's. Referencing a Steeler homer website doesn't help me out.

 

The first time I heard the term was actually because of this forum. BirdbrainBeezlebubBigBoobsBobbyOrr was arguing that Ty Law was as good or better a DB than Blount, which is laughable. Someone (hines maybe?) pointed out that rule changes were made because of Blount. That got me curious, so I googled Blount's name for the hell of it. His Wikipedia page said nothing about the "Mel Blount Rule", or that the chuck rule was made because of him. This was about 10:00 PM. The next morning, I just happened to check out Blount's Wikipedia page, and lo and behold, there was a blurb added about the "Mel Blount Rule". The page said that it had been updated around 5:00 that morning.

 

Thread on FFToday containing Mel Blount rule - Blounts' Wikipedia page updated. Coincidence? I think not!

 

 

Look, I'll go on record and say that the more I've read about Mel Blount the more I've been convinced of his absolute greatness. From what I've read the only defensive backs that are equal to Mel Blount would probably be Ronnie Lott and Deion Branch. Ronnie because he was simply the best Defensive back in history and Deion because of his all around package and ability to shut down his side. I also realize Ty Law was a level below that group of players.

 

However, if you look at Ty Law's stats and consider what he's done in the NFL, multiple SuperBowl Championships, making major plays made on the biggest stage, being the leader on a great defense, - then really look at his and Mel Blount's Pro Bowls, tackles, Int's Fumbles recovered, TD's scored and SuperBowls won. Ty Law compares with anyone whoever played the game.

 

Specifically in the case of Ty vs Mel Blount Law has the clear advantange when you look at INT's returned for TD's during the playoffs and SuperBowls. I'm not saying he's better then Blount, I am saying he's a great damn player and there's nothing laughable about mentioning his name. You can run your mouth all you want or you can do what I did and check the stats. You'll probably come away with the opinion that Mel Blount was still better, but suprised to see how great of a career Ty Law has had. I'm not arguing with you bro, just check the stats. Personally I'm glad about that previous debate because it taught me about one of the NFL's greatest players.

 

Thorton is correct it was the Mel Blount rule. It's because the Steelers/Mel Blount were too physical with the WR's. The Patriots at that time World Champions were also very physical and utilized that hard nose full contact style of coverage, the league was ordered to "reemphasize the callng of pass interference and holding" after the Colts whined to the NFL. A lot of people refered to it as the Ty Law rule because Ty Law owned the Colts WR"s including Marvelous Marvin Harrison and Peyton. It was originally the Mel Blount rule.

 

Patriots 37-13

 

On a side note, I think Polomalu is a freaking great player. He is a difference maker and he's definitely someone the Pats will have to gameplan for. I'm hoping he's at half speed. He's like a crazy Jimmy Snuka running all over the place.

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No idea what the outcome will be. The Pats have had a lot of success against the Steelers except for the game in '04 when the Pats had no healthy RBs and Pittsburgh blitzed like crazy knowing the Pats were gonna be passing all game. So the Pats should be able to handle the Steelers again, right? After all they've already lost 3 times on the road this year. But the Pats seem to have lost their homefield advantage. Last year they had 3 losses at home and only 1 only the road during the regular season. The players even commented on the lack of crowd noise. My brother went to the Eagles game a few weeks ago and said it was dead quiet most of the game. Not sure how much all that matters but I know Pittsburgh will be fired up and that Pats can't come out flat. As a Pats fan it would be nice to hear the crowd make some noise when Pittsburgh is on offense.

 

I think the big key to the game will be 3rd down. Both teams rank very high on 3rd down conversions and 3rd down stops.

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Why would I cry like a baby if a rookie head coach goes up to NE and loses to one of the best teams of all time?

 

Ya see pimpretard, the difference is I know my team's limitations. Find me a post anywhere where I said the Steelers would win the title or beat NE or even Dallas for that matter. Take your sh!t elsewhere.

 

So you acknowledge the Steelers suck? :rolleyes:

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I am very surprised visiting polls on other sites that the Steelers are picked to win. I personally think the Pats will spread them out and throw all day long and win by 3 TD's. Pittsburgh has not been impressive on the road this year and the mini slump for New England ends Sunday.

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I am very surprised visiting polls on other sites that the Steelers are picked to win. I personally think the Pats will spread them out and throw all day long and win by 3 TD's. Pittsburgh has not been impressive on the road this year and the mini slump for New England ends Sunday.

 

I hear you here, and I'm a Steelers fan. The only thing that I would say in defense is that they played teams that they thought they could roll over and played flat. I saw the Broncos travesty, and I know they played flat, for the first half. It was pathetic. I was very disappointed in the coaching staff after that game, because that was all on them. Just pure crap. That's my biggest concern. I honestly think people are making too much of the road record. I think it has more to do with their annoying tendency to play down to some competition. Maybe I'm wrong, and they truly do suck, but they handled their division road games with aplomb. Perhaps they were emotionally ready for those games . . . hmmm. By the way, this isn't an excuse; I believe it's a flaw. I also think it's what has made the Patriots impressive this year; they don't have games where they don't show up.

 

 

As far as your other point, though, I think you're underestimating the Steelers' defense. Or perhaps placing your understanding of them in years past. If the Patriots make themselves one-dimensional on offense, they will lose, and I'm sure that their coaching staff is aware of it. I know the argument is that there is no other other receiving corps and QB like the Patriots. Moss, Stalloworth, Welker, Watson and Brady at QB is really, really good.

 

Johnson, Houshmandzadeh, Henry, Chatman, Kelly and Palmer at QB isn't too bad, either.

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Patriots 37-13

 

On a side note, I think Polomalu is a freaking great player. He is a difference maker and he's definitely someone the Pats will have to gameplan for. I'm hoping he's at half speed. He's like a crazy Jimmy Snuka running all over the place.

 

 

What now? What now? WHAT NOW!!! ???

 

I have no interest in being classy or giving a crap. I'm only interesting in calling out all of the loudmouths on this site.

 

OK here's where you say I'm a loudmouth but when the Pats suck I'll be the 1st to say "THE PATS SUCK!"

 

But for now.. you guys KNOW NOTHING! stop watching football because you are clueless.

 

"well done is better then well said" Tom Brady.. this freaking week.

 

FACIAL!

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