Well donald...you gonna have some splainin...

[Sho Nuff 719]

voting to rip health insurance away from 14 million people is a death sentence for reelection for any of those people. They will never be able to get that off of their record

More than that over the years too. That's just by 2018.

And just the initial estimate.

[cyclone24 1,805]

voting to rip health insurance away from 14 million people is a death sentence for reelection for any of those people. They will never be able to get that off of their record

Right but is it "ripping " away healthcare...or is it a case where people wont get healthcare once they are not FORCED to. Im guessing its actually the latter.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

Although gambling for health has a nice ring to it, less than half the states have casinos.

 

really?

 

http://us.casinocity.com/

[penultimatestraw 473]

really?

 

http://us.casinocity.com/

i stand corrected. Still don't think their existence provides enough decent jobs to solve our healthcare problems though.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I'm not defending this but at the sillyness of some suggesting all people want healthcare i.e. all should be forced to have it. The mandate is part of what's driving this repeal of that turd called Obamacare.

 

It goes back to everyone has to enroll, pay higher premiums and very high deductables so the poor will be covered. Sounds socialist to me.

 

Put the poor on Medicare and tell them beggars can't be choosers. To fund it, cut some other social/environmental programs. Or cut foriegn aid.

[MDC 5,878]

The free market has utterly failed when it comes to healthcare. We pay a higher % of GDP than any other country for a system that leaves millions uninsured and is too expensive for the overwhelming majority of Anerican families to buy into unless it is heavily subsidized by their employers. Companies are pushing back more and more of the costs to their workers. Premiums are escalating at an unsustainable rate.

 

It's time to just scrap this system entirely and start over.

[NewbieJr 540]

The free market has utterly failed when it comes to healthcare. We pay a higher % of GDP than any other country for a system that leaves millions uninsured and is too expensive for the overwhelming majority of Anerican families to buy into unless it is heavily subsidized by their employers. Companies are pushing back more and more of the costs to their workers. Premiums are escalating at an unsustainable rate.

 

It's time to just scrap this system entirely and start over.

Greed. Unfortunately, with a system like ours, despite all the great things about it, greed ultimately takes over. And when the richest people have all the power, laws are written to make sure the wealthiest get the most breaks.

[SUXBNME 1,322]

voting to rip health insurance away from 14 million people is a death sentence for reelection for any of those people. They will never be able to get that off of their record

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

While everyone has been focusing on the flaws of the new plan, being overlooked is that the CBO straight says Obamacare isn't in a death spiral and the markets are stabilizing.

 

 

In CBO and JCT’s assessment, however, the nongroup market would probably be stable in most areas under either current law or the legislation.

 

Under current law, most subsidized enrollees purchasing health insurance coverage in the nongroup market are largely insulated from increases in premiums because their out-of-pocket payments for premiums are based on a percentage of their income; the government pays the difference. The subsidies to purchase coverage combined with the penalties paid by uninsured people stemming from the individual mandate are anticipated to cause sufficient demand for insurance by people with low health care expenditures for the market to be stable.

 

[Reality 2,710]

Not a big fan of taking advice from the people that brought us Obamacare.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

The CBO isn't exactly in the middle of a winning streak. Stabilizing? They should after premiums went up at least 25% PCT everywhere. Most businesses do stabilize when they start taking in more money and provide less service. Face it, Obamacare needed to be heavily subsidized to work.

[Reality 2,710]

CBO has proven that it's findings really aren't worth the price of the paper it's written on. I'm actually embarrassed for the people that rely on it.

 

HTH

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

i stand corrected. Still don't think their existence provides enough decent jobs to solve our healthcare problems though.

 

I am not saying it does, however there are jobs in each state, and most casinos offer healthcare. If you are unhappy with minimum wage and no insurance, there are lots of minimum wage with insurance jobs in casinos, and lots you can make tips

 

also at any given time, I can get a job dealing pretty much anywhere. Its a shitty job, but pay is good, and class was affordable and very short. What other job can you take a 3 month class for $1000 approx and make 50k+ a year right out of the gate

[NewbieJr 540]

CBO has proven that it's findings really aren't worth the price of the paper it's written on. I'm actually embarrassed for the people that rely on it.

 

HTH

ROFL

How predictable.

[posty 2,296]

But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it...

[Reality 2,710]

ROFL

How predictable.

Ditto, from the self-proclaimed uninformed.

 

You don't pay attention to any of this stuff, by your own admission, why would I care what you have to say?

 

[NewbieJr 540]

Ditto, from the self-proclaimed uninformed.

 

You don't pay attention to any of this stuff, by your own admission, why would I care what you have to say?

 

I don't care what you, specifically, have to say. But I knew the right, in general, would attack the CBO because they didn't like their findings.

 

While not perfect, the CBO is the closest thing we have to predicting the impact a bill like this will have. They said that 14 million would lose insurance immediately. Another independent study came up with 16 million. So Trump and his sheep can treat the CBO like they do the media and anything else that won't lie to protect them. But their findings drove the final nail in the coffin. Too bad, so sad.

[Bert 1,087]

14 million equals what 4% of the population?

[NewbieJr 540]

14 million equals what 4% of the population?

It equals 14 million human beings who are American citizens.

 

That's 14 million citizens who might get cancer. 14 million parents whose child might have a disease that requires expensive medicines or therapy. 14 million people whose kid might break his leg playing pee wee football. Real people.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

It equals 14 million human beings who are American citizens.

 

That's 14 million citizens who might get cancer. 14 million parents whose child might have a disease that requires expensive medicines or therapy. 14 million people whose kid might break his leg playing pee wee football. Real people.

Why don't you join Obamacare? After all, one of the big problems with it is that not enough people joined. What are you waiting for?

[Bert 1,087]

It equals 14 million human beings who are American citizens.

 

That's 14 million citizens who might get cancer. 14 million parents whose child might have a disease that requires expensive medicines or therapy. 14 million people whose kid might break his leg playing pee wee football. Real people.

It was a yes or no question but I'll play your little game. 14 million cigarette smokers, 14 million overweight people who don't eat right. Real people.

[Cruzer 1,992]

14 million equals what 4% of the population?

Interesting number, can be dressed up many ways.

 

* 14 million uninsured? Pfft, that's what - barely 4% of the population? Ho-hum.....

 

* Dear Gawd, there are 14 freaking illegals running wild and rampant thru the streets here - it's out of control!!!

[MDC 5,878]

Obummercare sucks because it failed to address the biggest problem with healthcare: Very few Americans can afford to buy it in the open market and costs are escalating at an unsustainable rate.

 

Unfortunately Republicans think repealing the ACA is somehow going to fix these problems. Along with tort reform and selling insurance across state lines, their other favorite pet rocks. I almost can't wait for the GOP to ramrod it's healthcare plan through so we can all see it does nothing to expand coverage or reduce costs.

 

Of course that will be Obummer's fault too.

[NewbieJr 540]

Why don't you join Obamacare? After all, one of the big problems with it is that not enough people joined. What are you waiting for?

If I lose my job or my company stops offering it, I will. Duh

[Bert 1,087]

Interesting number, can be dressed up many ways.

 

* 14 million uninsured? Pfft, that's what, barely 4% of the population? Ho-hum.....

 

* Dear Gawd, there are 14 freaking illegals running wild and rampant thru the streets here - it's out of control!!!

Amen! AAAAAAmen!

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

Obamacare is Obamas fault.

[NewbieJr 540]

It was a yes or no question but I'll play your little game. 14 million cigarette smokers, 14 million overweight people who don't eat right. Real people.

Yup. I'm sure there are smokers and fatties in that 14 million. Just as there are in the other 300 million. Fun game.

[Bert 1,087]

Obummercare sucks because it failed to address the biggest problem with healthcare: Very few Americans can afford to buy it in the open market and costs are escalating at an unsustainable rate.

 

Unfortunately Republicans think repealing the ACA is somehow going to fix these problems. Along with tort reform and selling insurance across state lines, their other favorite pet rocks. I almost can't wait for the GOP to ramrod it's healthcare plan through so we can all see it does nothing to expand coverage or reduce costs.

 

Of course that will be Obummer's fault too.

The GOP plan is the same pig with different colored lip stick.

[NewbieJr 540]

Obamacare is Obamas fault.

And Republicans had eight years to come up with something better and have choked on it. In the words of our amazingly intelligent leader, healthcare is more complicated than he thought. D'oh!

[Bert 1,087]

Yup. I'm sure there are smokers and fatties in that 14 million. Just as there are in the other 300 million. Fun game.

You have a weird sense of fun. I am glad you like the game you started.

[NewbieJr 540]

You have a weird sense of fun. I am glad you like the game you started.

Why didn't you respond to Cruzer's post about 14 million illegals? lol Suddenly that's a big number?

[Bert 1,087]

Why didn't you respond to Cruzer's post about 14 million illegals? lol Suddenly that's a big number?

I did respond and I agreed. People should not be freaking out about either one.

[MDC 5,878]

The GOP plan is the same pig with different colored lip stick.

Yep. One party has bad solutions, the other doesn't think there's a problem. Time to blow it up and start over.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

Why didn't you respond to Cruzer's post about 14 million illegals? lol Suddenly that's a big number?

Cruzers correlary is stupid. Someone being uninsured isn't driving wages down, crowding our shools or committing crimes.

[Cruzer 1,992]

In all seriousness - what's the latest on going after the pharmaceutical companies? I know Trump said that was one of his things to do.. Those costs have got to get under control - they are one of the main cogs killing the healthcare system.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/14/pelosis-obamacare-tweet-gets-unintended-response.html

[NewbieJr 540]

Cruzers correlary is stupid. Someone being uninsured isn't driving wages down, crowding our shools or committing crimes.

lol. Committing crimes. Because Mexicans are rapists, right? LOL there are a lot of positives that illegals do. Jobs that you and I would think are below us.

[NewbieJr 540]

In all seriousness - what's the latest on going after the pharmaceutical companies? I know Trump said that was one of his things to do.. Those costs have got to get under control - they are one of the main cogs killing the healthcare system.

everyone is afraid to address the greed in the pharmaceutical and medical fields. And that's actually the root of all the problems

[Cruzer 1,992]

LOL there are a lot of positives that illegals do. Jobs that you and I would think are below us.

Not to mention the billions and billions they feed back into the state sales tax base.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

lol. Committing crimes. Because Mexicans are rapists, right? LOL there are a lot of positives that illegals do. Jobs that you and I would think are below us.

Yes there are, and I have no issue giving those people performing those jobs a work visa and protections that all American workers are entitled too. After they are screened and documented. 15% of federal prisoners are Mexican citizens. Sorry if you don't like that, but it happens to be true. California prisons are much worse.