Minimum wage increase is killing restaurants. Great job liberals.

[parrot 789]

As I mentioned, it's tougher to do now that so many people use debit cards instead of cash, but restaurants, food trucks, hot dog stands, ice cream trucks, pizza joints, and of course, casinos are all ripe for skimming.

 

It's also very simple for a manager/owner to void cash transactions in a POS system at the end of the night and skim the cash from those transactions.

 

On the server side, why do you think edjr makes such a fuss about wanting to tip only in cash?

Any POS worth the money tracks voids by the cashier, not to mention time-stamping them as well. Many will even throw up an automatic red flag if a threshold is hit. I suppose an owner could go this route, but any manager who makes this a habit should be found out in short order if the owners are doing and kind of monitoring at all. And the problem with being an owner who doesn't have proper inventory and cash controls in place is you better plan to be there ALL the time or your employees are going to steal you blind. Your inventory is also going to be focked, so again you have no idea what you are selling under the table and what is walking out the door. This all sounds good and easy but the juice isn't worth the squeeze a lot of times in today's computerized business environment.

 

I would agree that servers want cash for tax evasion purposes.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

No need to be there all the time. Every bar has video cameras now.

[parrot 789]

No need to be there all the time. Every bar has video cameras now.

So you can spend your time watching video instead.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

So you can spend your time watching video instead.

No, but it does deter employee theft.

[parrot 789]

No, but it does deter employee theft.

 

It does, but not like a POS that demands that sales, cash, and inventory reconcile at the end of every shift. You catch them with the paperwork and verify it with video. I would much rather try to make more money by having highly efficient systems and controls that greatly limit my exposure to things like employee theft, abuse of house rounds, etc. than have sh!tty systems because I want to be able to commit some level of tax fraud.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

 

It does, but not like a POS that demands that sales, cash, and inventory reconcile at the end of every shift. You catch them with the paperwork and verify it with video. I would much rather try to make more money by having highly efficient systems and controls that greatly limit my exposure to things like employee theft, abuse of house rounds, etc. than have sh!tty systems because I want to be able to commit some level of tax fraud.

It's not just the tax fraud on income. It's also about paying your workers off the books.

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

It does, but not like a POS that demands that sales, cash, and inventory reconcile at the end of every shift. You catch them with the paperwork and verify it with video. I would much rather try to make more money by having highly efficient systems and controls that greatly limit my exposure to things like employee theft, abuse of house rounds, etc. than have sh!tty systems because I want to be able to commit some level of tax fraud.

The piece of the puzzle you're missing is that the restaurant owner is complicit in the tax fraud of each of their employees when they knowingly allow them to under report their tips.

 

The restaurant owner is responsibile for reporting those tips as employee income. When they allow their employees to lie to them, they in turn are lying to the IRS and state treasuries.

 

https://rrgconsulting.com/tip_reporting_article.htm

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

The piece of the puzzle you're missing is that the restaurant owner is complicit in the tax fraud of each of their employees when they knowingly allow them to under report their tips.

 

The restaurant owner is responsibile for reporting those tips as employee income. When they allow their employees to lie to them, they in turn are lying to the IRS and state treasuries.

 

https://rrgconsulting.com/tip_reporting_article.htm

Why wouldn't he? That's less FICA he has to pay. Everyone on that side has incentive to lie.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Do they really have to pay their servers $15/hour on top of the tips they make? Wasn't the point of servers making less than minimum wage to take the burden off of restaurants? It's such a risky business that really does greatly depend on affordable labor. Trust me I am all for labor making a fair wage, but $15/hour to serve seems excessive when combined with tips.

I would assume the tip credit still exists. If they don't make at least $15 an hour in tips, the empliyer must pay the shortfall.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

The piece of the puzzle you're missing is that the restaurant owner is complicit in the tax fraud of each of their employees when they knowingly allow them to under report their tips.

 

The restaurant owner is responsibile for reporting those tips as employee income. When they allow their employees to lie to them, they in turn are lying to the IRS and state treasuries.

 

https://rrgconsulting.com/tip_reporting_article.htm

When I ran a restaurant, I had no idea what they made in tips. They reported it when they clocked out, as it should be. Hell, at our place, credit card tips weren't even reported.

[edjr 5,562]

what happened to knowitallbaby? it's like he suddenly vanished

[edjr 5,562]

Every owner operated bar/restaurant in America is way, way under reporting income. It's a joke.

 

totally.

 

AND the one I have been talking about (2 of them) pay their kitchen help (mostly illegal) under the table. Not 100% under the table, but minimum wage on the books and some under the table.

[edjr 5,562]

No need to be there all the time. Every bar has video cameras now.

 

 

sure they do.

 

you sound like 90sbaby.

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

what happened to knowitallbaby? it's like he suddenly vanished

I was on a train from Warsaw to Kiev yesterday trying to kill time. Also I don't dwell.

[edjr 5,562]

 

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[Cruzer 1,992]

 

 

sure they do.

 

you sound like 90sbaby.

He's been watching to many Undercover Boss episodes.

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

Oh no the village idiot blocked me, what ever will I do?!?

[edjr 5,562]

He's been watching to many Undercover Boss episodes.

 

I rewired a sound system/added a receiver to a restaurant a few weeks ago before they opened for the season.

 

place makes millions. not a single camera anywhere. not even in the office where they count the cash.

 

dumbest owner ever.

[Cruzer 1,992]

 

I rewired a sound system/added a receiver to a restaurant a few weeks ago before they opened for the season.

 

place makes millions. not a single camera anywhere. not even in the office where they count the cash.

 

dumbest owner ever.

Even the places that do have working cameras.. Many of them record over the tape after a day or two.. By the time something is suspected of being awry - it's too late. Those are usually set up for instantaneous events, like robberies and such.

[DankNuggs 305]

 

I rewired a sound system/added a receiver to a restaurant a few weeks ago before they opened for the season.

 

place makes millions. not a single camera anywhere. not even in the office where they count the cash.

 

dumbest owner ever.

Cameras or not if you own a bar or restaurant you are getting skimmed. Awful businesses to manage

[DankNuggs 305]

I was on a train from Warsaw to Kiev yesterday trying to kill time. Also I don't dwell.

Was the kaiser impressed with your marketing jargon?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Okay to recap, people UNDER report their income to the government in regard to tips. However, here people OVER report their income to the bored. I wonder if they pay the taxes on the income reported to the geeks.

[edjr 5,562]

Okay to recap, people UNDER report their income to the government in regard to tips. However, here people OVER report their income to the bored. I wonder if they pay the taxes on the income reported to the geeks.

 

[Baker Boy 1,485]

Seattle’s minimum wage hike hurting low-level workers, study says

 

Seattle's first-in-the-nation $15 per hour minimum wage law is hurting the workers it aimed to help, a new study has found.

 

The working poor are making more per hour but taking home less pay. The University of Washington paper asserts the new wages boosted worker pay by 3 percent, but also resulted in a 9-percent reduction in hours and a $125 cut to the monthly paychecks.

 

The law also cost the city 5,000 jobs, the report said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/26/seattle-s-minimum-wage-hike-hurting-low-level-workers-study-says.html

[tanatastic 2,061]

Way to go. Also, I've worked a couple jobs with tips and never reported and wouldn't even if I was asked to. That's bullshat, I'm lying and stealing all I can if they ask me to report tips.

[Bill E. 666]

Cameras or not if you own a bar or restaurant you are getting skimmed. Awful businesses to manage

A kid I know used to sneak a bottle of liquor into the bar when he was a bartender. Every 3rd drink or so he would pour from his bottle and give customers a drink on the house and never put the drink on the tab.. They would tip him and extra $10-20 a lot of times. It would not screw up inventory and the customers loved him. The owner never caught on to my knowledge.

[jerryskids 5,192]

Seattle’s minimum wage hike hurting low-level workers, study says

 

Seattle's first-in-the-nation $15 per hour minimum wage law is hurting the workers it aimed to help, a new study has found.

 

The working poor are making more per hour but taking home less pay. The University of Washington paper asserts the new wages boosted worker pay by 3 percent, but also resulted in a 9-percent reduction in hours and a $125 cut to the monthly paychecks.

 

The law also cost the city 5,000 jobs, the report said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/26/seattle-s-minimum-wage-hike-hurting-low-level-workers-study-says.html

 

This is where MDC tells us that raising minimum wage can't possibly reduce income. Or that more people died from underreporting tips than from terrorist attacks.

[giraldi02 470]

Might want to wait for further research to be done on this before coming to a definitive conclusion.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ronaldholden/2017/06/26/dueling-studies-come-to-opposite-conclusions-regarding-seattles-15-minimum-wage/

[wiffleball 4,639]

I'm not gonna read through all this nonsense, but I don't know when we became so GD mean.

 

A lot of people I know are (happy if they're) working 2-3 jobs. They're not saving up for Christmas or their annual trip to Disneyland, base rents around here are close to 2 grand. Just run the focking numbers on minimum wage and figure out how THAT works.

 

Used to be, you could do that - it'd be tuff, but doable. Now, it's focking impossible. Then add in all the other expenses of life. I don't know what the hell. And I don't know how it's going to end. Just gets harder every day.

 

So, I'm pissed off at a lot of things in life, but I'm not gonna begrudge someone getting an extra buck an hour while the rich get richer and luckier every GD day. In fact, people that can somehow manage to raise a family, maybe even send some money back home - God Bless 'em. You have my admiration.

[SUXBNME 1,328]

 

So, I'm pissed off at a lot of things in life, but I'm not gonna begrudge someone getting an extra buck an hour while the rich get richer and luckier every GD day. In fact, people that can somehow manage to raise a family, maybe even send some money back home - God Bless 'em. You have my admiration.

So much wrong with this post

.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I'm not gonna read through all this nonsense, but I don't know when we became so GD mean.

 

A lot of people I know are (happy if they're) working 2-3 jobs. They're not saving up for Christmas or their annual trip to Disneyland, base rents around here are close to 2 grand. Just run the focking numbers on minimum wage and figure out how THAT works.

 

Used to be, you could do that - it'd be tuff, but doable. Now, it's focking impossible. Then add in all the other expenses of life. I don't know what the hell. And I don't know how it's going to end. Just gets harder every day.

 

So, I'm pissed off at a lot of things in life, but I'm not gonna begrudge someone getting an extra buck an hour while the rich get richer and luckier every GD day. In fact, people that can somehow manage to raise a family, maybe even send some money back home - God Bless 'em. You have my admiration.

Fock em. These businesses have basically been running with subsidized labor forever. Waitresses via tips, and all of them by virtue of the fact that a huge proportion of full time restaurant workers are also on food stamps or other public assistance. So the taxpayers are footing part of the bill for restaurants payroll.

 

Can't afford to pay your employees decently? Then your business isn't viable. Close the damn doors.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I'm not gonna read through all this nonsense, but I don't know when we became so GD mean.

 

A lot of people I know are (happy if they're) working 2-3 jobs. They're not saving up for Christmas or their annual trip to Disneyland, base rents around here are close to 2 grand. Just run the focking numbers on minimum wage and figure out how THAT works.

 

Used to be, you could do that - it'd be tuff, but doable. Now, it's focking impossible. Then add in all the other expenses of life. I don't know what the hell. And I don't know how it's going to end. Just gets harder every day.

 

So, I'm pissed off at a lot of things in life, but I'm not gonna begrudge someone getting an extra buck an hour while the rich get richer and luckier every GD day. In fact, people that can somehow manage to raise a family, maybe even send some money back home - God Bless 'em. You have my admiration.

Yeah, it's all about luck man. "Those more fortunate" seem to get all the breaks while people getting high, drunk, watching t.v., playing video games or spending their money on new tatoos can't catch a break.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

McDonald’s Stock Skyrockets After Minimum Wage Workers Replaced with Robots

 

McDonald's shares hit an all-time high on Tuesday as Wall Street expects sales to increase from new digital ordering kiosks that will replace cashiers in 2,500 restaurants.

 

Cowen raised its rating on McDonald's shares to outperform from market perform because of the technology upgrades, which are slated for the fast-food chain's restaurants this year.

 

McDonald's shares rallied 26 percent this year through Monday compared to the S&P 500's 10 percent return.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/20/mcdonalds-hits-all-time-high-as-wall-street-cheers-replacement-of-cashiers-with-kiosks.html

[vuduchile 1,941]

Fock em. These businesses have basically been running with subsidized labor forever. Waitresses via tips, and all of them by virtue of the fact that a huge proportion of full time restaurant workers are also on food stamps or other public assistance. So the taxpayers are footing part of the bill for restaurants payroll.

 

Can't afford to pay your employees decently? Then your business isn't viable. Close the damn doors.

Yep

[edjr 5,562]

Fock em. These businesses have basically been running with subsidized labor forever. Waitresses via tips, and all of them by virtue of the fact that a huge proportion of full time restaurant workers are also on food stamps or other public assistance. So the taxpayers are footing part of the bill for restaurants payroll.

 

Can't afford to pay your employees decently? Then your business isn't viable. Close the damn doors.

 

Interesting take.

 

Who even came up with the idea of tipping?

 

my baby momma had a nice $475 double this Saturday. 10:30 till 10

 

Would be taking it in the shorts if she made 15 an hour without tips

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

 

Interesting take.

 

Who even came up with the idea of tipping?

 

Google is your friend: http://www.foodwoolf.com/2010/08/history-of-tipping.html

[parrot 789]

Fock em. These businesses have basically been running with subsidized labor forever. Waitresses via tips, and all of them by virtue of the fact that a huge proportion of full time restaurant workers are also on food stamps or other public assistance. So the taxpayers are footing part of the bill for restaurants payroll.

 

Can't afford to pay your employees decently? Then your business isn't viable. Close the damn doors.

 

And there's also the fact that full time restaurant workers are becoming more rare. One of the unintended consequences of Obamacare was giving employers incentive to keep workers hours below 30 a week.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

Interesting take.

 

Who even came up with the idea of tipping?

 

my baby momma had a nice $475 double this Saturday. 10:30 till 10

 

Would be taking it in the shorts if she made 15 an hour without tips

But people will continue to tip. The bill will be higher so the tip will be more. Win/Win

[edjr 5,562]

But people will continue to tip. The bill will be higher so the tip will be more. Win/Win

 

I don't know if I agree with you.

 

lots of foreigners don't tip. or tip terribly.

[giraldi02 470]

Tipping = 15-30% taxation