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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2017/11/22/health-company-fires-69-employees-over-refusal-to-get-flu-shots-report-says.html

 

A Minnesota-based health care company reportedly fired 69 employees who failed to comply with its flu shot mandate by the Nov. 10 deadline. In response to the firings, the Minnesota Nurses Association announced plans to file grievances against Essentia Health on behalf of the terminated employees to regain employment status or recover lost pay, Fox 9 reported.
Some of the nurses claim they filed for exemptions based on religious or medical grounds, but Essentia Health, which counts 15 hospitals and 75 clinics in Minnesota, Idaho, Wisconsin and North Dakota, had previously said it would allow for “very limited medical and religious exemptions,” among its 13,900 employees.
The nurses also claim they had proposed an alternative program that rewards employees for receiving the vaccine rather than punishing those who didn’t, as well as designated sick time for those who suffer adverse reactions from the shot.
“Essentia Health showed nurses they did not intend to bargain with us in good faith,” Steve Strand, co-chair of the MNA bargaining unit, told Fox 9 in a statement. “We tried to sit down with management, but Essentia executives told us they intend to follow through with terminations and mandatory flu shots regardless.”
Dr. Rajesh Prabhu, an infectious disease specialist and Essentia’s chief patient safety officer, told The Star Tribune that while the vaccine is not 100 percent effective, there is a greater need to vaccinate hospital workers who interact with severely ill patients.
“We are working in a different environment,” Prabhu told the news outlet. “We’re taking care of patients. We have a different sort of ethical obligation.”
The Minnesota Department of Health does not have a policy for health care providers regarding the flu shots, but does promote the vaccine for anyone who is at high-risk for influenza or who is around other high-risk individuals.

 

 

Kind of torn with this. If it's part of their employment then I guess they should abide by it but I personally don't agree with the flu shots. I got one 13 or so years ago and immediately got sick. After that I've haven't gotten them and haven't gotten the flu.

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Yeah, tough call.

 

On the one hand I think that it is dumb to not get the shot, especially for people who work in the medical industry.

 

But on the other hand, I don't like the idea of companies mandating medical procedures. And I acknowledge while not completely understanding the religious objections.

 

I'm leaning against the company but can be convinced otherwise. :cheers:

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I dont think its a tough call at all:

 

Youre a medical professional. Youre required to get a flu shot for the safety of the patients you serve. If your religious convictions prevent you from carrying out the duties of your job, you are in the wrong line of work.

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Anyone in the medical field that has more faith in their religion than the science behind the medicine shouldn't be practicing anyways. I have no problem with Durka Durka getting fired.

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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2017/11/22/health-company-fires-69-employees-over-refusal-to-get-flu-shots-report-says.html

 

 

Kind of torn with this. If it's part of their employment then I guess they should abide by it but I personally don't agree with the flu shots. I got one 13 or so years ago and immediately got sick. After that I've haven't gotten them and haven't gotten the flu.

 

The flu shot does not make you sick. You had a coincidental sickness at the time you got the flu shot and made the correlation. The biggest reason you need to get the shot are for the young, elderly, and immunocompromised people you run into that you could spread the flu to if you get it. Ironically enough, that's probably the reason you have not gotten the flu in the past 13 years.

 

Good on the health care company. The last thing you need around people who already have lowered immune system is some idiot nurse spreading the flu.

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48% flu shot even works.

 

never had one.

 

if my employer told me to get one, I would

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Door. Bye. :wave:

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Mandating immunizations for health care workers is fair and reasonable. If that state is a right to work state, then see ya. Of course, it sounds like there is a union involved, which will make this end up being silly.

 

I have had a flu shot the last few years. I get a cold sometimes afterwards, but it has nothing to do with the shot. It just happens to be cold season.

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This apparently is going to become a thing next year at the hospital I work at as well. In the past you could refuse the flu shot but you would have to wear a mask for the entire flu season. Next year you don't get that option. Get the shot or you're gone. Good. I know a few people around here who are so against getting it that they're already talking about looking for new jobs next year. For no religious or medical reasons whatsoever. Just because they're against it or "scared" of it. Those idiots can go pound sand. God people are focking dumb.

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Good enough for the military, good enough for these people.

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Good debate. Hmmm.

Just reading between the lines it seems the company gave the employees ample notice and were clear.

Was this the first year they have done this mandate?

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I've had the flu shot once in my adult life, I've had the flu once in my adult life.. Same year...

 

I'm good.

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Good debate. Hmmm.

Just reading between the lines it seems the company gave the employees ample notice and were clear.

Was this the first year they have done this mandate?

They believe in the sky fairy and therefore get to do whatever the fock they want.

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Its a patient liability for you to not get vaccinated. When you work in healthcare EVERYONE has to get vaccinated. Even the receptionists (at least it has been for everywhere Ive worked). You wouldnt want someone working in healthcare to not practice proper disease prevention. It would be like hiring a fat personal trainer

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The flu shot does not make you sick. You had a coincidental sickness at the time you got the flu shot and made the correlation. The biggest reason you need to get the shot are for the young, elderly, and immunocompromised people you run into that you could spread the flu to if you get it. Ironically enough, that's probably the reason you have not gotten the flu in the past 13 years.

 

Good on the health care company. The last thing you need around people who already have lowered immune system is some idiot nurse spreading the flu.

 

Coincidentally happened within a couple hours of getting shot but I trust you're correct.

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I'm fine with the company policy. Antivax nimrods are resuscitating all sorts of infections due to their beliefs - there's a mumps outbreak in HI right now.

 

Do you get flu shots every year?

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Anyone in the medical field

I refuse. Flu shot is for old , immune suppressed folks. Universal precautions prevent the flu magnitudes better than that dumb azz hit or miss shot.

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I never get sick and have never had the flu shot.

It's fortunate your health will never change. :thumbsup:

 

Seriously though, the flu vaccination recommendation is debatable for young, otherwise healthy individuals. For older, sicker people and those who care for them, the benefit is much clearer.

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There are plenty of stories of other people getting sick from their flu shot. Count me as one of them. Even Healthcare professionals will tell you that you might, but it will be shorter in duration and severity then if you catch the actual flu without the vaccine.

 

Biggest problem is that there are so many different strains of the flu and the vaccine is made up in the spring and early summer long before winter sets in and flu season sets in so they don't know which strain is going to be most prevalent at the time.

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There are plenty of stories of other people getting sick from their flu shot. Count me as one of them. Even Healthcare professionals will tell you that you might, but it will be shorter in duration and severity then if you catch the actual flu without the vaccine.

 

Biggest problem is that there are so many different strains of the flu and the vaccine is made up in the spring and early summer long before winter sets in and flu season sets in so they don't know which strain is going to be most prevalent at the time.

 

Solid post and the reasons why I abstain from getting them.

 

In the rare event I start to get a sniffle, I down some Zicam and it clears up within a day.

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There are plenty of stories of other people getting sick from their flu shot. Count me as one of them. Even Healthcare professionals will tell you that you might, but it will be shorter in duration and severity then if you catch the actual flu without the vaccine.

Biggest problem is that there are so many different strains of the flu and the vaccine is made up in the spring and early summer long before winter sets in and flu season sets in so they don't know which strain is going to be most prevalent at the time.

You can have adverse reactions to the shot which include achy muscles runny nose and low grade fever. But for the version most adults get, you cannot actually get the flu - the vaccine contains viral parts incapable of causing infection.

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You can have adverse reactions to the shot which include achy muscles runny nose and low grade fever. But for the version most adults get, you cannot actually get the flu - the vaccine contains viral parts incapable of causing infection.

True. However, you get the flu mist (I did once and never again) and you actually get sick with the flu. Keep in mind its a watered down version and not as bad as the actual flu but youre putting an actual live virus from that in your body. I got that flu mist a week before I was supposed to report to my duty station which was the cancer ward. Wasnt allowed up there for 2 weeks after I got the mist cause of the chance the patients could catch it

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True. However, you get the flu mist (I did once and never again) and you actually get sick with the flu. Keep in mind its a watered down version and not as bad as the actual flu but youre putting an actual live virus from that in your body. I got that flu mist a week before I was supposed to report to my duty station which was the cancer ward. Wasnt allowed up there for 2 weeks after I got the mist cause of the chance the patients could catch it

Nah, it's the same deal as with the shots. You can have symptoms from adverse reactions or coincidental illness, but the attenuated strain in FluMist shouldn't cause flu unless you are severely immunocompromised.

FluMist Quadrivalent contains attenuated viral strains in which the disease-causing properties were modified so as not to cause influenza-like illness (ILI). The virus strains are temperature-sensitive, so they have restricted replication at temperatures at which many wild-type influenza viruses grow efficiently.1 The odds of reversion to wild-type influenza are 1 in 100 quintillion replication cycles (1 x 1020 replication cycles). This would take more than 1,000 years to happen.2-4

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Nah, it's the same deal as with the shots. You can have symptoms from adverse reactions or coincidental illness, but the attenuated strain in FluMist shouldn't cause flu unless you are severely immunocompromised.

 

I believe that my daughter with Type 1 isn't supposed to get the mist, but since that diabetes originates as an immuno issue, that may fit your definition. :dunno:

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Nah, it's the same deal as with the shots. You can have symptoms from adverse reactions or coincidental illness, but the attenuated strain in FluMist shouldn't cause flu unless you are severely immunocompromised.

Not according to the doctors on the cancer ward I worked at. According to them the mist we got was a live virus and no one who works up there can get that. They need to get thone injection with the inactive virus. So I believe them over you. Especially since I got sick after I got the mist. Not real bad but enough to be irritated over it. So did tons of my classmates who got the mist. Sorry bud

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It's fortunate your health will never change. :thumbsup:

 

Seriously though, the flu vaccination recommendation is debatable for young, otherwise healthy individuals. For older, sicker people and those who care for them, the benefit is much clearer.

Never said I was against it exactly. Even tho it seems hit or miss many years. I just have a great immune system and havent been sick in 6 or 7 years. So I wont bother.

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Not according to the doctors on the cancer ward I worked at. According to them the mist we got was a live virus and no one who works up there can get that. They need to get thone injection with the inactive virus. So I believe them over you. Especially since I got sick after I got the mist. Not real bad but enough to be irritated over it. So did tons of my classmates who got the mist. Sorry bud

If you work around severely immunocompromised patients (like bone marrow transplant receipts to/leukemics) you theoretically may shed the weakened (live attenuated) virus after receiving FluMist. But as an immunocompetent individual you will not get the flu from it. To my knowledge, there has never been a definitive case of influenza caused by any version of the vaccine.

 

As an aside, cancer doctors are frequently at odds with infectious disease physicians. They tend overprescribe antibiotics, thinking they are helping their patients by erring on the side of caution. In reality, they may be doing more harm than good.

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If you work around severely immunocompromised patients (like bone marrow transplant receipts to/leukemics) you theoretically may shed the weakened (live attenuated) virus after receiving FluMist. But as an immunocompetent individual you will not get the flu from it. To my knowledge, there has never been a definitive case of influenza caused by any version of the vaccine.

 

As an aside, cancer doctors are frequently at odds with infectious disease physicians. They tend overprescribe antibiotics, thinking they are helping their patients by erring on the side of caution. In reality, they may be doing more harm than good.

Thats completely different from what you just said but I wont get into that. Happy thanksgiving bro

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Thats completely different from what you just said but I wont get into that. Happy thanksgiving bro

Its exactly what I said earlier: you won’t get the flu from FluMist, unless you are severely immunocompromised (even then, it is really a theoretical concern because vaccine-related flu has never been documented). The cancer docs are protecting their patient from that remote, theoretical possibility.

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Its exactly what I said earlier: you wont get the flu from FluMist, unless you are severely immunocompromised (even then, it is really a theoretical concern because vaccine-related flu has never been documented). The cancer docs are protecting their patient from that remote, theoretical possibility.

You get sick from the mist. That is a fact. It is a live virus. That is a fact. You wont get the full blown flu but you get flu like symptoms from it. You insinuated you dont get sick at all and few people experience the adverse affects from it when thats not true. Over 90% got sick (rough estimate but I KNOW almost everyone that got the flu mist got sick).

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You get sick from the mist. That is a fact. It is a live virus. That is a fact. You wont get the full blown flu but you get flu like symptoms from it. You insinuated you dont get sick at all and few people experience the adverse affects from it when thats not true. Over 90% got sick (rough estimate but I KNOW almost everyone that got the flu mist got sick).

This is what I said:

Nah, it's the same deal as with the shots. You can have symptoms from adverse reactions or coincidental illness, but the attenuated strain in FluMist shouldn't cause flu unless you are severely immunocompromised.

Not sure how to improve your reading comprehension, but Im certain no where near 90% of people receiving FluMist experience adverse effects from the vaccine.

 

And it is a live, attenuated virus in FluMist. ETA From the package insert:

 

------------------------------ADVERSE REACTIONS-------------------------------The most common solicited adverse reactions (≥ 10% in vaccine recipients and at least 5% greater than in placebo recipients) reported after FluMist were runny nose or nasal congestion (ages 2 years through 49 years), fever over 100°F (children ages 2 years through 6 years), and sore throat (adults ages 18 years through 49 years). Among children and adolescents 2 through 17 years of age who received FluMist Quadrivalent, 32% reported runny nose or nasal congestion and 7% reported fever over 100°F. Among adults 18 through 49 years of age who received FluMist Quadrivalent, 44% reported runny nose or nasal congestion and 19% reported sore throat. (6.1)

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You get sick from the mist. That is a fact. It is a live virus. That is a fact. You wont get the full blown flu but you get flu like symptoms from it. You insinuated you dont get sick at all and few people experience the adverse affects from it when thats not true. Over 90% got sick (rough estimate but I KNOW almost everyone that got the flu mist got sick).

Sorry Pen, I gotta side with Digby on this one. 90% is a big number scientifically speaking and stuff.

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And he KNOWS almost everybody gets the flu from it.

Flu like symptoms bro. Try and keep up

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Neve had the Flu, neve had a Flu shot - they even come to our office and our insurance pays for it.

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