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#1 BunnysBastatrds

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:46 PM

Sixteen year old. He had suicdal thoughts a week ago. They brought him today to get counseling by doctors orders.. Didn't like what he heard and asked to go to the bathroom. He ran to the sixth floor of the parking garage where his moms car was parked. Couldn't get in because the car was locked and decided to jump.

Fawking tragic. My good friend is inconsolable. I can't imagine.

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#2 titans&bucs&bearsohmy!

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:48 PM

Christ. Thats terrible.

Thats gotta be a reputation hit for the doc. Had a patient commit suicide mid session and all n

#3 vuduchile

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:50 PM

Damn.
Sorry man

#4 IGotWorms

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:52 PM

Did he stick the landing?

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:52 PM

Tragic. :(

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:57 PM

6 stories does it? He must have been really committed and went head-first.
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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:58 PM

So, basically it's mom's fault. I mean if she would have parked on the second floor...
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#8 titans&bucs&bearsohmy!

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:04 PM

6 stories does it? He must have been really committed and went head-first.


Hell. A ten foot ladder will do it if you land right. Six stories is pretty damn high.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:10 PM

Are they certain he wasn't doing pull ups?


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:17 PM

Sad,so much for Happy Holidays from now on.


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:23 PM

Hell. A ten foot ladder will do it if you land right. Six stories is pretty damn high.


Had a guy who worked for my company years ago who positioned a ladder in the back of his truck looking at a roof of a church. The ladder slipped. He fell thirty feet and died, was two weeks after Christmas. He sent my daughter the book 'Velvetine Rabbit' as a Christmas present. I never read it to her. Couldn't without crying. He was a good man. We have a box of important keepscapes. That's one of them.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:36 PM

Did he put it on YouTube? Humor is all I got sorry bro

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:44 PM

When I was a teenager, I remember thinking the joy of life simply doesn't outweigh all the stress and BS.  When I was in my 20's and 30's I still felt that way. And now I'm in my 40's married with a kid.... and I still believe that.  Not a depression thing, just a logical pros vs cons thing. I think that's true for most people, yet nobody admits it.

 

This kid saved himself a lot of stress and BS.  Good for him.  :)



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:50 PM

When I was a teenager, I remember thinking the joy of life simply doesn't outweigh all the stress and BS.  When I was in my 20's and 30's I still felt that way. And now I'm in my 40's married with a kid.... and I still believe that.  Not a depression thing, just a logical pros vs cons thing. I think that's true for most people, yet nobody admits it.
 
This kid saved himself a lot of stress and BS.  Good for him.  :)


I have often felt that way. I find you just have to find ways to create your own joy. Hobbies and family and whatever.

My fiancée laughs at me because I am always watching YouTube videos and reading crap about places we are going to travel to, even if it will be months away. She says Im obsessed.

She doesnt seem to get that those breaks are what I look forward to and make the daily bullsh!t matter at all.

I remember back when I lived in America that was part of the problem. Two days off a week? Two weeks vacation a year? Not enough time to live a life. Come home tired everyday, and every day is the same, stretching out to the grave.

When I was 25, I was sitting at my desk and thought... I will be sitting here doing this paperwork damn near every day until I die. Sent chills down my spine then and still would.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:54 PM

When I was a teenager, I remember thinking the joy of life simply doesn't outweigh all the stress and BS.  When I was in my 20's and 30's I still felt that way. And now I'm in my 40's married with a kid.... and I still believe that.  Not a depression thing, just a logical pros vs cons thing. I think that's true for most people, yet nobody admits it.
 
This kid saved himself a lot of stress and BS.  Good for him.  :)


Sorry to hear thats your perspective man. It doesnt have to be that way though.

Joy can be elusive, but maybe if you took a step back, you might discover theres more joy in your life than you thought.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:59 PM

When I was a teenager, I remember thinking the joy of life simply doesn't outweigh all the stress and BS.  When I was in my 20's and 30's I still felt that way. And now I'm in my 40's married with a kid.... and I still believe that.  Not a depression thing, just a logical pros vs cons thing. I think that's true for most people, yet nobody admits it.
 
This kid saved himself a lot of stress and BS.  Good for him.  :)

While I can understand feeling that way some of the time, you need to change something if that is regularly your outlook. Like Titans said, you often need to create joy in your life. Hopefully you can find something that does so for you and your family.

If you havent done so already, I would also strongly recommend seeing a therapist.

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:06 AM

Christ. Thats terrible.
Thats gotta be a reputation hit for the doc. Had a patient commit suicide mid session and all n

We had suicidal patient at our hospital, who also had uncontrolled health problems that required a bed on the medical ward. Had a suicide sitter in his room at all times. While being interviewed by a medical resident, he ran out of the room, past the sitter and dived off the 9th floor balcony to his death. Needless to say, the quality of sitters was under intense scrutiny thereafter, and nets were installed outside all areas where jumping was possible.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:12 AM

We had suicidal patient at our hospital, who also had uncontrolled health problems that required a bed on the medical ward. Had a suicide sitter in his room at all times. While being interviewed by a medical resident, he ran out of the room, past the sitter and dove off the 9th floor balcony to his death. Needless to say, there quality of sitters was under intense scrutiny thereafter, and nets were installed outside all areas where jumping was possible.

Why?

We have people like rholio, fighting to live another day, hoping they can make it to Christmas. Let's do all we can for those people.

People who choose to give up should be allowed to do so.

ETA: that came off a little more harsh than intended but I hope the point was driven home.

#19 vuduchile

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:15 AM

Why?

We have people like rholio, fighting to live another day, hoping they can make it to Christmas. Let's do all we can for those people.

People who choose to give up should be allowed to do so.


Logical maybe. But still twisted.

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:23 AM

Why?

We have people like rholio, fighting to live another day, hoping they can make it to Christmas. Let's do all we can for those people.

People who choose to give up should be allowed to do so.

It's an interesting philosophical question. I guess it depends how rational you believe it is to "give up" in the face of one's problems, including terminal disease, versus hopelessness due to treatable mental illness. I'm all for dignity with dying in the face of metastatic cancer, for example, but less supportive of letting people off themselves in response to a temporary stressor like divorce, or untreated depression. Do you think suicide should be permitted under any circumstances?



#21 5-Points

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:24 AM

Logical maybe. But still twisted.

Agreed.

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:37 AM

It's an interesting philosophical question. I guess it depends how rational you believe it is to "give up" in the face of one's problems, including terminal disease, versus hopelessness is due to treatable mental illness. I'm all for dignity with dying in the face of metastatic cancer, for example, but less supportive of letting people off themselves in response to a temporary stressor like divorce, or untreated depression. Do you think suicide should be permitted under any circumstances?

I'm honestly conflicted. None of us asked to be born. Some of us aren't built to deal with the realities of life, be they physical or mental.

I would hate to think that somebody would choose to end their life over something trivial but if that is what they choose to do, isnt that indicative of a deeper, more serious, mental issue?

If so, is society better off letting them go?

#23 penultimatestraw

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:54 AM

I'm honestly conflicted. None of us asked to be born. Some of us aren't built to deal with the realities of life, be they physical or mental.

I would hate to think that somebody would choose to end their life over something trivial but if that is what they choose to do, isnt that indicative of a deeper, more serious, mental issue?

If so, is society better off letting them go?

Trivial is in the eye of the beholder. Teens in particular are notorious for blowing a "crisis" out of proportion. Excluding terminal medical illness, it is generally considered "crazy" to contemplate suicide. But can one's living conditions be so objectively terrible that we should let them kill themselves? And why should the suffering associated with cancer be an acceptable reason to "give up", while a lifetime of depression or anxiety isn't?

 

Gobbledog doesn't admit to being suicidal, but his outlook on life is pretty grim. We have no idea of his individual circumstances, though his statement about "all the stress and bs" outweighing the joy of life for "most people" leads me to believe he could benefit from counseling.  



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:19 AM

Trivial is in the eye of the beholder. Teens in particular are notorious for blowing a "crisis" out of proportion. Excluding terminal medical illness, it is generally considered "crazy" to contemplate suicide. But can one's living conditions be so objectively terrible that we should let them kill themselves? And why should the suffering associated with cancer be an acceptable reason to "give up", while a lifetime of depression or anxiety isn't?
 
Gobbledog doesn't admit to being suicidal, but his outlook on life is pretty grim. We have no idea of his individual circumstances, though his statement about "all the stress and bs" outweighing the joy of life for "most people" leads me to believe he could benefit from counseling.  

Agreed, triviality is subjective.

However, anything less than a terminal illness, we can all agree, is by comparison, trivial.

I have close personal relationships with people who attempted suicide, who should not have and people who never attempted suicide, who should have.

I don't know Gobbledog's story. Thought he was always fishing. How can you be down on life when you have a wet line?

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:30 AM

My friend's daughter was arrested for possession of meth a few weeks ago. Their relationship had gone downhill and now the parents are hoping she can get into some kind of treatment (she's been unwilling to do so up to this point). Seeing her mugshot was pretty haunting having seen her grow up. Totally unrecognizable.

 

Bunny's friend would love to only be facing their kid's drug problem but others bemoan their kid not getting into a certain college. It's all about perspective.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:52 AM

Agreed, triviality is subjective.

However, anything less than a terminal illness, we can all agree, is by comparison, trivial.

I have close personal relationships with people who attempted suicide, who should not have and people who never attempted suicide, who should have.

I don't know Gobbledog's story. Thought he was always fishing. How can you be down on life when you have a wet line?

The nature of depression often has nothing to do with one's external circumstances. I had a girlfriend (34B) in med school with depression - beautiful, smart and otherwise healthy.  Aside from dating me, she seemed to have everything going for her. Sure med school is stressful, but everyone deals with stress on a daily basis in one way or another. But she didn't see things that way. No matter how well she did or how things were going, she described a dark cloud hanging over her.

 

Without obvious provocation, she attempted suicide and was involuntarily hospitalized. She was treated and released, and as far as I know, is currently a practicing physician, successful by most people's standards. I'd be surprised if she doesn't still struggle with depression, however.

 

I'll ask again, is a lifetime of depression associated with less suffering than a terminal illness like cancer? At what point does the dark cloud become unbearable?

 

Also, what are the circumstances for the person/people you know who should have committed suicide?



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:55 AM

My friend's daughter was arrested for possession of meth a few weeks ago. Their relationship had gone downhill and now the parents are hoping she can get into some kind of treatment (she's been unwilling to do so up to this point). Seeing her mugshot was pretty haunting having seen her grow up. Totally unrecognizable.

 

Bunny's friend would love to only be facing their kid's drug problem but others bemoan their kid not getting into a certain college. It's all about perspective.

This.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 02:31 AM

The nature of depression often has nothing to do with one's external circumstances. I had a girlfriend (34B) in med school with depression - beautiful, smart and otherwise healthy.  Aside from dating me, she seemed to have everything going for her. Sure med school is stressful, but everyone deals with stress on a daily basis in one way or another. But she didn't see things that way. No matter how well she did or how things were going, she described a dark cloud hanging over her.
 
Without obvious provocation, she attempted suicide and was involuntarily hospitalized. She was treated and released, and as far as I know, is currently a practicing physician, successful by most people's standards. I'd be surprised if she doesn't still struggle with depression, however.
 
I'll ask again, is a lifetime of depression associated with less suffering than a terminal illness like cancer? At what point does the dark cloud become unbearable?
 
Also, what are the circumstances for the person/people you know who should have committed suicide?


Similar experience with law school. They provide free counseling to anyone who wants it, because the stress breaks people.

One girl, a friend of mine, came very very close. She decided it wasnt for her and quit before it got really bad.

Depression is impossible for people who have never had it to understand. It is just a vortex of hopelessness and self loathing that is hard to overcome. First you have to want to overcome it.

And in this instance, the person was a child. Surely we can agree we should protect children from killing themselves?

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 04:13 AM

Suicide is dangerous.


Please seek help if you are depressed.

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#30 Baker Boy

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 04:42 AM

According to the last study done by the American Foundation For Suicide Prevention,[6] in 2014 suicide was the 10th leading cause of death in the US. Moreover, each year 44,193 Americans die by suicide, imposing a cost of $51 billion to the US annually. Other additional facts showed by the study were:[6]

The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals.
Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women.
Women attempt suicide 2x more often than men.
On average, there are 121 suicides per day.
White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2015.
Firearms account for almost 50% of all suicides.
The rate of suicide is highest in middle age—white men in particular.
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Posted 13 December 2017 - 04:43 AM

Horrible
Sorry BB
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Posted 13 December 2017 - 06:41 AM

Sorry to hear this Bunny.  Thoughts and prayers to all involved.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:08 AM

Sorry to hear man.  I can't even imagine what you're friends are going through.  Devastating.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:45 AM

I guess he hit rock bottom.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:49 AM

When I was a teenager, I remember thinking the joy of life simply doesn't outweigh all the stress and BS.  When I was in my 20's and 30's I still felt that way. And now I'm in my 40's married with a kid.... and I still believe that.  Not a depression thing, just a logical pros vs cons thing. I think that's true for most people, yet nobody admits it.

 

This kid saved himself a lot of stress and BS.  Good for him.  :)

Boy I have never felt that way.  I love life, it's all we get.  I am not a believer in God and feel once we are done, that's it.  So I want to enjoy my time here.  THere are so many wonderful things in life..Sure there are sad and depressing ones too, but I don't want it to end.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:55 AM

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:55 AM

Boy I have never felt that way.  I love life, it's all we get.  I am not a believer in God and feel once we are done, that's it.  So I want to enjoy my time here.  THere are so many wonderful things in life..Sure there are sad and depressing ones too, but I don't want it to end.


I think the mistake too many of us make, especially in America, is selling too much of our lives in the pursuit of sh!t that really doesnt make you any happier. Bigger house you dont need, fancy car that doesnt do anything a cheaper car does, designer clothes and trinkets and toys.

And it seems like nobody really has passions anymore. Or even much of a social life. Back in the day it was bowling league and elk club and this and fishing on weekends and whatever. Now everyone just works, watches Netflix, and shambles from chain restaraunt to big box store to buy more sh!t to stuff in their house.

At least thats how I felt when I was doing married suburban American life. It just all seemed so focking pointless and boring.

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 08:20 AM

I think the mistake too many of us make, especially in America, is selling too much of our lives in the pursuit of sh!t that really doesnt make you any happier. Bigger house you dont need, fancy car that doesnt do anything a cheaper car does, designer clothes and trinkets and toys.

And it seems like nobody really has passions anymore. Or even much of a social life. Back in the day it was bowling league and elk club and this and fishing on weekends and whatever. Now everyone just works, watches Netflix, and shambles from chain restaraunt to big box store to buy more sh!t to stuff in their house.

At least thats how I felt when I was doing married suburban American life. It just all seemed so focking pointless and boring.

 

I hear you on this.  We're glorified slaves for the majority of our lives.  Hopefully we save enough so that we can "enjoy retirement."

 

I admit that I'm stuck in the way of life you described above.  Wife and I have gone back and forth on building a new house.  We have no need for more space than we have now.  But I'd like a bigger garage for all the toys.  I'd like a bigger yard so we can have a pool.  The list goes on.  But at the end of the day, we don't need any more than we have now.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 08:26 AM

 

I hear you on this.  We're glorified slaves for the majority of our lives.  Hopefully we save enough so that we can "enjoy retirement."

 

I admit that I'm stuck in the way of life you described above.  Wife and I have gone back and forth on building a new house.  We have no need for more space than we have now.  But I'd like a bigger garage for all the toys.  I'd like a bigger yard so we can have a pool.  The list goes on.  But at the end of the day, we don't need any more than we have now.

This is how my wife thinks and it bugs me.  Saving everything for retirement.  I get that, but I want to enjoy life NOW too...I don't know how long it will last.  


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 08:30 AM

This is how my wife thinks and it bugs me.  Saving everything for retirement.  I get that, but I want to enjoy life NOW too...I don't know how long it will last.  

 

Wife and I have a pretty good balance.  Saving plenty for retirement, but p!ssing away a ton on things that are stupid (financially), but fun.