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It's time to do away with the tightend position

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Here's the thing. We usually don't score tightends any differently than receivers. The NFL is moving to a point where they pretty much lineup in the slot on a regular basis. I don't see why we treat them as a separate category of pass catcher.

 

In the league I run, we lump tightends and wide receivers together. Today I ask you to join me in this brave new world. A world where we don't discriminate by size, or by proximity to the edge of the o-line or by propensity to block more or block less. Let's treat these pass catchers the same and end the senseless segregation. If a players primary job is in the context of fantasy football is to catch passes, then, by golly, that player should be considered with all pass catchers. Change Starts With Us!

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A few of the leagues I'm in have been doing that for sometime .

 

I like it .

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I have a league like that. I think it takes away from strategy. The more flexible positions and the less positions to draft means less strategy imo.

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I'm on the side of getting rid of the TE position. Just make the WR position a combo of WR/TE. This way you can still use them if you want to but don't have to. There are only three really worth a crap anyway.

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I have a league like that. I think it takes away from strategy. The more flexible positions and the less positions to draft means less strategy imo.

In some ways I think it would be more strategical. Most people just read rankings off a list divvied up by position, but when you combine the two, only hardcase fantasy football geeks such as ourselves are willing to seek out lists are make them ourselves.

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We've had we/te for teh past 20 years. Welcome to the 21st century :nobodytrademarkthumbsup:

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next you will want to get rid of kicker and def

The NFL is already doing that .

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I'm on the side of getting rid of the TE position. Just make the WR position a combo of WR/TE. This way you can still use them if you want to but don't have to. There are only three really worth a crap anyway.

Agree I think it works out very will .

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In some ways I think it would be more strategical. Most people just read rankings off a list divvied up by position, but when you combine the two, only hardcase fantasy football geeks such as ourselves are willing to seek out lists are make them ourselves.

I agree , it just removes a postion that most look at as a fill in spot , because they have to .

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I have a league like that. I think it takes away from strategy. The more flexible positions and the less positions to draft means less strategy imo.

Fill the same as you. Our league also lumps them in. To be honest I could go either way.

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If you’re a fantasy enthusiast, you want the game structured in such a way to maximize the opportunity for 1) the effort you put in and 2) the quality of your decision making to be able to distinguish yourself from the more casual participants that you’ll be competing against. Simplifying things by eliminating the TE distinction is a step toward defeating this purpose.

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If youre a fantasy enthusiast, you want the game structured in such a way to maximize the opportunity for 1) the effort you put in and 2) the quality of your decision making to be able to distinguish yourself from the more casual participants that youll be competing against. Simplifying things by eliminating the TE distinction is a step toward defeating this purpose.

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I prefer having TE and K and D/ST. The more starters the more avenues to build your team imo.

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Completely agree Ralphster. I am not buying at all that it creates more strategy. Let me give you this example and see if you still disagree.

 

What if we lumped running back and receiver into the same category and just had 6 spots that could be either or. You just take the point projections from both positions and meld them into one and then go down your list. There is no need to decide between a running back or receiver when drafting, especially when it's wise to consider the largest scoring advantage an available player has according to his position.

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The leagues that I'm involved that have removed the Te postion , have replaced that postion with a Wr/Te flex .

 

Still lots of strategy involved and still the same number of starters .

 

Just an elimination of a postion that after the top four or five players are drafted is pretty weak , it actually makes it even more competitive.

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Completely agree Ralphster. I am not buying at all that it creates more strategy. Let me give you this example and see if you still disagree.

What if we lumped running back and receiver into the same category and just had 6 spots that could be either or. You just take the point projections from both positions and meld them into one and then go down your list. There is no need to decide between a running back or receiver when drafting, especially when it's wise to consider the largest scoring advantage an available player has according to his position.

That's called a flex .

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The leagues that I'm involved that have removed the Te postion , have replaced that postion with a Wr/Te flex .

 

Still lots of strategy involved and still the same number of starters .

 

Just an elimination of a postion that after the top four or five players are drafted is pretty weak , it actually makes it even more competitive.

I agree that it can definitely make a league more competitive. It makes drafting easier on the weaker drafters so that they are more equal with those of us who put more time in.

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It's not an elimination of a position. You can still play a TE or even two it you'd like. All it does it eliminate the TE position being mandatory.

 

How many TEs are there that you honestly want? There are about 3 or 4 that people want the rest no one cares about. Each year there are only a few TEs that actually put up a decent amount of points while the rest are just an after thought.

 

If you make the WR position just a receiver position where you could start a WR or TE you will still get the good TEs being drafted in their usual spots and the rest would just be forgotten because they are almost worthless.

 

If a TE manages to get hot during the year you just pick him up and start him instead of a struggling WR on your team. I honestly think it makes it more enjoyable.

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If youre a fantasy enthusiast, you want the game structured in such a way to maximize the opportunity for 1) the effort you put in and 2) the quality of your decision making to be able to distinguish yourself from the more casual participants that youll be competing against. Simplifying things by eliminating the TE distinction is a step toward defeating this purpose.

Nailed it.

 

We have special scoring for TE in my league to account for their uniqueness.

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Nailed it.

We have special scoring for TE in my league to account for their uniqueness.

Now some of the leagues I'm in that Do have a Te postion still, do this also .

 

Scoring system just for TE's is a good ideal if you keep that postion .

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I agree that it can definitely make a league more competitive. It makes drafting easier on the weaker drafters so that they are more equal with those of us who put more time in.

I can understand your view of this topic .

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How many TEs are there that you honestly want? There are about 3 or 4 that people want the rest no one cares about.

As many as I can roster in my 16 team league that starts 1 TE and has 2 Flex spots. TE gets 1.5 PPR and .12 per receiving yard.

Especially if they might be the next Gronk or J.Graham, Kelce, etc.

 

But yall don't know about stuff like that in your old-style, unoriginal 10 team ESPN leagues where you're still starting 2 RB, 3 WR, no flex and half of you still aren't even using PPR. Weepaws couldn't come up with something original if Jesus himself spoke to him.

;)

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You can make the argument for the kicker, but not the TE, IMHO. There were only 7 TEs last year (non-PPR) that rose to even the level of WR3. Take out the required TE, and a lot less get used.

 

Plus, you've got the Gronk factor. How high are you willing to draft him to get an edge over every other team?

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I'm not willing to draft him .

 

I like to draft TE's late .

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As many as I can roster in my 16 team league that starts 1 TE and has 2 Flex spots. TE gets 1.5 PPR and .12 per receiving yard.

Especially if they might be the next Gronk or J.Graham., Kelce, etc.

 

But yall don't know about stuff like that in your old-style, unoriginal 10 team ESPN leagues where you're still starting 2 RB, 3 TE, no flex and half of you still aren't even using PPR. Weepaws couldn't come up with something original if Jesus himself spoke to him.

;)

I didn't know that there where leagues that start 3 TE's , what happen to the WR postion in those leagues ?

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As many as I can roster in my 16 team league that starts 1 TE and has 2 Flex spots. TE gets 1.5 PPR and .12 per receiving yard.

Especially if they might be the next Gronk or Jimmy Graham.

 

But yall don't know about stuff like that in your old-style, unoriginal 10 team ESPN leagues where you're still starting 2 RB, 3 TE, no flex and half of you still aren't even using PPR.

;)

 

Not even close. My main league is a 24 team .5 PPR league that starts 2RBs, 3WRs, 1TE and 1 Flex. Every year there are only a few TE worth a damn and it sucks. The other guys are just boring. The league is split into two conferences so it's still two12 team drafts but it's different than basic leagues.

 

In a league that awards TEs more points then it makes sense to keep them but I don't care to make the position more important really.

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Disagree. Why not get rid of kickers?

 

I'm just fine with getting rid of kickers. No one worries about drafting kickers. Same with DST. I don't want to get rid of TEs altogether, I just don't feel the need to be forced to draft and start a TE each week. Why not make TE an option?

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As long as it's an individual offensive skill position, I want it incorporated to my fantasy league. This is one step from removing running backs because RBBC takes away the bell-cows.

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Let's separate all the pass catchers. Slot receiver, Z, and X. That way the strategy will go through the roof.

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Let's separate all the pass catchers. Slot receiver, Z, and X. That way the strategy will go through the roof.

It would. People who study more and pay more attention would have an advantage.

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Why do we spend so much time and effort worrying about these type of things?

 

 

 

1) Start a league

 

2) Institute a scoring system that eliminates the TE. Or one that emphasizes the TE. Or whatever gradient of in between these two your little commissioner heart desires.

 

3) Profit.

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Why do we spend so much time and effort worrying about these type of things?

 

 

 

1) Start a league

 

2) Institute a scoring system that eliminates the TE. Or one that emphasizes the TE. Or whatever gradient of in between these two your little commissioner heart desires.

 

3) Profit.

Don't you call my commissioner heart little.

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No I like the TE. I usually end up with one of the breakout TEs every year. Gives me a great advantage and plus I like fielding different positions like that

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I didn't know that there where leagues that start 3 TE's , what happen to the WR postion in those leagues ?

It was obviously a typo.

Most leagues out there are your basic 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE or 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex.

 

I can't see myself ever playing in a league with less than 14 teams with that type of setup after playing in 14+16 team leagues for the last 10ish years with unique scoring.

Auction too. If I like a player I will pay the price to roster him.

Anyone can print out a last minute cheatsheet and snake draft in a simple league. I'd rather play poker... not roulette.

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RBBC as already had an effect in some fantasy leagues , I was in two last year that started just one Rb and added another flex .

 

 

Like the ideal of adding more flex spots and going one starter at Rb .

 

Getting rid of kickers is good also , most leagues I'm in only count long fg as points for kickers .

 

And a 24 team league wow 12 is enough for me .

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I like the idea of accentuating the scoring of TE, to make it additionally strategic to draft a good one. In a perfectly balanced league, it is my opinion that each position should have a chance to vy for highest scoring fantasy player - and that just isn't the case with most league's scoring systems.

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I play in a couple TE premium leagues. One gives a 1.5 ppr bonus to TE, the other gives. .15 per yard. Both are fun and competitive leagues and I dig the scoring wrinkle.

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I play in a couple TE premium leagues. One gives a 1.5 ppr bonus to TE, the other gives. .15 per yard. Both are fun and competitive leagues and I dig the scoring wrinkle.

Since I'm toying with this exact thing as commish, I'm wondering what level of increased TE reward is too much, or about right.

 

I've had a .5pt/rec scoring, with .1pt/yd distance. I'm thinking that the TE should be .75/rec and .15/yd. Anyone have a suggestion?

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